but it says UP TO...that is anywhere from 1-10 hours. Not really a "promise"
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macOS Sierra 10.12.2 Removes 'Time Remaining' Battery Life Indicator
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but it says UP TO...that is anywhere from 1-10 hours. Not really a "promise"
I PROMISE you could live up to 150 years
work IT for a couple years, your confidence is user's tech intelligence will be destroyed. I help doctors and lawyers who don't know how to click on something for christ sake. Not everyone is a nerd like us
What's your point? Just because not all cars have it doesn't mean it's not a useful feature to have!
Wow. 
So a features that lets the user get a feel on whether they need to plug in sooner or later on a laptop, will now be disabled because all of a sudden it is giving a bad impression of battery life? for real? what are these guys smoking?
I think users know that it is an estimate based on the current load, that is when we typically bring down the brightness, kill apps, etc to boost that number up until we charge.
But now it is a "useless" feature. Just like Magsafe.
So a features that lets the user get a feel on whether they need to plug in sooner or later on a laptop, will now be disabled because all of a sudden it is giving a bad impression of battery life? for real? what are these guys smoking?
I think users know that it is an estimate based on the current load, that is when we typically bring down the brightness, kill apps, etc to boost that number up until we charge.
But now it is a "useless" feature. Just like Magsafe.
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What I'm having a hard time figuring out is if you are a troll or not. Two out of my three cars tell me how much range I have left. It is quite useful.
I find the battery life estimate very helpful. On both my Macs and Windows machines. The only thing misleading is Apple's battery estimates for the new Macbook Pros.
That comparison works if you run the Tesla at 45 some of the time (general photoshop work) and then punch it to 250 mpg (rendering video) and then back to 15 (web browsing.)
I would go so far to argue that it is easier to predict time left on a car battery than a laptop battery.
Thanks Adrian, I've updated my post so as to explain more clearly what I was referring to.
Because it's a gauge not an exact measurement. We have grown accustomed to using this and I for one like the % it gives me a general idea on what's left. The battery meter is very hard to read as it could be showing about a 10th left on battery and then go out the next minute, with the % remaining at least it tells you with numbers about where you are at.
This is another reason I never allow automatic updates on my iPhone or Mac. One day you can have a feature that you've had for years and the next day it could be gone. I'd rather be in control of what's going to change on my system, read about it first, see how it's going to implement my life and then decide if I will update to it or not.
Ever climb a mountain in a car?
[doublepost=1481730037][/doublepost]What people don't realize is that there is no longer a rate change captured in a digestible way. That's what the time estimate gave you (roughly). I want to know that if I keep doing video encoding in Premiere then I will only have about 2 hours left. But if I back off of that and start doing some light Lightroom editing I can get five more hours. A static battery gauge means that I have to start looking at percentages to figure that out myself. I am gobsmacked by the Apple apologists in full force today.
This is ********, why can't they just average the estimates out for a longer period of time?
Or perhaps average out your usage over say a month, then you can predict the battery remaining much more accurately based on your historical usage patterns.
The estimate has ALWAYS been how long your battery life will last at the _current_ usage. So yes, if you're converting video then it should show 2-3 hours, because that is true. If you're idling, it should show 10 hours. Why was this never a problem in the past, but suddenly this new Macbook Pro comes out this feature suddenly is "broken" and has to be removed?
They're simply lazy and the easiest bandaid fix is to remove it completely. The Apple I used to know has always been about "smart" and technology that "just works". Now it seems they only know how to remove things.
Or perhaps average out your usage over say a month, then you can predict the battery remaining much more accurately based on your historical usage patterns.
The estimate has ALWAYS been how long your battery life will last at the _current_ usage. So yes, if you're converting video then it should show 2-3 hours, because that is true. If you're idling, it should show 10 hours. Why was this never a problem in the past, but suddenly this new Macbook Pro comes out this feature suddenly is "broken" and has to be removed?
They're simply lazy and the easiest bandaid fix is to remove it completely. The Apple I used to know has always been about "smart" and technology that "just works". Now it seems they only know how to remove things.
man! now i can't see the % remaining on my iMac! So frustrated....
for real though, did they really think that it was inaccurate enough that they needed to remove it? Why not just make it more accurate? I'm confused over this entire 2016 mac thing, is apple a phone company dabbling in computers or was it just a slow year (3-4 on some models) for computer technology?
for real though, did they really think that it was inaccurate enough that they needed to remove it? Why not just make it more accurate? I'm confused over this entire 2016 mac thing, is apple a phone company dabbling in computers or was it just a slow year (3-4 on some models) for computer technology?
Not really.
AC on/off. Heat on/off. Lights on/off, speed. Hills. Stop and go. Playing heavy metal and driving spirited. Bad weather traction control. Kids playing with the electric windows.
Seems more similar to me than different.
The internet: 2016 MacBook Pro battery life sucks!
Apple: *Removes the remaining battery life indicator*
Tim Cook: Done. Now let's make more emoji.
Apple: *Removes the remaining battery life indicator*
Tim Cook: Done. Now let's make more emoji.
Nice way to completely change the context of the conversation from "Apple has lost their way" to "macOS 'lost' the time remaining indicator."
You go to school for this trolling?
The number being removed from macOS is not there on the iPhone. They are removing "time remaining", and that's only on macOS anyway.
If you absolutely must know estimated battery life time remaining, Apple provides it still in Activity Monitor. Plus you'll get far more detailed data about exactly how much energy each running app or process is using.
Or maybe, just use your laptop as is, without worrying, and plug it in when you get down to ~10% left.
I think this is a red herring issue, as time remaining has never been accurate, where a 2 hours estimate can last 5 hours or 20 minutes depending upon what you're working on.
This sounds almost like 'You are holding it wrong' to me.
The batteries are an issue, so Apple just says 'Hey, lets make that fuzzier'. Battery technology seems more art than science. A rhetorical question: should be even be relying on Li-ion batteries at all? It seems to dependent on quality control, and proper programming of support that, coming from a country that knowingly fed their people melamine because it would test as 'protein', and fed newborns poisoned formula, how can we trust they have our best interests in heart...
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I agree. Hey, at least they aren't taking the crease out of legs anymore, or becoming office Hibachi grills...
The batteries are an issue, so Apple just says 'Hey, lets make that fuzzier'. Battery technology seems more art than science. A rhetorical question: should be even be relying on Li-ion batteries at all? It seems to dependent on quality control, and proper programming of support that, coming from a country that knowingly fed their people melamine because it would test as 'protein', and fed newborns poisoned formula, how can we trust they have our best interests in heart...
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I agree. Hey, at least they aren't taking the crease out of legs anymore, or becoming office Hibachi grills...
Exactly.
I don't care what Apple does with their future devices... given the current trend, my current iMac and Macbook Air will be the last macOS devices that I own. But I would like them not to mess with my current devices. And sadly, avoiding upgrading to the latest version of macOS has become near impossible due to the increasing number of apps that require the latest version of macOS.
I have a 2015 car and I don't have it. I never found MBP's battery estimate useful.
Users are comparing removing the battery estimate to removing the fuel gauge or speedometer, when they're not the same at all.