MacOS memory handling

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Pray tell, why does the Window Server eat RAM like crazy? What does it do with it? How does it benefit me?

It currently keep 14 GB (21%) of cached RAM that is said to be purgeable, that cannot in fact be purged. It is a black hole of wasted RAM.

Evetually, you need to reboot or kill the WS to get back to normal.

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chabig

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As a user, you shouldn't need to concern yourself with memory. That's the job of the operating system. It's more complicated than you think.

But a couple of clues...I see you're running three web browsers, one of which is Chrome. Chrome is notoriously bad with memory. Then you've got Photoshop. I would think the more apps you have open with window content, the more memory WindowServer will use. Still, I don't think you should be concerned because the apps you've got open account for things.

By the way, cached RAM serves a purpose. It's not wasted.
 

Eliott69

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You asked the exact same question in this forum in December 2019. And the answer was the same as chabig gave you now: let the OS manage the memory – macOS is very good at it.
 
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The classic solution: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Even iPhones need restarting from time to time.
 

twintin

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Do you have any particular issue that you think is related to this ?

If not, your only concern should be the memory pressure. As long as it is green you are ok.
 

mariGEMINI

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As a user, you shouldn't need to concern yourself with memory. That's the job of the operating system. It's more complicated than you think.

But a couple of clues...I see you're running three web browsers, one of which is Chrome. Chrome is notoriously bad with memory. Then you've got Photoshop. I would think the more apps you have open with window content, the more memory WindowServer will use. Still, I don't think you should be concerned because the apps you've got open account for things.

By the way, cached RAM serves a purpose. It's not wasted.
CHABIG, I have the same problem but your tackling the solution is kinda slaloming the drift you want and not what the one of the question person needs.
MacDos above is surely asking that because if the RAM runs out, than starts writing on the ROM disk AND it takes away huge amount of time and frustration! .. so the plausible question stands... especially when it is not an APPLICATIONS like MacDos is complaining (where we cannot ask an APPLICATION to be RAM Sensitive?! or can we?) but my problem is that I run 100s general finance/telecom/social/ portals/statistic/trading websites and crazily now, each of them, is reaching the HALFGig average and 1 starting to become not an exception! ...that is nuts! ...

The second question related is: but why when 4years ago I had 8Gig of memory the same 100 websites were just above the need in size (RAM 8 ROM 5). When 2 years I mounted 16 then the same 100 websites went about the 16 in almost no time (RAM 16 ROM 12 average).. Now 1 year ago I got max 32 and here again (RAM 32 ROM 25)!

I am ok that Companies are expanding the websites at very high speed, but it also look like there is constantly a COMPUTER MODEL trick in expansion almost to reach the point that we need to buy another computer, and if we think it is the only spot that Computer Makers can gamble with our wallet giving the fault of an OUTSIDER! The WEB! ahahah
There is something fishy! and if you computer nerds (read it as a bowing compliment!! please! we need you all the time!) cannot figure it out, who can?

Look at my Utility where www.wallstreetitalia.com it is a ONE PAGE web 1GIG ! ahahahahah

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME! God bless your work.

marino

PS: please don't tell me turn off and on ... if not I laugh!! ahahah
 

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CHABIG, I have the same problem but your tackling the solution is kinda slaloming the drift you want and not what the one of the question person needs.
MacDos above is surely asking that because if the RAM runs out, than starts writing on the ROM disk AND it takes away huge amount of time and frustration! .. so the plausible question stands... especially when it is not an APPLICATIONS like MacDos is complaining (where we cannot ask an APPLICATION to be RAM Sensitive?! or can we?) but my problem is that I run 100s general finance/telecom/social/ portals/statistic/trading websites and crazily now, each of them, is reaching the HALFGig average and 1 starting to become not an exception! ...that is nuts! ...

The second question related is: but why when 4years ago I had 8Gig of memory the same 100 websites were just above the need in size (RAM 8 ROM 5). When 2 years I mounted 16 then the same 100 websites went about the 16 in almost no time (RAM 16 ROM 12 average).. Now 1 year ago I got max 32 and here again (RAM 32 ROM 25)!

I am ok that Companies are expanding the websites at very high speed, but it also look like there is constantly a COMPUTER MODEL trick in expansion almost to reach the point that we need to buy another computer, and if we think it is the only spot that Computer Makers can gamble with our wallet giving the fault of an OUTSIDER! The WEB! ahahah
There is something fishy! and if you computer nerds (read it as a bowing compliment!! please! we need you all the time!) cannot figure it out, who can?

Look at my Utility where www.wallstreetitalia.com it is a ONE PAGE web 1GIG ! ahahahahah

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME! God bless your work.

marino

PS: please don't tell me turn off and on ... if not I laugh!! ahahah
If you install 256 GB it WILL utilize all it can for caches and buffers, etc. It's designed that way. As you can see in the graph you posted, memory pressure is fine in your computer. I still don't understand why people want to have memory unused...
 
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Pray tell, why does the Window Server eat RAM like crazy? What does it do with it? How does it benefit me?

It currently keep 14 GB (21%) of cached RAM that is said to be purgeable, that cannot in fact be purged. It is a black hole of wasted RAM.

Evetually, you need to reboot or kill the WS to get back to normal.

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What I have noticed, on my system, is that the size of purgeable memory, as shown in Activity Monitor for WindowServer, does drop. I have seen it go up to several hundred MBs and drop back down to several hundred KBs. So the system does take care of releasing the purgeable memory. What you didn't show is what the memory pressure looked like on your system, that is probably a better indication of what is happening rather that just looking at the size of the purgeable memory.
 
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Honza1

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Pray tell, why does the Window Server eat RAM like crazy? What does it do with it? How does it benefit me?

It currently keep 14 GB (21%) of cached RAM that is said to be purgeable, that cannot in fact be purged. It is a black hole of wasted RAM.

Evetually, you need to reboot or kill the WS to get back to normal.

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I think you are looking at wrong field. You need to look at Real Mem or may be Memory field (one is footprint in RAM, the other is after uncompressing this footprint). Purgeable memory is memory which was used and is left cached "just in case the content there is needed again". If the same content is needed again, it is faster to restore from cache than recreate. Your Mac Mini 2018 system has 64GB of RAM (based on your signature), it can do that without any issues. It has RAM to spare, even with this load... Purgeable means that if needed, it can be purged and used by other applications.
WindowServer using only 1.21 GB of RAM (440MB real physical RAM used) on this loaded system is not unusual and is actually on lower side from what I have seen.
Now, if you want to complain about something really bad, look at your "Macs Fan Control" - if the name is right, all it does is control the fans to you have them faster or slower than what system wants. Why such feature should need 357MB of RAM? Nearly same as your whole WindowControl, which actually does something useful...
 
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mariGEMINI

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If you install 256 GB it WILL utilize all it can for caches and buffers, etc. It's designed that way. As you can see in the graph you posted, memory pressure is fine in your computer. I still don't understand why people want to have memory unused...
Luis .. thank you to kick in ! all can be help in tackling the possible solution, but I think your miss the part that I said "if the RAM runs out, than starts writing on the ROM disk AND it takes away huge amount of time and frustration! .. so the plausible question stands..." .. if you do not experience that on your computer I guess you are dealing with no App that really uses memory because it is so Frustrating to go from quick productive lighting operational speed to waiting a minute to wait an extra website to open up or because even in an email it writes one line sentence in 30 seconds time letter by letter, all BECAUSE, now you realize that it writes on the hard drive instead of using RAM memory which finishes pretty fast anytime you buy a new computer!

So you are saying is cool! .. RAM is done to be used and it chases! BRAVO!
But when RAM is FULL (because of the CACHES!) now it writes on DISK! and that is where all become SLOW!
CAN I limit the amount of chance maybe ?
But all this doesn't make sense with a littler RAM of the previous Desktop which with the same amount of INFO it was maxed out at 8GIG and max 15GIG on the disk!! .. why now it is 32G maxed out and 22 on the disk ! .. IN this way whatever MEM I will add I will have always the same problem after a little time!

I see it as a marketing trick where COMPUTER become Good for 6 months and then all go into this weird helpless mode partially recoverable with a dramatic Turn OFF and ON... but questioning me for the fact that in this Epic times we live of reaching MARS and the moon of PLUTO, it kinda makes me laugh! ...
I am sure that COMPUTER MAKERS solved it for sure! ...but then who will permute anymore a computer every few years!? they will lose so much financial edge!

PS:I do not run any consuming Game but only many Financial Yahoo Websites, some telecom portal, lots of FB pages as I am politically involved with italy, 10 minimal Spreadsheet, 50 jpg pictures to remind me important things ... all this for 32 GIG!! full and 20 written on the Disck! CMONN! (as far as you know, websites sizes are large in a different way respect to the hosting computer? I wonder if somebody as 8 GIG a FB page would be 100MG and for me with 32 it instead be 500MG as you can see in my pic?

sorry to be italian enphatic ! take it as a pushing each other with camaraderie but myself being very grateful for your edge.

thank you again
marino
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Honza1

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Let's try again...
When RAM runs out system will purge the purgeable memory and provide it to process which needs it. This can be done very fast. Also, system keeps some fraction of memory empty, ready to go in any case. My system (16GB RAM) typically holds back about 2GB of RAM for such cases. When it needs more, it will make it available by purging and if that does not work, by compressing memory which has not been needed for some time. Eventuallyswapping it out to swap file. There are some nice descriptions on line about macOS memory management, and it is science... Google it, it is fun read.
Also, no one is ever writing anything to ROM ("Read only memory", not writeable), macOS on your MacMini is writing in SSD swap file. Apple SSDs are very fast - over 1TB/second - faster than RAM was just few years ago. So all that complicated stuff above about marketing tricks, and computer good for 6 months is complete nonsense. Ask those around here who are successfully using their 10 years old systems, with 4Gb RAM and swear by them. People even hack their old systems to get Catalina running on them and it works.
 
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Pray tell, why does the Window Server eat RAM like crazy? What does it do with it? How does it benefit me?

It currently keep 14 GB (21%) of cached RAM that is said to be purgeable, that cannot in fact be purged. It is a black hole of wasted RAM.

Evetually, you need to reboot or kill the WS to get back to normal.

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WindowServer keeps track of all windows (application and system) that need to be displayed and generates them. It does this in 3D space, so it requires a decent amount of RAM and/or Virtual Memory. If you only have integrated graphics, it might require more working space.

Purgeable Memory isn't for the user to purge. If Real Memory becomes full and Virtual Memory space is unavailable, Purgeable Memory can be purged, sections at a time. If Memory Pressure changes away from green, you will likely see such memory purged.

If the machine is not suffering actual performance problems and it is only your perception, you should let the machine continue. Starting again means that you are probably causing performance problems because the stored attributes and conditions of windows have to be re-created.
 

mariGEMINI

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Let's try again...
When RAM runs out system will purge the purgeable memory and provide it to process which needs it. This can be done very fast. Also, system keeps some fraction of memory empty, ready to go in any case. My system (16GB RAM) typically holds back about 2GB of RAM for such cases. When it needs more, it will make it available by purging and if that does not work, by compressing memory which has not been needed for some time. Eventuallyswapping it out to swap file. There are some nice descriptions on line about macOS memory management, and it is science... Google it, it is fun read.
Also, no one is ever writing anything to ROM ("Read only memory", not writeable), macOS on your MacMini is writing in SSD swap file. Apple SSDs are very fast - over 1TB/second - faster than RAM was just few years ago. So all that complicated stuff above about marketing tricks, and computer good for 6 months is complete nonsense. Ask those around here who are successfully using their 10 years old systems, with 4Gb RAM and swear by them. People even hack their old systems to get Catalina running on them and it works.
Thank you PatHonza! ... first sorry to have messed up the ROM acro with the SSD .. but the concept was that one, terminology a disaster, but you understood.

Let me try again!
if I have had 5 MACs and each one after 6 months/1 year they go from being BELOW the full amount of RAM, therefore working FANTASTICALLY, and after a year (or so) they all go above the RAM (as quick as to take a coffee) not once but so many times. And you can justify it as you want with the 4Giga RAM guys running Catalina (very funny ahahah) but the facts STAY, as the RAM memory is full and the SSD writing the possible cause of slow down the system, HEY ! not by speed as it is sold as very quick, but some other complication that tangled the output of speed after few days of normal work.

When you buy a new computer, it starts all the time perfectly and after the usual time roughly, with filling the RAM little by little, and always more and more, and then after a while being always full even before starting working.

I am not an expert like you, but I can make out a statistic that OBLIGEs me to buy a new computer quite too often.
I am sure that there are ways to keep clean and purging so to create space, but I have the feeling that the purge leaves wounds anyway.

It is an observational point of view not based on knowledge but statistical errors (that for sure, it can be sometimes triggered by other variable not included into the considerations).

If the quantity of issues happening with the same process give a negative outcome, and only you Honza, as an expert you know how to clean it properly, BUT I as a consumer I don't, and the issues slow me down, that does not eliminate my reading as a marketing structural way of the Computer Houses to take advantage of their own structure that do not plunge automatically the RAM or the SSN read and slow down the SYSTEM!

Do you remember when computer didn't plurge? and now maybe they fake to plurge, my take not based on technical motivation, but statistical happening, and I apologize for that.

I just turned it off few hours ago ! ..

Is it normal that 10 Websites are 1 GIG big?
HOnza, do you ever have to turn off your computer because it gets stuck and slow? If you answer no, it is because you do not have my needs or you know how to keep it smooth. BUT THE AVERAGE and let say also the MOST 98% of the consumers do not know that procedure, therefore why Apple didn't automated it? maybe because they want to create the problem and the stupid consumer like me need to buy another one?

THANK YOU AGAIN,,
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You write that all 5 Macs you own have that problem. Millions of Mac users do not have that problem. And your Activity Monitor screenshot looks very good – nothing wrong with these figures.

Possible conclusion: you have installed something on all your Macs which is slowing them down.

Also on a side note: you do not need Acrobat Reader on a Mac.
 
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Honza1

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HOnza, do you ever have to turn off your computer because it gets stuck and slow? If you answer no, it is because you do not have my needs or you know how to keep it smooth. BUT THE AVERAGE and let say also the MOST 98% of the consumers do not know that procedure, therefore why Apple didn't automated it? maybe because they want to create the problem and the stupid consumer like me need to buy another one?
I am running four Mac computers in my house now and few at work. None of them is normally restarted for performance reasons, they run all the time or sleep over night. Updates is the most common reason for restart. Typical time between restarts is 30+ days. No memory control software is running, simply plain vanilla macOS memory controls. Earlier experience with memory control software has taught me, that all are simply bad for performance...
Even my old Mac Mini with 6Gb RAM runs for months at time without need to restart. It is not heavily loaded, for sure, but no need to worry about memory. It even runs once in a while Windows in virtual environment, which I find heroic achievement. My "large" system has 16GB of RAM and runs older OSX and Windows in Parallels, at the same time. Memory utilization and responsiveness is stable over time, I reboot it after ~ month just to remember to do it at least sometimes.

There have been some cases when I ended up rebooting macOS for performance reasons in the last 3-4 years. Typically because some application hung so badly, I could not kill it properly. Most typically these were poorly written Apps which use kernel extensions which broke the system or when some networking issue hanged Finder, I needed to reset Bluetooth etc. As far as I can say, none of these were memory issues you are talking about...

Typical consumers I can observe (~ family) have no clue how much memory they have, need, and want. They simply use the computer. When I log into my daughter's Air on those rare occasions she lets me in for maintenance, I am amazed how many Safari windows + many, many Apps at the same time the system can handle. With 8GB RAM. And somehow the thing works just fine, especially for its puny cpu and only 8GB of RAM. She does not complain (= about the computer) which is small miracle as any father of teen daughter will tell you.

Basically, the more you care and try to fight with it, the worse it gets.

But you seem to be set on "Apple is screwing me up"... They are not, at least not on memory management... But no one will probably persuade you. There are other more important problems we should worry about lot more.
 
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I am running four Mac computers in my house now and few at work. None of them is normally restarted for performance reasons, they run all the time or sleep over night. Updates is the most common reason for restart. Typical time between restarts is 30+ days. No memory control software is running, simply plain vanilla macOS memory controls. Earlier experience with memory control software has taught me, that all are simply bad for performance...
Even my old Mac Mini with 6Gb RAM runs for months at time without need to restart. It is not heavily loaded, for sure, but no need to worry about memory. It even runs once in a while Windows in virtual environment, which I find heroic achievement. My "large" system has 16GB of RAM and runs older OSX and Windows in Parallels, at the same time. Memory utilization and responsiveness is stable over time, I reboot it after ~ month just to remember to do it at least sometimes.

There have been some cases when I ended up rebooting macOS for performance reasons in the last 3-4 years. Typically because some application hung so badly, I could not kill it properly. Most typically these were poorly written Apps which use kernel extensions which broke the system or when some networking issue hanged Finder, I needed to reset Bluetooth etc. As far as I can say, none of these were memory issues you are talking about...

Typical consumers I can observe (~ family) have no clue how much memory they have, need, and want. They simply use the computer. When I log into my daughter's Air on those rare occasions she lets me in for maintenance, I am amazed how many Safari windows + many, many Apps at the same time the system can handle. With 8GB RAM. And somehow the thing works just fine, especially for its puny cpu and only 8GB of RAM. She does not complain (= about the computer) which is small miracle as any father of teen daughter will tell you.

Basically, the more you care and try to fight with it, the worse it gets.

But you seem to be set on "Apple is screwing me up"... They are not, at least not on memory management... But no one will probably persuade you. There are other more important problems we should worry about lot more.

Thank you again for your patience and your stories, but it seams that you are focused on your experience and not on mine that has been repeating constantly with many Apple computers. if you do not create the same environment we will never know if you reached my limits.
I totally believe you when you say that yours are fine.

For me the point it is not to tell you I am right LOL, I do not have a problem to say I did something wrong, but I use this IMac only for Work and nothing else, I wish I could say, I do something wrong.

It is related to something in my routine which is hundreds of websites open, excel spreadsheet very little, AOL opened with few many windows running, and many pics relatively little ... many window and tags open & closed during the day.

This the latest experience: Yesterday it rebooted on its own for updates .. Started smoother with all the websites running .. many opening extra to study when time is avail ... Today I open and close some many extra windows, and I quick notice what is the first signal of SLOW DOWN !! I load a set 20 Yahoo Finance stocks pages in diff tabs, and computer starts to run the FAN at max speed ...which is noisy and here that the computer start to be slow!! ... after I close some windows (and here I start to lose time and frustrated ) or I do not use the computer for a bit of time, the Fans stop and the computer is become pretty smooth ,,,, I am sure if now I go on the Finance desktop and start to go around those big webpage it will start again the fan and start to be slower ... exactly ! it did it again! fans runs and computer is slow

Is the fan running indicating something important ?

and then I find out this PIC I am attaching ... 1 hour of use of CPU .. can it be something that taking precedence to do in iCloud it slows me into the normal running of the computer?

Always grateful!
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I am running four Mac computers in my house now and few at work. None of them is normally restarted for performance reasons, they run all the time or sleep over night. .......
Pathonza!! Finally I found a way to prove it to you ..
maybe with this we can be more proactive than just explaining wording ..

GRAZIE!
marino

PS: I am praying for your knowledge
 

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Based on that picture, your memory is under pressure and you will have issues. But you are complaining in wrong place... Apple is innocent. It is your software which asks for too many resources.
1 limit number of windows in Safari. Easy solution.
2 complain to yahoo that their pages are too memory heavy. Way too heavy...
Apple has no control what each page downloads and runs. Think about each web page today as small virtual machine with Java based operating system. Each tab needs its own memory, they can not share. 20x same page = 20x memory.
yahoo poorly designed graphic and memory heavy page. Works ok if you have it opened once. Open too many times and you have problem.
and since these are running and updating all the time in the background, they cannot be minimized well in memory.
Your problem is blaming computer for bad software. Web pages are software... Or you need computer with lot more Resources. But every time users add more resources, web designers waste them much faster. It is even likely, yahoo checks how much memory you have and if enough, downloads to you much more heavy version of the same page... Typically to get more adverts in front of you.
 

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Based on that picture, your memory is under pressure and you will have issues. But you are complaining in wrong place... Apple is innocent. It is your software which asks for too many resources.
1 limit number of windows in Safari. Easy solution.
2 complain to yahoo that their pages are too memory heavy. Way too heavy...
Apple has no control what each page downloads and runs. Think about each web page today as small virtual machine with Java based operating system. Each tab needs its own memory, they can not share. 20x same page = 20x memory.
yahoo poorly designed graphic and memory heavy page. Works ok if you have it opened once. Open too many times and you have problem.
and since these are running and updating all the time in the background, they cannot be minimized well in memory.
Your problem is blaming computer for bad software. Web pages are software... Or you need computer with lot more Resources. But every time users add more resources, web designers waste them much faster. It is even likely, yahoo checks how much memory you have and if enough, downloads to you much more heavy version of the same page... Typically to get more adverts in front of you.
patHONZA ! YOU ARE THE BEST! thank you for not quitting on me ...
The first thing I asked for HELP, in this Green Berret Task Force of MacRumurs, it was just to have more angle technical INFO so I could ZERO IN my problem: That you fantastically provided and THANK YOU!!

Do you agree that at the end, it was mostly what I said at the beginning?... that my general feed back (even applied with my ignorance to this specific knowledge) I could see a specific pattern, which was then what you confirmed: I feel good that at least it made sense, and specifically that the single sources of websites /softwares are the ones which carries the most fault of slowing down efficiency on my iMAC!! ... PERFECT!

The point now it is for me how to solve it with this confirmations in mind and without wasting on other presumptions.

Conversely, you also confirmed the friction of Trading Malignity, for which my complaining on APPLE was vigorous (but not the strong base of my request to you), but aside, I still feel that there is a Business Strategy to oblige consumer to change more ofter their Devices.

And you agreeing with the fact that:

1) when websites find more space on bigger RAM platforms, they expand automatically more (and that was precisely my point in 5 computer generations, MAXxing out very quick with websites, while getting iMacs RAMs ALREADY full in few months even in basically the same quantity of website loading up!) when setting them up with more FUNCTIONs in dependence of - available on target RAM within the website itself!!

2) after humans going on Mars and PLUTO, and APPLE applying for the military budget and they LOST to Microsoft, really do you think that APPLE cannot invent a way to expand to higher capacity the max RAM possible on a COMPUTER??? instead of giving it a bit by bit like if we are stupid? ... it is absurd that they create short LIMITS, WHICH THEY perfectly KNOW THEY WILL BE BEATEN UP (alienated/obsolated) in 1 or 2 YEARS MAXIMUM! .. THAT IS THE SCAM! they KNOW it and they do not care!

Now for example they are topping at 64GiG or max 128GIG of RAM; do you wanna bet that if I buy a new computer with that kind of MEM and loading the same amount of websites, I WILL HAVE, in a NO TIME filled very quick and cause me that problem AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN ..

The point is that a COMPUTER of this kind it is not needed from people that they do not use RAM! or not websites that are demanding!
IF you buy memory it is because you had a MEM problem! others like you will be ALWAYS not a big spendere as you need only a not expensive one, as it does the same task, and you save a lot of money!
People who spends like me, it is DECEIVED to be covered, but WE ARE NOT! and that is the scam! .. IF I would have run websites of somebody UNKNOWN it would be understandable into the casualties of war kind! ... but we are talking about Yahoo, FB and Linkedin ! that IS NUTS! My 32Giga is probably enough to go on mars and I cannot use 20 Yahoo Finance websites ! ?ahahah do you see the discrepancy ... ??

I stand again even stronger: they are scumbags! and this IT IS PRECISELY like the CAR trading!
I had all my life ITALIAN Cars of decent level and I thought that for a car it was normal to fail after few year of running so that at invery shorth time ready to starting the never finishing game of fixing something and braking something else until death! (hey! and UK and FRANCE they are the same! Germany slightly better but not comparable!).
I come to USA and HERE there are these JAPANESE Cars that never break down!! C'MONNN!! I spent all my life to follow limited morally respectfully people and believe in them!?
JAPs or KOREANs you change the oil and some inspection once in a while, and you go 300,000 mile like NOTHING !
IT IS A LIFE WAY to respect people which is in their immense respect for humans: to avoid a problem to another human FIRST before them!
LET ME TELL you, as I am the most expert italian telecom (another disaster into pure marketing) consultant in USA and relatively:
APPLE DO IT ON PURPOSE!

I LOVE YOU patHONZA!
yours
marino
 

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Hmmm... I give you explanation to your problem, and suggestion what to do - you respond with political manifesto. With cars??? That is not what this place is for, go on reddit. And after I explain, that you are barking on the wrong tree (=Apple) you end with "Apple did it on purpose". Clearly, did not get the message.
So are you looking for help? Close the damned tabs. Apple's memory management is really good, better than Windows and likely better than linux. But no computer system can provide infinite resources. If you ask for too much, eventually you run out. What is surprising on that?
And keep in mind, that you do not pay for yahoo, FB, linked in, and most other web sites. They are paid by advertising and YOU are the product. That is known and obviously accepted.
"Hey, my product (=you) got more memory today. Let me load larger movie and show him that, my real customer (=advertising agency) will pay me few cents more... "
 
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Hmmm... I give you explanation to your problem, and suggestion what to do - you respond with political manifesto. With cars??? That is not what this place is for, go on reddit. And after I explain, that you are barking on the wrong tree (=Apple) you end with "Apple did it on purpose". Clearly, did not get the message.
So are you looking for help? Close the damned tabs. Apple's memory management is really good, better than Windows and likely better than linux. But no computer system can provide infinite resources. If you ask for too much, eventually you run out. What is surprising on that?
And keep in mind, that you do not pay for yahoo, FB, linked in, and most other web sites. They are paid by advertising and YOU are the product. That is known and obviously accepted.
"Hey, my product (=you) got more memory today. Let me load larger movie and show him that, my real customer (=advertising agency) will pay me few cents more... "
patHONZA, first of all is not political but attacking what your idolatries cannot show you for mind stuck. .. IT IS a big LIMITATION!
and their PLAN it is a perfect marketing positioning to serve themselves.
IT IS LIKE when there was NO PLURGING!! ... do you remember!?!? Memory was getting full and you had to shut it down very often!
Somebody like me - at the time - for sure said "is that normal!?!?" and somebody like Pathonza said "CLOSSSEEE THE TABB!" ahahahahah sorry man! but you are so funny! RESUL --> THEY FIXed IT!

But anyway, you cannot get it because you are stuck into your APPLE world of just appearance for a simplistic way of use ... and which is also my world but not a fan of it and wanting to change it because I am a consumer (even 10 or 20 times bigger than you!)!
if you like to suck it because you watch cartoons, it is your perfect world.
BS! the memory is not treated in the correct way on purpose! you can say whatever. OR if it is not the memory it can be something else that manages it in a better way, without saying "CLOSE THE TABBBBSS!!" ahahahahah

CLOSE THE TABS! ... I move huge amount of money and I need all those info I am leveraging!
It is no effort for me to buy another one: but an entrepreneur never like to lose against tricks.
IF you use your computer for low level stuff you would never need an iMAC but a freaking iPad ..
whatever dude !

How do you know I do not pay for yahoo and FB and Linkedin EVEN besides the free marketing that they push which is paying, but also directly buy and leveraging their trading shortcuts. From this you give me the idea of limitation of your experiences: sorry for that.

The car similitude, it carries the same marketing trick: Release only enough for what CONSUMER will be obliged to come back for necessity, related to limitations left on purpose.
You can stay ignoring as much as you want, because you load DOS programs on an APPLE, who cares! ...but not coming here and say "CLOSE THE TABS!!" ... ahahahahah
precisely LIKE if you buy a Car that breaks down going downhill, and your solution is telling the users: DON'T GO DOWNHILLLLL!

ANYWAY ! I thank you for what you shared, which helped me a little, but at the end you told me what I TOLD you right at the Beginning!
I really doubt you are an expert .. you are a "make yourself at home kinda" of patHONZA if you knew what it means, a big compliment!

Ciao e Grazie,

marino

PS: I will spend all my Independence Day Weekend saying " CLOSE THE TAAAABSSS! " ahahahah you made my day! ahahah
 
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