SDAVE
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Hope you're serious about the performance comment. Tahoe runs like trash on 7,1 (see specs in my signature). Sequoia runs like a dream.
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macOS "Tahoe" 26.5 released: Is it time to upgrade from Sequoia? (poll)
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Hope you're serious about the performance comment. Tahoe runs like trash on 7,1 (see specs in my signature). Sequoia runs like a dream.
pigeonguy
macrumors member
Really? My intel iMac 2020 (i7) has been extraordinarily slow.
Borderline unusable in Tahoe.
So this didn't start with Tahoe (I'm not sure exactly when it started) but is anyone else kind of annoyed that the tops of app windows keep getting busier and busier and the area that you can use for dragging an application window around keeps getting more ambiguous? I'm old and I remember when the horizontal area that contained the traffic light circles was essentially reserved space and not meant for ALL UI controls.
And the floating sidebar makes that "drag zone" at the top even more confusing because it somehow extends also to the top of the floating sidebar even though that looks like a different part of the UI.
I think that is actually what I dislike about Tahoe most (and it is again something that started before Tahoe but Tahoe has made it worse).
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And the floating sidebar makes that "drag zone" at the top even more confusing because it somehow extends also to the top of the floating sidebar even though that looks like a different part of the UI.
I think that is actually what I dislike about Tahoe most (and it is again something that started before Tahoe but Tahoe has made it worse).
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avkills
macrumors 65832
Good catch, and yes I have noticed this also and it annoys me quite often.
I can see how this could be annoying for moving windows around, but, I actually like this behavior of moving controls up into that area. If the title bar held nothing but the window title, it would be effectively wasted space. (And with Tahoe wasting space in other ways, anything going against that helps.)
I won't defend Google Chrome or Edge for shoving their unwanted AI stuff into the UI.
If it is an annoyance for moving windows around, check out this tweak that allows you to drag windows by clicking "anywhere":
Moving a macOS window by clicking anywhere on it (like on Linux)
Today I learned that, since macOS High Sierra onwards, you can move a window by starting to drag anywhere on it.
mmazzarolo.com
Well it apparently runs like trash on your setup which is more powerful than mine. However you are using two 5k displays and I am only using one. The AMD RX-6900XT is faster than my 5700XT but does have the same amount of video RAM. Are you running any poorly optimized applications like Adobe Premiere?
noblesoul117
macrumors regular
I was okay with upgrading immediately into 26.0, but for me it became most refined around 26.3.
In .4 and .5 I've continued to see little improvements here and there, especially visual UI changes.
In .4 and .5 I've continued to see little improvements here and there, especially visual UI changes.
Populus
macrumors 604
While I think macOS 26.5 should already be mature enough to be up to the Apple’s standards, if you’re still hesitating, maybe you should just wait until macOS 27.
For several reasons, this should be a much more refined macOS release. First, it is Apple Silicon only, so they will probably do a spring cleaning with the old Intel code. Second, they admitted (or at least some rumors point at it) that they rushed the Liquid Glass version for macOS, and this next release should be more thought about than Tahoe.
I really think macOS 27 will be a well done Liquid Glass macOS. With less bugs, and less inconsistencies.
For several reasons, this should be a much more refined macOS release. First, it is Apple Silicon only, so they will probably do a spring cleaning with the old Intel code. Second, they admitted (or at least some rumors point at it) that they rushed the Liquid Glass version for macOS, and this next release should be more thought about than Tahoe.
I really think macOS 27 will be a well done Liquid Glass macOS. With less bugs, and less inconsistencies.
I have a 2019 MBP i9 64gb ram 5500m but also using eGPU. To me it has felt no different than sequoia.
Populus
macrumors 604
Yeah… In that case I would opt for making a clean install of macOS 26.5, it seems polished enough and will receive security updates for two more years.
SDAVE
macrumors 601
Has nothing to do with 5k displays.
Highly doubt you're working in a production environment, which Tahoe isn't ready for especially on Intel machines.
Like I said its fine for M series chips.
I finally caved in two days ago -- longest wait for me on a system update since holding out on 9.2.2 for almost a year and a half prior to upgrading with Jaguar. So far heavy on resource use though it still seems to be doing photo analysis and indexing kind of things. Seems a touch more stable and responsive than Sequoia but UI absurdities all over the place. M1 Max MBP. I'd already migrated my M2 mini about a month or two ago with no obvious ill results.
Royksöpp
macrumors 68030
StellarVixen
macrumors 68040
Voted yes. It’s not as good as it can be, but it’s way better than it was in October. It’s acceptable. Can’t wait to see what lessons have they learned when 27 comes out.
EdwardC
macrumors 6502a
First time since System 7 I will completely skip 26 and wait it out until 27.1 or .2.
Bear in mind, I've only got two days on it so far, and it's Apple Silicon M1, so somewhat of a best case use scenario for Tahoe! We'll see how things go once all the indexing and spotlighting is truly done.....
Royksöpp
macrumors 68030
I came from an M4 Pro to M5 Pro, and the M4 on Sequoia was buttery smooth, almost perfect. Tahoe on the other hand... and it's running on a newly released Mac at that! It's better on 12.5, but nowhere close to level of polish of Sequoia.
Terraaustralis
macrumors 6502
I am not a power user. Unless you are a Caveman like myself who is tuned into the Intel iMacs through long association, staying with Intel is, sadly, a lost cause. I agree with all those who hold back from OSX upgrading until the glitches are ironed out of an operating system and I would like to point out that each new OSX further restricts your working flexibility.
Yesterday I tried to download Chat GTP on Sequoia and found it could not be done. Apple security rejects it. On Ventura one can click "download the app anyway" but that facility no longer exists on Sequoia. Further, I do not mind Sequoia asking my for my password to allow apps to "access full disk access". But having done so, I do object to it asking me to approve that access again for the specific app. I see no point in that as the original app was the reason for the access request in the first place. Others have pointed out the need for two step verification on the same "secure device" with six figure code delivered to the same machine that requested approval. Has security reached the level of obsession?
My impression is that in the name of security, Apple is progressively reducing user OSX flexibility as part of a policy to increase the turnover of product. New OSX releases occur too quickly, hence we become the test resource. Under Job’s, the Mac was expanded into the most versatile product achievable. Under Cook we have a policy that reduces the Mac to a solid state machine. We also have an Apple marketing policy which adds (often unnecessary) ‘features‘. We are also caught out when features disappear. Under these circumstances we users are constantly inconvenienced by glitches and changes as the price of using the ‘best consumer computer on the market‘. Realignment with iPhone/ios is to some degree welcome in terminology and elsewhere - but not at the cost of impairing the flexibility of the original Mac product.
Unfortunately with 70% of Apple income coming from iPhone, we have the iphone tail wagging the computer dog. As for pressure to increase the ‘wow‘ factor with every OSX release, that is marketing mentality I deplore. Improve the products function by all practical means. Do not be overwhelm the product with marketing tinsel.
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Hombre53
macrumors 6502
I updated to 26.5 earlier today on my 2020 iMac. Specs: Intel 3.1 Ghz i5 6 Core CPU, 32 Gb RAM, 4Gb AMD Radeon Pro 5300. I had a bit of trepidation, as my last attempt was with 26.2 and it was a disaster. Sluggish, like I had cement shoes on. I quickly reverted back to Sequoia and "normalcy" returned. Realizing this OS is the final shot for my 2020 Intel iMac, I decided to try again today, fully expecting to again revert back to Sequoia 15.7.7, backups ready to go. Well, so far, so good. Everything I've tested seems as solid as Sequoia was. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked as I expected the opposite. Whatever Apple did from 26.2 until now has been good, at least for my 2020 Intel iMac. I'll report back if this whole thing goes south... hope not.
CrabQueenInc
macrumors 6502
Combing all the UI elements into a title bar/menu bar mishmash is one of Apple’s most unforgivable UI changes. That redesign alone, debuting in Big Sur, makes macOS function like Windows. Simply awful.