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macOS 27 Will Mark the End of an Era
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veggiespam
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The whole Liquid Glass thing is why my current MacBook Pro M1-Pro isn't updated to macOS 26. With rumors of Apple toning-down the appearance, I would love to move to macOS 27 - I just hope it is supported on my older Apple Silicon as I'm approaching the end of the 5-year support window. I think it was discontinued in Jan 2023, so there is hope.
Well, the Hackintosh enthusiast community did it because they could and - to their immense kudos - created and shared a bunch of tools that made it fairly easy for others to follow. Hackintoshes were strictly for people who might otherwise have built their own PCs - and anybody offering pre-built hackintoshes was asking to be sued back into the stone age.
I set up a Hackintosh ~2017 and used it for a while, when I wanted to shift from a MacBook to a desktop at a time when Apple really weren't offering any attractive headless desktops. Setup & choice of compatible hardware wasn't noticeably worse than Linux, and the result was a half-decent machine considering I was reusing a less-than-cutting-edge processor. Had a few glitches with software updates - but then even Apple doesn't guarantee against that.
I then considered buying new hardware for an updated Hackintosh, but eneded up giving in and buying iMac... and to be honest that wasn't based on any problems I'd actually found, but more the worry that Apple could slam the door on Hackintosh with the next software update. Apple were never going to invoke the Streisand Effect by setting the cops on individual Hackintosh users for license breaches, but they could have shut it down on a whim, and people really shouldn't be using unlicensed software for professional purposes.
Versus Linux? I needed to run MS Office (by necessity more than choice) and various applications only available for Mac or Windows - and running Windows software on linux is no less touch-and-go than running a hackintosh. Also, Linux is rock solid under the hood, but doesn't really know how to do graphical user interfaces.
surfzen21
macrumors 65816
I cannot believe my 2010 MBP will not be able to run MacOS 27.
nickf
macrumors regular
Rosetta 2 is being deprecated in macOS 28, right? There's still 18 months or so before those old X86 apps and games break*.
*although some games will continue to work, but Apple are being as clear as mud about this at present.
losthismarbles
macrumors regular
Respected, 100%
As an opinion.
If we were to approach this factually, a booold, bold overstatement.
Like i said, people gonna people(tm) and it's O.K.
Just my opinion, knowing what i know, which (if you think OSX is "bestest"), may be more than others do 🙂
Hajj.david
macrumors 6502a
Linux is a poor user experience that involves constantly looking up how to do things and dealing with open source garbage software maintained by some dude in his basement for the last 37 years. A Hackintosh if you follow a guide and have the right hardware is a very straightforward experience and even if there is difficultly its in the beginning while linux is constantly a headache.
But again with a mac I can run real professional apps, not hobby poorly cobbled together apps. So plus personally that is one of the motivations for me to eventually get a mac, I had largely compatible hardware and so I made it a hackintosh and the rest is history I am now. All in on macOS with actual mac hardware now.
EDIT:
I run my small business from my house and I have several servers some are very old mac minis (2014s) running in a production environment so I had to install Ubuntu server on them to maintain security and for auditing purposes. I also have some M4 mac minis running macOS as a server. I have lots of experience with both. Linux is fantastic for servers but really horrible for a desktop experience unless you really enjoy tinkering and constantly fixing your stuff.
I used to work in IT and now I am a senior software engineer the last thing I want to do when I get home is tinker with anything my stuff just needs to "work". For servers linux is great because its very minimal overhead (1 of my mac mini servers only has 4 gb of RAM) and it will run basically forever with almost no need to ever restart except a major patch/OS upgrade.
macOS (being UNIX and all) is also great for servers but definitely not as lean as linux. Which is fine for the M4s because the hardware is so overpowered that a UI is nothing.
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I mean, this same thing happened with OS X back in the day too when they finally dropped Rosetta support for when they transitioned from PowerPC to Intel
switz
Contributor
One would be really surprised how many of current Mac Store apps require Rosetta to run. It has been five processor models since Intel and folks are still dragging their heels to make their products compliant. The gravy train for older apps will stop when Rosetta gets turned off and while I would miss many of these programs, they were warned to get their programming act together and join our current operating system reality.
No sympathy for the antique programmers who seem to be riding it out to just drop the ball on their customer bases of many years.
No sympathy for the antique programmers who seem to be riding it out to just drop the ball on their customer bases of many years.
FatLouie
macrumors 6502
I wish Apple would get away from the burning desire for yearly releases and go to a two or three-year cycle, whilst fixing bugs along the way.
einsteinbqat
macrumors 6502a
I know, right! And that s0cks! I will have to look for an Acrobat Pro alternative.
I have a perpetual Acrobat 2020 Pro, and it's Intel-based. There are no other perpetual Pro license anymore. What you get now instead of a subscription is a 3-year license at the price that you paid for perpetual back then.
Foxit PDF, UPDF, Wondershare PDF are Chinese
NitroPDF can't interact, create or edit PDF on Mac unless to subscribe; 3-year license doesn't allows you to
PDFGear is completely free for now…, but though based in Singapore it a Chinese company according to Dun & Bradstreet
Need to hunt some more before I decide what to do…
dmr727
macrumors G4
My problem with his comment was the tense. Linux is in a much better place today than it was, say, ten years ago when the Hackintosh community was still sizable.
I would have agreed with him in 2015, but Linux has made great strides in recent years while MacOS (IMO) has regressed.
dwaltwhit
Contributor
Although I may not be able to install the next OS on them, my 2019 MBP and 2019 27” iMac will be just fine for several years to come.
UliBaer
macrumors 6502a
The intel Macs will live on happily on ZorinOS, MX-Linux, LinuxMint, Debian, Fedora, (pick your favorite distribution)!
See here: https://distrowatch.com/
See here: https://distrowatch.com/
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capamac
macrumors 6502a
Linux also quite a bit snappier than macOS.
You're effectively saying "if Tim signs off on a new iMac Pro, I will consider him radical and visionary"
That's... one way to look at it, I guess
Personally, I think making the risky, expensive, long-term bet on in-house silicon is a better example of "radical" and "visionary" thinking than "what if they remade the iMac G4 with modern components"
throAU
macrumors G4
The current intel supporting versions literally are fat binaries, they’re just called “universal binaries” now.
Exactly the same thing as fat binaries were, just renamed for intel/apple silicon support.
In my humble opinion, Apple is making a mistake, a lot of people spent considerable amounts of money on the intel pro mac. They are massively expandable and up gradable. I dual boot Windows and can run that with a nvidia gpu which saves a lot of headaches when developing different programs. I know that Tahoe will be maintained for many years, but, I think Steve Jobs is looking down and shaking his head in disgust.
The kernel is not a fat binary, but libraries and applications are, so in general about 10 GB.
throAU
macrumors G4
Seriously, it’s not that bad. I was a hater, but 26 has enough new features that make the minor ui annoyances worth it.
Things like sending calls direct to voicemail from my mac for instance.
Samplasion
macrumors 6502a
I used to install all kinds of operating systems on an old PC of mine (including various versions of Mac OS X) for no particular reason than it's fun to try stuff out. The higher bar to installing macOS on non-Apple hardware makes the final result all the more satisfying once you do.
In my case, the process was the point.
It's sort of an ultimate video game. Can you bend the hardware/software to your will?
I doubt the Macs will see any speedups from dropping the intel code, at this point they are not running it anyway. But the installer should be much smaller and possibly the disk space required will be smaller.
My desktop is already Linux. The M1 might be going that way too, I'll see how 27 comes out. I do not appreciate blurriness anywhere on screen. I don't care about unified design or artistic trendiness. I want clear easy to read text.
Maybe the Hackintosh crowd can put the Cinnamon desktop on MacOS. 🙂 Personally I find Plasma to be overrated.
There were only a few Intel Macs which were still able to run Tahoe, so for the regular user, this isn't a big change. For the Hackintosh/OCLP-community, however, macOS 27 will really be the end. Still, Sequioa and Tahoe will still receive security updates for 2 or 3 years at least, and many Intel Macs remain perfectly usable.