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macOS Tahoe 26.4 Displays Warnings for Apps That Won't Work After Rosetta 2 Support Ends

Rachid Vàzquez said:
It’s very frustrating because there will be hundreds of Steam games that won’t get updated, even though they run just fine under Rosetta. It’s total nonsense
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Yeah, it sucks but I bet people had the same experience when moving from power pc to intel.

I’m interested to see how gaming grows with apple silicon going forward.

I genuinely feel the rumoured A18 pro MacBook will be a game changer as it will make Mac OS so much more accessible to a lot of people financially (unless Apple mess up the pricing)

$600 is definitely the sweet spot in my opinion.

Because despite Apple gaining more market share over the years, only so many people have the means to spend 1k minimum on a laptop.

I feel iPads are so successful because of the budget models and the Mac is long overdue one.

Plus benchmarks suggest the A18 pro can outperform the M1 in some cases and M1s are still decent despite being 5 years old.

So low level gaming and general productivity. I feel the A18 Pro MacBook will disrupt the Chromebook market.

Plus when was the last time an average user said their iPhone/iPad that’s under 5 years old was too slow?
 
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JosephAW said:
It’s a shame they don’t maintain one computer with Intel or just go ahead and release macOS for the Intel PC platform with all the windows 11 debacle going on. 🙄
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Now would be a great time to at least partner with Steam on some kind of x86 to ARM emulator to play Windows games on the Mac. Whiskey was doing a great job before development was stopped.
 
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I really hope they release all of the bug and UI fixes that will be present in OS27 in Tahoe if they're going to drop Intel device support altogether. Otherwise Sequoia will be the last decent intel supported OS. I also agree with the other commentator that there is a good opportunity for them to release MacOS for Intel devices and grow market share off the abandonment of Windows 11 by many.
 
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Johnny907 said:
Wow. What an absolute d*ck move.
Apple is just done pretending it’s not all in on forced obsolescence I see.
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lol WTF. The industry has been expecting this for years, had understood and developed their apps already.

After the 8th year of their transition Apple is discontinuing new software releases to their intel macs, yet keeping their old software alive and well and even release new updates to them regularly.

It's time to but a new mac after 10 years. If you don't, having an outdated but well maintained os is more than enough.
 
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thelion7 said:
Yeah, it sucks but I bet people had the same experience when moving from power pc to intel.

I’m interested to see how gaming grows with apple silicon going forward.

I genuinely feel the rumoured A18 pro MacBook will be a game changer as it will make Mac OS so much more accessible to a lot of people financially (unless Apple mess up the pricing)

$600 is definitely the sweet spot in my opinion.

Because despite Apple gaining more market share over the years, only so many people have the means to spend 1k minimum on a laptop.

I feel iPads are so successful because of the budget models and the Mac is long overdue one.

Plus benchmarks suggest the A18 pro can outperform the M1 in some cases and M1s are still decent despite being 5 years old.

So low level gaming and general productivity. I feel the A18 Pro MacBook will disrupt the Chromebook market.

Plus when was the last time an average user said their iPhone/iPad that’s under 5 years old was too slow?
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You said a lot of words here with only one sentence related to the post...
 
I sincerely hope this warning popup will be toggle-able, either in preferences or with a 'defaults write'.

Wouldn't want to swat away system popups all the time when starting some utility - especially if Rosetta is going to be in the next OS version still (and they definitely should just keep it around FFS).
 
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opeter said:
So the new system (macOS 27) won't even run on Intel machines, right?

Ah, thanks for this information. So Apple will artificially cut off the old architecture, meaning they will no longer support it or they just don't want it... so you will be forced, to buy a new Mac.
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2020 was when the last Mac with intel was released. The Intel Macs that are still supported will still get 2 years of security updates after mainstream support, meaning a good 8-9 years of support. And even still, they won’t become non-functional at that point either… no one is forcing you to buy a new Mac.
 
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If you are still working with an Intel Mac at this point, my question is why? Apple Silicon is amazing, and you can get good deals with Apple's refurbished section. If it's because of an app that hasn't been updated to work with the M series hardware, it's time to ditch that developer for one that makes apps for M series hardware. Steve Jobs would be amazed if he was alive to see the performance per watt on new Apple hardware.

I get from the developer's point of view, it can be tiring to keep up with Apple. From Power PC to Intel to M series. From 32-bit to 64-bit. Hopefully, there are no more major architectural changes anytime soon. 🤞
 
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Idiotic moves like this are why most software developers that aren't already Mac-centric will never consider supporting macOS. Nobody wants to make software for an operating system that will constantly break backwards compatibility, especially if it's not your main target.

Meanwhile, Microsoft understands that people want to be still running the software they already have that is not longer actively updated, and so will probably keep x86 emulation on ARM Windows for at least 20 years. Yes, it will cost them, but they can afford it, and so can Apple.
 
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LimeiBook86 said:
Ending Rosetta support after macOS 27 is a silly move. There are plenty of great Intel apps and utilities that don't need to be rebuilt, and most never will for Apple Silicon. These apps run perfectly today and it's a shame the ability to run them will be thrown out... except specifically for some games? What a weird restriction.
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Especially for older games. A lot of old independent Apple-centric studios disappeared last decade. And while some were bought out (versus simply disappearing), typically the buyers (such as EA) didn't continue the macOS support - they were just looking for iOS properties.
 
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antibolo said:
Idiotic moves like this are why most software developers that aren't already Mac-centric will never consider supporting macOS. Nobody wants to make software for an operating system that will constantly break backwards compatibility.

Meanwhile, Microsoft understands that people want to be still running the software they already have, and so will probably keep x86 emulation on ARM Windows for at least 20 years. Yes, it will cost them, but they can afford it, and so can Apple.
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Blah blah blah blah.
 
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Even though I will argue for just leaving Rosetta 2 alone because I can't fathom any worthwhile reason to intentionally break things, either drop support or don't. What an insulting move to drop support, but then still put in the effort to maintain it only for something as nonsensical as video games. If you like video games, fine, but of all the things to get special OS-level treatment... If Apple's going to bother maintaining Rosetta 2, just keep doing what it's already doing instead of having stupid special carveouts.
 
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antibolo said:
Idiotic moves like this are why most software developers that aren't already Mac-centric will never consider supporting macOS. Nobody wants to make software for an operating system that will constantly break backwards compatibility.
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"Nobody wants to make software for an operating system that will constantly break." As in Windows, which is why there really are a lot of developers focused on Mac...

Indefinite backward compatibility is a huge burden to carry forward. Also known as Technology Debt.

FTFY 🙂
 
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Black_Mage said:
If you are still working with an Intel Mac at this point, my question is why? Apple Silicon is amazing, and you can get good deals with Apple's refurbished section. If it's because of an app that hasn't been updated to work with the M series hardware, it's time to ditch that developer for one that makes apps for M series hardware. Steve Jobs would be amazed if he was alive to see the performance per watt on new Apple hardware.

I get from the developer's point of view, it can be tiring to keep up with Apple. From Power PC to Intel to M series. From 32-bit to 64-bit. Hopefully, there are no more major architectural changes anytime soon. 🤞
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I know plenty of people that are just fine with their Intel Mac mini’s and iMacs. Unless you’re a developer or someone that needs the extra power and runs pretty intensive apps, the late Intel Macs “work fine”… Obvs, YMMV.

I’ll be keeping mine around so I can run some old VMs and my Steam games. But yeah, AS is so much better. I have a good friend that recently bought his first apple silicon Mac and he was holding onto his old 2018 Mac mini, two. He’s completely blown away.
 
antibolo said:
Idiotic moves like this are why most software developers that aren't already Mac-centric will never consider supporting macOS. Nobody wants to make software for an operating system that will constantly break backwards compatibility, especially if it's not your main target.

Meanwhile, Microsoft understands that people want to be still running the software they already have that is not longer actively updated, and so will probably keep x86 emulation on ARM Windows for at least 20 years. Yes, it will cost them, but they can afford it, and so can Apple.
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Apple's 'idiotic moves' are also why macOS doesn't suffer from the same legacy bloat that Windows does. Forcing developers to update to modern APIs and native silicon (rather than relying on permanent emulation) is exactly why modern Macs run so fast and cool. Microsoft keeps x86 emulation forever because their enterprise clients demand it (that's where Microsoft makes their money), but that backwards compatibility comes with a massive performance tax that Apple users simply don't have to pay.

Also, developers who care about providing a high-quality, native experience make the jump, and the ecosystem is better for it. If a developer's priority is keeping a 2005 app running with zero maintenance, then Windows is definitely the better target -- but that's why Windows feels so fragmented.
 
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gank41 said:
I know plenty of people that are just fine with their Intel Mac mini’s and iMacs. Unless you’re a developer or someone that needs the extra power and runs pretty intensive apps, the late Intel Macs “work fine”… Obvs, YMMV.

I’ll be keeping mine around so I can run some old VMs and my Steam games. But yeah, AS is so much better. I have a good friend that recently bought his first apple silicon Mac and he was holding onto his old 2018 Mac mini, two. He’s completely blown away.
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On multithreaded stuff my 2019 Mac Pro is every bit as fast as my M3 Max Mac Book Pro; however the Mac Pro gets slaughtered on anything that requires fast single core speed.

I also have more memory in my Mac Pro. GPU wise the Mac Pro is faster.
 
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