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macOS Tahoe 26.0 Beta 8 - Bug fixes, changes, and more
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That's not true. So many people are still complaining about the flat ui hell we live in since Yosemite. I hate every second I have to see it. Others are still using Mavericks because of it: https://mavericksforever.com/
By "So many people" you actually mean 0.001% of Apple users in the world. Right? Because if you think that even every single member of every single Apple-related website forum constitutes any more than that, I think you're sorely mistaken.
I meant "many" in relation to those who actually care about UI design.
what's your source for this statement? just saying something doesn't make it true 🤔
I finally got around to installing the Tahoe beta on my MB Pro 16" M4Max. Runs smooth as silk for me.
While I don't particularly like the GUI, I now think that some of the commentary about Tahoe's readability is overblown. Many of the screenshots people have shared regarding readability issues appear to be specifically set up in a way as to prove a point, and not based on "normal use" by a "normal consumer." For example, I keep seeing people posting screenshots of Music with the name of the song and other text almost completely lost against a background of the album art and/or desktop, etc. My personal reality is that I haven't come across that issue at all.
I could do without all the giant glass bubbles for buttons, etc. But again, for me, I only really notice them if I'm in the Finder – which I very rarely am. I work in apps (including a Finder replacement app called Forklift) many of which use their own GUI (Adobe, Microsoft, etc.) or Apple apps that have a very simple interface where the "problem" doesn't really show itself much anyway.
My personal belief is that, like every other OS design change since Mac OSX was released, people here will complain about the "new" OS and wish Apple would stick with the "old" OS that they spent the previous 18 months complaining about. It's a silly and predictable cycle that apparently will never end, and that simply illustrates that people don't generally like change of any kind. I personally love change, but that's just me.
While I don't particularly like the GUI, I now think that some of the commentary about Tahoe's readability is overblown. Many of the screenshots people have shared regarding readability issues appear to be specifically set up in a way as to prove a point, and not based on "normal use" by a "normal consumer." For example, I keep seeing people posting screenshots of Music with the name of the song and other text almost completely lost against a background of the album art and/or desktop, etc. My personal reality is that I haven't come across that issue at all.
I could do without all the giant glass bubbles for buttons, etc. But again, for me, I only really notice them if I'm in the Finder – which I very rarely am. I work in apps (including a Finder replacement app called Forklift) many of which use their own GUI (Adobe, Microsoft, etc.) or Apple apps that have a very simple interface where the "problem" doesn't really show itself much anyway.
My personal belief is that, like every other OS design change since Mac OSX was released, people here will complain about the "new" OS and wish Apple would stick with the "old" OS that they spent the previous 18 months complaining about. It's a silly and predictable cycle that apparently will never end, and that simply illustrates that people don't generally like change of any kind. I personally love change, but that's just me.
The issue could be that the first betas of both iOS and MacOS 26 were a usability and readability disaster.
Over the following betas, this got pretty much fixed, but the echo chamber of complaints remained.
I waited until the third or forth dev beta (I forget which!) so missed all the excitement, and have liked 26/Tahoe since the start.
Over the following betas, this got pretty much fixed, but the echo chamber of complaints remained.
I waited until the third or forth dev beta (I forget which!) so missed all the excitement, and have liked 26/Tahoe since the start.
i had no problem with the first betas of either OS, knowing full well that they were, in fact, first betas. i know running betas has consequences; it's what we sign up for if we want to dive in early.
Getting rid of the dedicated title bar at the top of windows was a big misstep in terms of usability; creating user frustration is not a great design outcome.
I use BetterSnapTool to let me grab a window from anywhere by holding down a modifier key (fn for me), so don't need to hunt for those mythical draggable window top pixels ever again.
I love that trick. Also, natively macOS support ctrl-cmd + click anywhere to drag a window. I use it all the time.
But I can’t assign that as mouse click, which would make so much sens now that windows don’t have a title bar.
Wish they'd finally fix that bug where the z-order of windows is destroyed after closing a Catalyst app (such as Weather or Maps) because it brings all of the previously active app's windows to the front—as if you had clicked its Dock icon. So annoying.
Funny I always diskliked the overtoned skeuomorphist design of Leopard onwards. I thought, wow Tiger looks so much cleaner and organised. So a part of me was happy to se a return to a simpler desgn in Yosemite, even though they overdid that one as well it in the later years
My touchID functionality disappeared on Beta 8. Did anyone else have this problem?
I haven't been running Tahoe but I don't think the legibility issues have been set up by users trying to "gotcha" Apple. Playing music in the Music app isn't "trying to prove a point," other than using the software for normal use causes issues. This isn't testers turning on Dark Mode, using weirdo wallpaper, changing typefaces, to make the UI unreadable. It's normal use and playing music is a normal use-case, and if Apple wants to have album art all over the place, then it's Apple's job to make sure that text remains legible (at least most of the time - though they should be designing for all the time).
And I really think "people just complain and then get used to it" is a line used by non-UX people to belittle others, honestly. Myself and others have pointed out specific UX/UI issues in Tahoe, and the only argument that comes back is "you'll get used to it." Even though I turned off a lot of Sequoia's new baby-user nagging, I'm still mad about it.
Tahoe is yet another reason I'm strongly considering what my next upgrade options are and what the right path is for me.
The legacy of allowing betas into the hands of non-developers.
Actually, I remembered there is a settings to enable command line. Here is a great how to and demo : https://mmazzarolo.com/blog/2022-04-16-drag-window-by-clicking-anywhere-on-macos/