Pros want CUDA cores. Simple as that. As for the Radeons in the new Mac Pro, just look at the crappy 580x cards that come with the base configuration. Lousy isn’t the word.
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Well, I just thought there was a .001% chance the Mac Pro would come out under the Mojave period. I'm not bitching about it either way.
Except that it is not. This is a thermally throttled intentionally non-upgradeable system that Apple wants us to buy so we have to buy another on in a few years.
The specs page lists Mojave, not Catalina. Interpret how you wish
Holy crap! I hadnt noticed that. Hmmmm
It absolutely is piracy, but at the same time it has historically benefited Apple. It expanded their ecosystem to include people who otherwise would not have bought a Mac... these people undoubtedly paid for software maid for a mac, or bought other Apple products because of it.
If Apple really wanted to become a services company, I would imagine they would make a killing making macOS available as a service to people savvy enough to know how to install an operating system, though it might end their mac business... but it wasn't that long ago Apple didn't seem to care about that part of their business anyways.
Looks like I was wrong...I didn’t mean to imply you were bitching, I apologize that you read it that way, as it was not my intention.
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But look at the post right above these, looks like the mac pro may indeed come with mojave installed!
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Probably the best course of action to ensure that some buy a Mac Pro who do have those old legacy apps and such, better to have one last release of Mojave that runs on the Mac Pro than to leave money on the table, which Tim Cook is not known for ever doing.
Well personally, the option to run mojave on what will be the most amazing intel mac ever created (before they go to ARM) would be an absolutely fabulous development.
I wouldnt buy one this year, but down the road I am certainly likely to pick up a 2019 mac pro from the apple refurb store.
If it is able to rum mojave that will all but guarantee I’ll buy it at some point
Define a few years...I have a Late 2013 27” iMac, 32GB, 3.5GHz i7, GTX 780M, 3TB Fusion. It scores 47,850 on Metal (RX560X comparable), 4487 SC, 15263 MC...and does everything I need it to do. If the Fusion bites the dust, I’ll open it up, upgrade the PCIe module to something larger, add a Samsung 860 EVO 2.5” SSD, clean it out, and redo the thermal paste on the CPU and GPU. While I cannot go higher on the CPU or the GPU, they are still competitive, albeit at the low end against a 2019 iMac. I have no problem with it running sustained at its Turbo Boost of 3.9GHz. So, going on 6 years and I have at least 4 more years of useful life out of it.
A core i9 2019 iMac should have a good 10 years of life in it. It’s not thermally throttled intentionally, it simply not allowed to run wild with whatever TDP it wants, given Intel’s complete disregard of TDP.
Not upgradeable? Adding up to a 128GB of DRAM, add a 2.5” SSD internally, upgrade the PCIe SSD (Apple part), who needs a CPU upgrade? Intel routinely only allow two generations per chipset and Comet Lake-S is already being rumored to be moving to a different LGA socket, so if you have the Core i9, you’re out of luck, but something less should be upgradeable to the i9-9900K. The Vega 48 is quite a potent GPU, even if the RX580X isn’t. An eGPU is a potent supplement to the internal GPU.
You will get about the same amount of life from a 2010-2012 Mac Pro as you will from the 2019 iMac. If your needs change drastically during that time, chances are you won’t be upgrading a PC either, but buying a new one, since DRAM, PCIe versions, LGA sockets are different and storage interconnects will have changed. You aren’t gaining that much building a PC, you just think you are.
Not even close.
I don't want an integrated monitor.
Also you are limited in the number of PCIe lanes when you run them over thunderbolt, much less than 8 or 16 lanes per slot. Thunderbolt 3 is 8 lanes.
An expansion chassis for 3 slots is $1k. Also not all cards are supported in Thunderbolt chassis.
I also want a Xeon.
For now I'm better off with a 2008 MacPro for what I need to do.
Apple missed the boat on this one.
First, I assumed he was talking about the iMac Pro... which you can't even add the RAM. (A pro machine that is less upgradable than the consumer version... wtf).
I don't care if its not intentionally thermally throttled... the fact is that it is when you try to get the performance they advertised for any period of time, and they let the board get HOT so they can keep the fans quiet. That decreases the life span of these machines. We have had a few iMac and almost all of them had to be repaired because of something going out. I don't think this is a coincidence. And none of them lasted us 10 years...
Graphics cards are updated yearly... and external graphics cards are not the same, especially if you are using that internal monitor.
Probably that's the reason why they made the base config so expensive, because you no longer need to go back to Apple in order to buy the upgrade. You could buy a new CPU from Intel, you could buy a new GPU from AMD, you could buy the RAM from the vendor directly, and so on. Therefore, you have to pay the Apple tax up front. Whether that's a good decision is a different story.
The specs page lists Mojave, not Catalina. Interpret how you wish
Makes sense. The website said it’ll ship (or at least be available for order) in September, but macOS updates tend not to ship until October.
So it’ll probably come with 10.14.6 (possibly a special build), offering the upgrade just a few weeks later.
No, you don't want a hackintosh. The amount of time spent on trying to make it work equates to a free Mac Pro if you were to work at a semi decent job instead.
Im not sure it will work. It might require the Mac Pro logic board.
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That’s absolutely untrue. I had a working hackintosh after one night of setup and it hasn’t worked flawlessly for over a year. When you pick the right hardware and read up on what you’re doing ahead of time, it’s really not difficult.
It's funny but when you look back on the trashcan, you realise what Apple did was a mini ITX build, which is all the rage today. From all the rage talk about the new Mac Pro - it sounds like people actually still want a trashcan - a mini ITX Mac.
If they actually updated it and rebranded it as perhaps, just a 'Mac', for cheaper, and with actual upgrade-ability - CPU, RAM, GPU and Storage - it would fly of the shelves.
If they actually updated it and rebranded it as perhaps, just a 'Mac', for cheaper, and with actual upgrade-ability - CPU, RAM, GPU and Storage - it would fly of the shelves.
Eliminating 4-5 slots from the logic board saves Apple maybe $3 in parts. A lower wattage power supply might save $10-20 and a slightly smaller case maybe $30-40 in materials. Nothing about a cut-down Pro eliminates enough cost to cut anywhere near $3,000 from the price. From strictly a reduced-BOM standpoint it’s maybe a $5,700-5,800 machine.
In addition, it would reduce sales of the larger Mac Pro, and add costs to R&D, non-recurring engineering, sustaining engineering, manufacturing, QA, support and other departments.
It’s a loser, and will _never_ happen. It makes zero sense from Apple’s POV. Any pro who might prefer to buy a 3- or 4-slot machine can also have their compute requirements met by the 8-slot MP. I doubt there’s enough Mac Pro demand to support two models, and if there’s only going to be one model, better for it to be the 8-slot since it also accommodates those customers who might only require 2, 3, 4, or any lesser number of slots.
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The problem is all the crap you don't want. Closed system, not proper ventilation, hard to clean, overheating chips. ideally if they don't want to add pcie slots and stick with just a motherboard then make a Mac mini in a Cube style chassis to give heat dispersion a priority and allow for chip replacements. then use the TB3 with cheaper pcie expansion. call it the Mac.
You seem to be vastly overestimating how many people in 2019 still buy a desktop.
Damn you Apple for pricing this thing out of my budget.
I love you Apple for building this thing and I want it bad.
Such is the war inside my head. The conflict. I am a Sith Lord after all.
Outrageously. too expensive. What is the justification for a computer priced like Prius - and its made in China not the US.
I am not a pro musician since I don't generate money from it.
I am a professional in another field, but the macs I use for music making.
I am not a professional, but I don't want a toy machine,
but right now, unlike in windows world, you either get a mac mini and Frankenstein it up,
or get an iMac, which in my case don't work since I already have a nice 4k monitor...
so no options for the dreamers like me,
I dream to someday live from my music,
but I have a family to feed so I work as an engineer.
In the meantime,
I cannot justify buying a computer that starts at 6,000 just to follow my dream...
So yes, if you are a professional that requires a mac pro, and it will pay itself with that work, good for you!
BUT, remember when you started,
and remember that someone younger is starting right now.
You can bet your mac pro that some of those upcoming pros would be 10x better at whatever you do,
and I bet you they are making all they can with as little as they have, that is how life works!
I am a professional in another field, but the macs I use for music making.
I am not a professional, but I don't want a toy machine,
but right now, unlike in windows world, you either get a mac mini and Frankenstein it up,
or get an iMac, which in my case don't work since I already have a nice 4k monitor...
so no options for the dreamers like me,
I dream to someday live from my music,
but I have a family to feed so I work as an engineer.
In the meantime,
I cannot justify buying a computer that starts at 6,000 just to follow my dream...
So yes, if you are a professional that requires a mac pro, and it will pay itself with that work, good for you!
BUT, remember when you started,
and remember that someone younger is starting right now.
You can bet your mac pro that some of those upcoming pros would be 10x better at whatever you do,
and I bet you they are making all they can with as little as they have, that is how life works!
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1. What level Hack have got that even comes close to the performance of even the base level? I’ve built a number of i7 based units and while performance is great, it is not in MP territory.
2. How many hours do you have to waste each year keeping the Hack able to work with updates to MacOS and tweaking so bits work?
3. Compare the price of the MP to ANY TRULY competitive offering and it’s actually very reasonable
4. Do you seriously want to compare a cobbled together effort in a black or beige box to a MP
5. Apple licensed the OS in the 90’s and all it did was foster a race to be cheapest with mediocre equipment - i.e. exactly what the Win market is. That’s not thinking different - just thinking dumb.
6. NVIDIA were on Apple equipment and refused to bear the cost of all the dud video cards. They said screw you Apple and left Apple to bear the cost, so guess Apple has every right to say screw you NVIDIA.
7. Apple has been ‘doomed’ since 2000, 2004, 2007, 2010, 2012...... not one of the pundits has come close to being right. You know something the rest of the world doesn’t?
The problem is Apple has managed to put themselves right in between the tiers Intel and PC makers are doing. If you look at everybody else, the PC tiers are:
-High end desktop/entry workstation: Single socket Core/Xeon E. 1 GPU (1 x16 slot, 1 x4, 1 x1), $2000
-Mid-tier workstation: Single socket Xeon W. 2 GPUs (2 x16, 1 x8, 2 x4), $4000
-High-end workstation: Dual socket Xeon SP. 3 GPUs (5 x16, 3 x4), $8000
I'm writing this on my Xeon SP system because of the heavy memory bandwidth 2 sockets gives you, so the Mac Pro isn't powerful enough. The OP wants a HEDT. The big question is who really wants a Xeon W+.