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You can use the "Report" button to report errors in News articles. The moderators will forward these to the editors for action.
I don't think that's what the OP is stating, but rather the changes were made stealthily and subsequent replies look out of place. I think the editors need to put a notice in the article of any edits or corrections made to the original article, so the subsequent discussions will make sense.
Links or it didn’t happen.
I say that somewhat facetiously, but seriously. Every time I look into this stuff, it’s a non issue compared to the fact that they have Advanced Data Protection, etc.,
Not only that, but also giving credit to said member in the article itself. Sometimes a simple thank you goes a long way to building a better community.
I’ve seen in the past where the editor replies to the correction saying thanks with a funny “oops” response - but lately, it just gets fixed and buried and yeah the thumbs downs are vicious. Lol
Sorry, can't comply. I've already had a post removed and received a warning today. I might as well just ban myself.
I think no two people in the world will always agree on what is "political" and what is not.
This is the original complaint:
I see two distinct issues here:
1) Corrections aren't usually noted in articles.
2) Corrections posted in replies are downvoted or given Haha reactions.
Issue #1 is something I have no control over. Issue #2 can be avoided by not posting corrections in replies, instead using the "Report" button to make the correction known to mods and editors. If there's no reply to react to, then issue #2 is avoided completely. This would be true even when corrections are noted in articles.
Good. (Suspended) won’t look good on you and it won’t make people like me happy either. So, thank you.
The day they nuke the "haha" reaction will be a good day.
That is overwhelmingly used for laugh trolling.
I'd be a huge fan of "positive only" emoji reactions.
Frankly, just the thumbs up or heart are enough.
It's not positively additive to the community to have "downvote" & "laughing at people" post pile ons that happen now.
There are existing threads that discuss those topics, such as:
I found those using the site search, with keyword "laugh", limited to this forum, and "Search only titles" checked.
Actually, it can be corrected by having the editors be transparent.
What's easier trying to control thousands of members doing 1 thing, or one author doing 1 thing? You'll never get the entire population to report mistakes, and not have them in included in the thread, so instead why not have the editor include a note of what was updated/corrected
That would certainly work.
The suggestion to use the Report button wasn't trying to control thousands of members, or even dozens. It was simply a way for any member to avoid posts that may lead to upset. It puts the choice in the hands of the individual, rather than waiting for a site policy to change. If a member isn't bothered by reactions to their corrections posts, then they can keep making those posts.
That is all I and the OP was asking. So in reality the suggestion that people report the post and not responding in the thread is effectively impractical and unworkable.
What is impractical or unworkable about using Report? We receive reports now that provide corrections, which we forward to the editors. Any member who does this will have no posted correction in the thread. If there isn't a post to receive reactions, how could someone become upset about non-existent reactions on a non-existent post?
Please note that it's a suggestion for any individual member to use or not. If a member is worried they'll receive upsetting reactions, then it's completely practical for them to Report the article and state the correction. We will forward those to the editors, as we do now.
If the site changes the policy to always note corrections, then using Report will still work to inform the editors of a correction. We'll continue to forward those reports.
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Its impractical and unworkable to expect every member not to reply in a news story when the editors make a mistake, misstate a fact or have a confusing statement.
You seem hung up with the reporting part, that's not the problem. The problem is when people post in a news story and then the editors silently make a corrections.
I never suggested that every member use Report, or not post a reply. Please reread my original post, where I used the word "can", not "must" or "should" or "is expected to". I've continued to state that it's an option available to any individual who wants to use it, not that it's required or expected.
I've alrady stated that I see 2 distinct issues, one of which neither I nor any individual member can control (i.e. site policy). Not once have I stated or implied that using Report will address that issue. The other issue (making a post that may garner upsetting reactions) is under individual control. I continue to see the issues as distinct, with different ways of resolving them.
likewise, please reread my post, and instead of arguing, over some minor bits, please convey to the editors, that it would be in the best interest of everyone if they include remarks of what was edited when they correct an article.
Is Mac Rumors biased? No, I really don't think so.
Does Mac Rumors overbomb with "sponsored" content and very thinly disguised ads? Yes, but I guess that's how they make money. It's annoying but understandable.
Does Mac Rumors allow and actively enable biased and borderline offensive posting to increase clicks and views? I very much think so, and that's worrying.
"The squeakiest wheel gets the most oil" is a problem when the "squeakiest wheels" enjoy insulting other posters, either directly or indirectly, and drag what could be interesting discussion to shouty idiocy.
It think both moderation and editorial decisions on the site have decided that clicks are more valuable then fact-checking and maintaining a basic standard of acceptable behavior.
Social Media has gone down the toilet for this reason, Twitter is not the model to emulate.
Does Mac Rumors overbomb with "sponsored" content and very thinly disguised ads? Yes, but I guess that's how they make money. It's annoying but understandable.
Does Mac Rumors allow and actively enable biased and borderline offensive posting to increase clicks and views? I very much think so, and that's worrying.
"The squeakiest wheel gets the most oil" is a problem when the "squeakiest wheels" enjoy insulting other posters, either directly or indirectly, and drag what could be interesting discussion to shouty idiocy.
It think both moderation and editorial decisions on the site have decided that clicks are more valuable then fact-checking and maintaining a basic standard of acceptable behavior.
Social Media has gone down the toilet for this reason, Twitter is not the model to emulate.
What constitutes a "squeaky wheel" or "shouty idiocy" is highly subjective.
If you see anyone insulting others, you should please report those posts.
So we have an invisible cat in the chair situation then. You are claiming something and just expecting me to take it on faith. Like I said, whenever I have looked into these situations in the past, I end up looking a little foolish for trying to say Apple is “just like Microsoft or Google.” I am not saying that is what you are directly saying, just that every time I say it, I end up with proverbial egg on my face.
Ah well.
Reporting only has value if who you are reporting to is reliable and objective enough to actually act on the reporting, rather than pandering to “number go up” with regards to clicks and views.
And no, “squeaky Sioux” and outright bigotry is NOT mostly subjective.
It is not more reporting that is needed. What is needed is more self-awareness in te management of the forum.
Moderators do not benefit from "clicks and views". We moderate within the forum rules.
Anyone that want's to see this 'bias' in action, wait until MR does a post about Apple increasing Tim Cook's wages and bonuses or about Apple's involvement in China and watch how many on topic legitimate negative posts get removed for being classed as 'off topic' or 'political in a non political thread' when they are not but it gives MR the excuse to remove them. MR will always find a way to remove legitimate negative posts about Apple because they do not want to upset the relationship they have with Apple.
There are threads in MR going back years where members have reported that Apple are known to remove negative posts from their own support community site. Here Apple cannot do that so they rely on the relationship between Apple and the site owner to make sure bad negativity about Apple get's removed. If you don't believe me, wait till those two topics get reported on and watch how many on topic negative posts get removed.
There are threads in MR going back years where members have reported that Apple are known to remove negative posts from their own support community site. Here Apple cannot do that so they rely on the relationship between Apple and the site owner to make sure bad negativity about Apple get's removed. If you don't believe me, wait till those two topics get reported on and watch how many on topic negative posts get removed.
I'm generally a black and white sort of person, so in my mind you're either right or wrong with your allegations.
If you're right, then the staff is biased and will remove posts that are not aligned with their biases. What can anyone do about that? Nothing. The staff will produce content, and handle's user replies as they see fit. You highlighting this bias will not alter it (again assuming your allegations were correct which they are not).
If you're wrong and the staff is not showing bias, then its clear that you are unhappy with how the staff manages MacRumors regardless if the moderators remove both right and left leaning posts. This begs the question, why do you frequent a site and expend so much energy at a place that you're clearly unhappy with?
As a former moderator, I can say with 100% certainty that the staff is accused equally of being too liberal, too conservative. being actively pro-apple/pro-Tim Cook, and being anti-apple/anti-Tim Cook.