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MacRumors Censorship

MacRumors has always been censorship Nazi's... You're gonna learn real quick that all Mac users are like that. It's worse over at Apple Discussions where it's like Yahoo China or something...You can't even say "retarded" let alone "ass" or "bitch", which is permitted here as long as it's not a direct insult to another member.

But I see where you're coming from. It's the internet, we're all grown ups, this is America, land of the free, there's no need for it- but you gotta understand that every forum reflects it's admin- and if you pay attention to his tweets you'll understand why he runs the forum the way he does. He's only human. MR is not run by free speech activists such as Eric Schmidt- no, it's run by Mac users, and as I tried to previously express, all Mac users are picky whiny cry babies. There's only one way and it's "the Mac way."

Even if Arn woke up and said "Enough with the BS, you're free to say what you want" post count would drop by 50% because these cows wouldn't know what to do with all that freedom. Arn is a product of Steve and we're a product of Arn & Steve. (at least while you're on this site) It'll drive you crazy thinking about it because on one hand, you've been told to "Think Different" but now you're told to think exactly a certain way and if you say something that's not popular or "in bad taste" you get locked, banned warned or deleted.

A great idea would be to make your own MR spin off site. Not exactly thinking different, but you could add your own twist. You're slogan could be "We're like MacRumors (only without the Nazis)" However, THIS is probably your best bet:
 
lPHONE said:
MacRumors has always been censorship Nazi's... You're gonna learn real quick that all Mac users are like that. It's worse over at Apple Discussions where it's like Yahoo China or something...You can't even say "retarded" let alone "ass" or "bitch", which is permitted here as long as it's not a direct insult to another member.

But I see where you're coming from. It's the internet, we're all grown ups, this is America, land of the free, there's no need for it- but you gotta understand that every forum reflects it's admin- and if you pay attention to his tweets you'll understand why he runs the forum the way he does. He's only human. MR is not run by free speech activists such as Eric Schmidt- no, it's run by Mac users, and as I tried to previously express, all Mac users are picky whiny cry babies. There's only one way and it's "the Mac way."

Even if Arn woke up and said "Enough with the BS, you're free to say what you want" post count would drop by 50% because these cows wouldn't know what to do with all that freedom. Arn is a product of Steve and we're a product of Arn & Steve. (at least while you're on this site) It'll drive you crazy thinking about it because on one hand, you've been told to "Think Different" but now you're told to think exactly a certain way and if you say something that's not popular or "in bad taste" you get locked, banned warned or deleted.

A great idea would be to make your own MR spin off site. Not exactly thinking different, but you could add your own twist. You're slogan could be "We're like MacRumors (only without the Nazis)" However, THIS is probably your best bet:
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You're right. The moderators and Mac users in general are just like the Nazi's. :rolleyes:
 
lPHONE said:
MacRumors has always been censorship Nazi's... You're gonna learn real quick that all Mac users are like that. It's worse over at Apple Discussions where it's like Yahoo China or something...You can't even say "retarded" let alone "ass" or "bitch", which is permitted here as long as it's not a direct insult to another member.

But I see where you're coming from. It's the internet, we're all grown ups, this is America, land of the free, there's no need for it- but you gotta understand that every forum reflects it's admin- and if you pay attention to his tweets you'll understand why he runs the forum the way he does. He's only human. MR is not run by free speech activists such as Eric Schmidt- no, it's run by Mac users, and as I tried to previously express, all Mac users are picky whiny cry babies. There's only one way and it's "the Mac way."

Even if Arn woke up and said "Enough with the BS, you're free to say what you want" post count would drop by 50% because these cows wouldn't know what to do with all that freedom. Arn is a product of Steve and we're a product of Arn & Steve. (at least while you're on this site) It'll drive you crazy thinking about it because on one hand, you've been told to "Think Different" but now you're told to think exactly a certain way and if you say something that's not popular or "in bad taste" you get locked, banned warned or deleted.

A great idea would be to make your own MR spin off site. Not exactly thinking different, but you could add your own twist. You're slogan could be "We're like MacRumors (only without the Nazis)" However, THIS is probably your best bet:
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There are so many generalizations and stereotypes in this post it blows my mind.
 
lPHONE said:
MacRumors has always been censorship Nazi's... You're gonna learn real quick that all Mac users are like that. It's worse over at Apple Discussions where it's like Yahoo China or something...You can't even say "retarded" let alone "ass" or "bitch", which is permitted here as long as it's not a direct insult to another member.

But I see where you're coming from. It's the internet, we're all grown ups, this is America, land of the free, there's no need for it- but you gotta understand that every forum reflects it's admin- and if you pay attention to his tweets you'll understand why he runs the forum the way he does. He's only human. MR is not run by free speech activists such as Eric Schmidt- no, it's run by Mac users, and as I tried to previously express, all Mac users are picky whiny cry babies. There's only one way and it's "the Mac way."

Even if Arn woke up and said "Enough with the BS, you're free to say what you want" post count would drop by 50% because these cows wouldn't know what to do with all that freedom. Arn is a product of Steve and we're a product of Arn & Steve. (at least while you're on this site) It'll drive you crazy thinking about it because on one hand, you've been told to "Think Different" but now you're told to think exactly a certain way and if you say something that's not popular or "in bad taste" you get locked, banned warned or deleted.

A great idea would be to make your own MR spin off site. Not exactly thinking different, but you could add your own twist. You're slogan could be "We're like MacRumors (only without the Nazis)" However, THIS is probably your best bet:
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100% (dis)agreed and I can also add that the global warming in conjunction with the luck of national economical growth and high unemployment rates are leading unsuspicious mucrumoers on excessive drug use which has as a result an eager evasion of hallucinative thoughts and fertilise the ground for the growth of newfangled conspiracy theories!
 
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What happened to the message of VulchR in reply to my previous message? Why it has been deleted? Bad taste?? :p
 
OP I invite you to look around at other more liberal forums, sites that host comments to stories or even some Facebook pages.
I would rather come here and have somewhat intelligent clean exchanges/debates than have to read through pages of immature postings riddled with insults and swearing.
So macrumors censors, good for them.
They are selling a product, service and image.
If people can't express themselves in a respectable manner there are other sites that will entertain less manful exchanges.
 
ironsienna said:
What happened to the message of VulchR in reply to my previous message? Why it has been deleted? Bad taste?? :p
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VulchR said:
No doubt. ;)
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I'm not going to quote chapter and verse here, but the answer is in the forum rules, which all members accept via the registration procedure. Here's a summary:

All moderation takes place for a reason - because there's some sort of rules violation. In order to protect members' privacy, we don't discuss specific cases of moderation in threads, and we ask members to do the same. The appropriate way to ask a question about specific moderation is for the member directly involved to use the Contact form. The only alternative is if the member directly involved gives us permission - in the thread - to state the reason for a specific case of moderation. (General discussions and questions about moderation are fine in public threads, just so that's clear.)

Again - all this is in the rules, and I have to say that discussions of this sort are the most constructive when all involved have actually read them. ;)
 
annk said:
I'm not going to quote chapter and verse here, but the answer is in the forum rules, which all members accept via the registration procedure. Here's a summary:

All moderation takes place for a reason - because there's some sort of rules violation. In order to protect members' privacy, we don't discuss specific cases of moderation in threads, and we ask members to do the same. The appropriate way to ask a question about specific moderation is for the member directly involved to use the Contact form. The only alternative is if the member directly involved gives us permission - in the thread - to state the reason for a specific case of moderation. (General discussions and questions about moderation are fine in public threads, just so that's clear.)

Again - all this is in the rules, and I have to say that discussions of this sort are the most constructive when all involved have actually read them. ;)
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I understand that you deleted it as an one word post, I question though the validity of such a rule. Is it because you want to promote the ratings for the posts and you think that it fits better to increase the rating of a specific post by clicking the little arrows on the lower right corner rather than posting something like "I agree" or "brilliant"? Why do you ban such posts? What would be the qualitative difference of the proclaimed post if instead of "brilliant" the poster wrote "I find your post brilliant"?

Well I don't have any intention to offend anyone, I just try to understand how you think, so in the future not to have any misunderstandings.
 
Wow, OP. 9 posts in three days for someone who "rarely posts" and nothing for the past 4 days. I can oly presume you:

1) Really care about censorship, but not so much now, or
2) Just wanted to stir the hornet's nest, or
3) Finally read the rules of MacRumors, or
4) The meds kicked in, or...

Censorship is to be fought against. However there ARE rules in society. You cannot yell "fire" in a theater and expect no repercussions. Likewise, the MacRumors society has rules. Break the rules, and expect to have your post edited or deleted. Egregiously or repeatedly break the rules (example above) and expect to be put in time out or banned.

And this is not a win/lose situation. This is an open discussion with debate and clarification. Being able to have such a debate is a win for all.
 
Some members need to be censored, the ones that will just post and run. It happens a lot in PSRI and in the open forums as well by a few well known members. We have people that will legally spam a blog by posting a topic just to get a response and then never come back to the thread to give an opinion only to start 5 more threads in the same day. Can rules be set to stop this kind of behavior?
 
eawmp1 said:
Wow, OP. 9 posts in three days for someone who "rarely posts" and nothing for the past 4 days. I can oly presume you:

1) Really care about censorship, but not so much now, or
2) Just wanted to stir the hornet's nest, or
3) Finally read the rules of MacRumors, or
4) The meds kicked in, or...

Censorship is to be fought against. However there ARE rules in society. You cannot yell "fire" in a theater and expect no repercussions. Likewise, the MacRumors society has rules. Break the rules, and expect to have your post edited or deleted. Egregiously or repeatedly break the rules (example above) and expect to be put in time out or banned.

And this is not a win/lose situation. This is an open discussion with debate and clarification. Being able to have such a debate is a win for all.
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You have a set of rules to keep the forum clean. You delete one word posts for preserving the quality of the forum.. And yet you leave posts like these in the fellow forum about the Apple's North Carolina Data Center Appears on Google Satellite Imagery:

Les Kern said:
Are my nipples supposed to get hard or what?
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Rafterman said:
It would be weird if they didn't.
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Kudos to your standards and to your fastidious supervising.

Btw I have no problem at all with the aforementioned posts. But I find it at least pretending to blindly apply a rule without checking the context of the message just for the morphological aspect of a message (i.e. one word).
 
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ironsienna said:
I understand that you deleted it as an one word post, I question though the validity of such a rule. Is it because you want to promote the ratings for the posts and you think that it fits better to increase the rating of a specific post by clicking the little arrows on the lower right corner rather than posting something like "I agree" or "brilliant"? Why do you ban such posts? What would be the qualitative difference of the proclaimed post if instead of "brilliant" the poster wrote "I find your post brilliant"?

Well I don't have any intention to offend anyone, I just try to understand how you think, so in the future not to have any misunderstandings.
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First of all, the rules on a private forum are valid simply by virtue of being decided upon by the owner/staff of a site. That applies to any private forum, not only to Macrumors. In addition, all members indicate in the registration process that they have both read and accepted the rules. So the members have also validated the rules by having accepted them. To top it off, the site owner has provided a Site and Forum Feedback section for the membership, the rules allow for discussion about the rules on a general level, and the contact form is provided for members who want to ask about specific moderation (and all contacts are guaranteed a response by an admin). I fail to see how that can be called censorship. ;)

I do personally believe there's a qualitative difference between a one-word/+1 post and a post where a member bothers to give a little more info about his/her opinion and add to the discussion in some way (and by the way, "I find your post brilliant" is basically a +1 post that adds nothing to the discussion, so no, there's no difference at all and that post would likely be deleted if it were reported).

I guess I just don't see why being prevented from creating one-word posts is considered a hardship. And as you yourself point out, there's now a voting system in place, so those members who are itching to say +1 or -1 can now do so. But my personal opinion isn't the point here. The point is that that's the way the site here is set up, and as a member I agreed to abide by that when I registered. I personally don't find it difficult or unreasonable.

I just don't think it's that big of a deal. *shrug*

MacNut said:
We have people that will legally spam a blog by posting a topic just to get a response and then never come back to the thread to give an opinion only to start 5 more threads in the same day. Can rules be set to stop this kind of behavior?
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If you see hit-and-run spamming or the type you mention, or trolling (starting off with a topic designed to rile people up and then not coming back to the thread, for example), just report it.
 
are there actually any 'public' forums on the net run by the public for the public?

no, so stop using that tired argument as a case for censorship. without members of the public, this forum wouldn't exist. in fact, for a private forum, why is there even the need for a site feedback section if any complaint about censorship gets the "its a private forum so the admins can do anything they like and if you don't like it you can leave" oft refrain spouted by the ill-informed or just plain retarts.
 
If you chose to post here, you chose to follow the rules - you agreed to them when you signed up. If you disagree with them, then either A) post whatever you want and suffer the consequences, or B) find somewhere else to post.

If you feel you want to spout off, please find somewhere else to do it. If you choose not to, then you risk your posts being edited for content. It's that simple. Don't like it? Too bad. You agreed to the rules when you signed up. This forum has tens of thousands of active members. The loss of one arrogant and offensive jerk isn't but a drop in the bucket. Hell, it's more like a drop in the ocean.
 
Alaerian said:
If you chose to post here, you chose to follow the rules - you agreed to them when you signed up. If you disagree with them, then either A) post whatever you want and suffer the consequences, or B) find somewhere else to post.

If you feel you want to spout off, please find somewhere else to do it. If you choose not to, then you risk your posts being edited for content. It's that simple. Don't like it? Too bad. You agreed to the rules when you signed up. This forum has tens of thousands of active members. The loss of one arrogant and offensive jerk isn't but a drop in the bucket. Hell, it's more like a drop in the ocean.
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I agree that everybody has to follow the rules. The discussion we are doing here is another reason for the people to read the rules and reflect on them. I don't believe in authoritative posts like yours though that promote an unswerving view of reality just for the shake of authority. You can't label anyone here that has different opinion as an offensive jerk.

We are doing a discussion here and as a democratic community discussion is the healthiest tool for improvement, even in a virtual society like this one in macrumors.

And the fact that many users didn't participate actively in the community doesn't nullify their right to discuss for improvements on the forum. The passive readers of the forum are still a major part of this virtual community. I too dont write a lot but I have been following macrumors since 2004 in a daily basis and it is really a part of my life. I care to see improvements on it even if on the first hand the reason behind them doesn't look prominent.

BTW, thanks for the response annk.. :) It completely covers my questions and reflects comprehension and quality.
 
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The term 'censorship' would only apply if all posts on MR had to be pre-approved by the U.S. Department of Truth (or whatever its name would be - probably 'truedep' in newspeak) prior to publishing.
 
ironsienna said:
IYou can't label anyone here that has different opinion as an offensive jerk.
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I sure as hell can, unless you think that using speech like gay, n****r, and the like is acceptable. Besides, I was speaking in a general sense, not directing towards an individual person
... except, perhaps, the "kind soul" several posts up who seems to have word-vomited his idea that the MR members are Nazis. :rolleyes:

Mods, if you would prefer to edit, I take no offense. Please do so if necessary. I do NOT agree with hate speech whatsoever, and terminology was provided simply as example.
 
Alaerian said:
I sure as hell can, unless you think that using speech like gay, n****r, and the like is acceptable. Besides, I was speaking in a general sense, not directing towards an individual person
... except, perhaps, the "kind soul" several posts up who seems to have word-vomited his idea that the MR members are Nazis. :rolleyes:

Mods, if you would prefer to edit, I take no offense. Please do so if necessary. I do NOT agree with hate speech whatsoever, and terminology was provided simply as example.
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Calm down please. The point that I wanted to make is that sometimes positive outcome can come out of rule discussion. Rules have been set there, and anyone that registers accepts them, but theoretically when some of them are proven inadequate it isn't embarrassing to modify them. And I was referring in particular to the one word post rule. But after the points of annk I can't question anymore it's validity.

On the other hand the social dynamics of this forum are changing by the years. The number of users is being increased, people change trends and none thinks as he was thinking at 2000 when the site was established. If during this 11 years period you just strictly apply initial rules without questioning you end up in a dead end.

Simple rules are for simple people to obey them. Complicated rules are for sophisticated people to question them. When the rule morphology changes from de-facto state to de-jure this is an indication of simple thinking as a dominant trend in a society.
 
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ironsienna said:
On the other hand the social dynamics of this forum are changing by the years. The number of users is being increased, people change trends and none thinks as he was thinking at 2000 when the site was established. If during this 11 years period you just strictly apply initial rules without questioning you end up in a dead end.

Simple rules are for simple people to obey them. Complicated rules are for sophisticated people to question them. When the rule morphology changes from de-facto state to de-jure this is an indication of simple thinking as a dominant trend in a society.
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At this point, I can't even respond to you. You appear to use "big words" because you think it will make your "point" come across better. Instead, you just sound silly.

I wasn't aware that "simple rules" that discourage hate speech, offensive language, etc were so much different 11 years ago. But, back then, saying n****r was okay, right? :rolleyes:

I think I'm done here. Go ahead and think whatever you'd like and post whatever you'd like. But again, you agree'd to the rules when you signed up, and you also agree to them every single time you log in. If you stop agreeing to them, you are free to leave. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
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