Ha I’m similar. I think I’d prefer a laptop and external monitor set up so I can have all files on one computer. I just did post about storage though as I’d ideally like a 8TB hard drive to future proof and keep all my video and photos on one laptop without the need for a external drive apart from back ups.. only problem is it’s the cost of a used car which always puts me off
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macOS Ventura Drops Support for Older Macs, Works With 2017 and Later Machines
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Quit licking Apple’s boots dude. What they did isn’t OK and your arguments in their favor are really bad
Maybe you two don’t use your computers for work?
The latest version of XCode is only supported on the latest version of MacOS. And that’s just ONE example
Just because it’s not a problem for you does not mean it’s not a problem. Your knee jerk, obsessive Apple defense is unhelpful and makes things worse for all of us
They’re the wealthiest, most powerful company. They can afford to support their computers for even longer than do normally. This is just unacceptable
The 2019 Intel-based Mac Pro is still on the market so I imagine it won't stop getting MacOS upgrades until at least 2025, given their track record of always including Macs discontinued within the last 3 years (with exception of Xserve G5 and possibly 2013 Mac Pro).
Well, that sucks. My 2015 iMac, built just months before the 2017 models came out, works just fine. I'm not going back to a 24-inch screen, and I love my 3 monitor setup. The Mac Studio is overkill for me, so I'll have to wait to see if a 27-inch model comes back.
Apple should have their heads examined for still selling that through 2018. Along with selling the 2017 MBA until 2019 and then dropping support for it 3 years later.
As someone who has been through 68K, PowerPC and Intel transitions, there is more going on here than just getting rid of Intel. And it seems to be security from what some are saying about MS and Apple making the same year the cut-off.
My iMac G5 (iSight), purchased in 2006 since it had more ram and was faster with most apps then Intel, was using the latest version until 2009 when SL came out. It had security updates and was my daily driver until 2011. That is when I upgraded to the Mac Pro. That is 3 years of being current and 5 years for security support for something that was purchased brand new during the transition. I was happy with that amount of time.
That means 2019 Mac Pro and 2018 Mac Mini machines, purchased today, would get the latest MacOS until 2025 and security fixes until 2027. I don't see it happening, currently. So this is worse than the PowerPC to Intel transition.
My iMac G5 (iSight), purchased in 2006 since it had more ram and was faster with most apps then Intel, was using the latest version until 2009 when SL came out. It had security updates and was my daily driver until 2011. That is when I upgraded to the Mac Pro. That is 3 years of being current and 5 years for security support for something that was purchased brand new during the transition. I was happy with that amount of time.
That means 2019 Mac Pro and 2018 Mac Mini machines, purchased today, would get the latest MacOS until 2025 and security fixes until 2027. I don't see it happening, currently. So this is worse than the PowerPC to Intel transition.
There have been topics like this for each macOS version: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-12-monterey-on-unsupported-macs-thread.2299557/
I can confirm that using Opencore Legacy Patcher it can and works fine with Monterey on older Macs including those from 2008. Just do a YT search for OCLP.
As for other news, well despite the lack of support the OC devs have also just confirmed today that IGPU-only Skylake hackintoshes can also run Ventura now, so there's that.
So much about supporting Intel Macs for years to come...
I think it's absolutely ridiculous to already drop support for Skylake architecture, since the differences between it and Kaby Lake are insignificant. That and the fact that 2016 machines (all of which were priced anywhere between $1500 and $4800 for the fully specced-out 15" MBP) have only received 6 years of support & now the users are forced to upgrade in order to continue using the latest software, despite paying so much for them.
I have a 2017 13" MBP that I planned on using for at least 8 years, but it looks like I should already plan on upgrading next year when macOS 14 drops Kaby Lake, and possibly much more powerful Coffee Lake as well.
I think it's absolutely ridiculous to already drop support for Skylake architecture, since the differences between it and Kaby Lake are insignificant. That and the fact that 2016 machines (all of which were priced anywhere between $1500 and $4800 for the fully specced-out 15" MBP) have only received 6 years of support & now the users are forced to upgrade in order to continue using the latest software, despite paying so much for them.
I have a 2017 13" MBP that I planned on using for at least 8 years, but it looks like I should already plan on upgrading next year when macOS 14 drops Kaby Lake, and possibly much more powerful Coffee Lake as well.
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The right plan actually would be to leave the Apple ecosystem and use something else. What Apple does in some areas is really brazen.
But I know it myself. A switch is often not that easy and then there are other problems.
I am curious how Apple will deal with the AppleSilicon Macs in the future (and simply installing Windows or Linux is no longer so easy with AppleSilicon). Probably there will still be arbitrary decisions. But hopefully not such as right now.
But I know it myself. A switch is often not that easy and then there are other problems.
I am curious how Apple will deal with the AppleSilicon Macs in the future (and simply installing Windows or Linux is no longer so easy with AppleSilicon). Probably there will still be arbitrary decisions. But hopefully not such as right now.
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This is really brutal.
Not every (potential) Apple user knows that the device they are buying is that old. And besides, sometimes you might not have a choice, since Apple does not offer anything else. Apple should simply not do something like that.
Apple has already done something similar with iOS devices.
The support period should be counted from the last day of sale. And three years are simply much too short (especially for a computer).
I believe that it will receive security updates for quite a few years so that it will continue to be just as productive and secure as it is now for quite some time.
Well...
Apple's Poor Patching Policies Potentially Make Users' Security and Privacy Precarious - The Mac Security Blog
Apple's practices regarding security updates are frustrating and perplexing, and may endanger users.
My 2012 Macbook Pro is running Catalina and still receiving security updates. I've since replaced the machine with a 2020 as my daily driver, but I still use the old one for certain things. Apple seems to offer security updates almost indefinitely on these things.
The unfortunate downside is that certain Apple apps (most of them, actually) such as XCode and Logic Pro X won't receive major updates on older versions of Mac OS. Apple tends to release major version updates to these applications only for the most recent Mac OS and the version immediately preceding it, so Macs themselves will typically get 5 years of major OS upgrades and approximately 6 years or so of major software updates for official apple applications. This doesn't really bother me, but it does mean that it's difficult to share Logic or XCode projects between computers.
Thankfully, third party apps are much more forgiving. Otherwise it'd be much more of an issue than it is!
I have my doubts.
It has happened several times that critical updates have only been released for the current macOS version. Critical updates for the older versions have appeared much later (or possibly not at all - I can't say for sure). Apple is quite intransparent when it comes to this topic.
The report I linked above says the same thing in the end.
So yes, there are updates. But whether you always get all of them is uncertain. And timely updates are not always available (which can be dangerous in case of a critical security issue).
There is no official statement or document from Apple about the update procedure for old versions.
Apple should clearly commit to supporting older versions here.
Apple should also clearly state when a version is no longer supported.
I've wondered about this as well. I do still receive updates, but they're probably not going to prioritize them over some of the newer Mac OS versions.
I will say that it's still been quite usable for me on Catalina, so long as I'm not sharing projects between computers on XCode or Logic. I honestly prefer running it on an older OS, as Monterey is much heavier on RAM usage than Catalina is. But I will admit that the performance was surprisingly good when I did install Monterey + OpenCore to an external drive.
Assuming OpenCore Legacy Patcher will support Ventura, this is a non-issue. You just install Ventura on unsupported hardware by following the instructions on the website and most things (if not everything) will be supported.
iOS users are SOL, there is no patcher for those unsupported devices to run iOS 16.
Sidenote: If you're an iOS dev, you really should be on a more modern machine, preferably M1 or higher. The performance benefits are night and day from Intel, and you're using it for professional work. Investing in yourself is important (if you don't work for a company where they provide you with a work machine), as you'll be using that tool every day.
this sounds like not being able to update to Ventura makes you machine unusable
LOL a lot of people that use computers for work have to use older versions of macOS because devs of a lot of non consumer used PRO programs, like in music industry for example, just don’t care to update to update them for new releases or apple just decides to drop support for something
the thing is tech savvy people like in this forum live in a bit of a bubble, not everyone is tech savvy. most of computer users don’t care about updates and they don’t even know a new one was released unless apple tells them about it. some are even afraid to update and choose not to because they are afraid it may break things which can happen.
security updates is one thing, updating just for the sake of new features is different. most people prefer to keep things as they are because they learned how to work with it and are used to it. they don’t care about fancy new features. they bought the machine as it was and don’t expect it to change.
security updates is one thing, updating just for the sake of new features is different. most people prefer to keep things as they are because they learned how to work with it and are used to it. they don’t care about fancy new features. they bought the machine as it was and don’t expect it to change.
PS: I’m running Monterey on a 2010 Mac Pro via OpenCore! Hopefully OpenCore will get Ventura working!!
Not in terms in terms of H.265 which was only available in hardware with Kaby Lake CPUs.
This is what I'm thinking too. With my hybrid work situation, lugging my work laptop back and forth to the office hasn't been nearly as bad as I thought it would be.
Finding the right dock & monitor might be a chore, but I'm hoping if the rumored 12" MB materializes, the price/spec points are right and I could just use it in the same type of plug-and-play setup (as I would ideally like to replace both my 11" MBA and my 5K iMac with this one solution)