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You continue to make the assertion that shallow DoF makes a photo interesting, that's where the dog turd photo comes into play, it's just an example of something that proves shallow DoF does not just make a photo interesting. I'm done discussing the topic really, if you believe that shallow DoF makes a photo, more power to you.

I'm not sure why you keep beating down on this straw man, but I'll say it one last time. Shallow DoF is a stylistic effect that can work well for some subjects. It does not work for all subjects, and insufficient DoF can ruin certain other subjects.

The mere availability of this stylistic feature doesn't mean you must use it for all images henceforth. Can you agree with that?
 
This i shoot where i live and this is a good photo, no Photoshop! This can´t be made with iPhone

Nikon D800 (FX) & Nikon 16mm. The contrasts between sky and land equalized with LEE ND 0.9 degree + Big stopper to get to the ending time of 150 seconds. Used with the stand
 

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I'm not sure why you keep beating down on this straw man, but I'll say it one last time. Shallow DoF is a stylistic effect that can work well for some subjects. It does not work for all subjects, and insufficient DoF can ruin certain other subjects.

The mere availability of this stylistic feature doesn't mean you must use it for all images henceforth. Can you agree with that?

I've already agreed with that the whole time. It can make a photo better when it is called for but in no way does it make a boring photo/subject interesting.
 
There is a marked difference between "photography" and "taking snapshots"

Taking a snapshot is an act of photography, in the fundamental meaning of the word. Of course there are also the hobby, the vocation and the art of photography, all of which try to distance themselves from taking snapshots.
 
This i shoot where i live and this is a good photo, no Photoshop! This can´t be made with iPhone

Nikon D800 (FX) & Nikon 16mm. The contrasts between sky and land equalized with LEE ND 0.9 degree + Big stopper to get to the ending time of 150 seconds. Used with the stand
I can never, EVER get my water looking that soft :(

But then again, I often don't have my tripod with me
 
Taking a snapshot is an act of photography, in the fundamental meaning of the word. Of course there are also the hobby, the vocation and the art of photography, all of which try to distance themselves from taking snapshots.
actually, no

One of the primary distinctions of "photography" is the application of Light, Science and Art.

the "art" portion is very important to the photography world. Randomly running around and taking snapshots just to preserve memories often does not include (though doesn't necessarily preclude) artistic Merritt. Taking a photo of your kids while swinging is cute and fun, but doesn't automatically make it photography.

Often, People use the words "Photography" and "taking photos" interchangeably, but, they aren't necessarily so. The intention of the person taking the photo is really what sets the two apart.

edit: generally, in this conversation thread though, I agree with you. Slapping a filter on a picture doesn't make it photography. Nor does it magically automatically make it artistic or even a good photo.

But the social media crowd, especially young people snapping their food, putting a coloured filter and uploading it as "art" seem to be those who are at the forefront of this movement that allows for such easy confusion between what photography is and what taking a photo is.
 
What is a good photo ?
This is just taken photos of nothing, i will not publish photos from my child for an example. This is just how people take ordinary photo when they take up a camera and shoot.
I had several DSLR´s because i loved the Bokeh effect, but for 9 of 10 times i needed to carry a bag for all equipment, several linses and so on. For now i use the iPhone for all photos and i am pleased with the photo iPhone 7 produce. Yes it´s not a DSLR compared camera, far away but who cares ? I am not interested to induce big wall of my photos. It´s for my personal use. The best camera is the camera you carry with you.

I am not a Pro and for the most of the people i don´t think they are either. I published this because i think someone could think it useful to compare a DSLR with an iPhone and of most case i think iPhone users don´t use iPhone 7 for
professional mission :p

I guess that I'm not being able to make myself clear here. My problem isn't with the photos. My problem is with the "MacRumors readers share BEAUTIFUL (...)" statement. There's nothing beautiful about a crappy photo of a bush. With this, what happens is that photography is becoming more and more underrated. Get it?
 
Bokeh is supposed to be shaped like the aperture, ideally. That means whether or not the aperture blades are rounded, its going to be circular and if they're not (old or specific lenses), they're going to have polygonal shape with the number of sides mirroring number of aperture blades. It's most apparent on intense lightning spots.

Bokeh is the separation of the foreground and blurring background.

As for the different shapes aperant in the blur, it happens because of different lens elements.

You and everyone else are used to seeing shapes in the blur because bokeh is something you commonly see on more expensive cameras. Just because you're used to seeing this doesn't mean that is what bokeh is supposed to always look like.

You and everyone else here who thinks they're a pro please stop trying to give bokeh a meaning which it is not. I will say it again. Bokeh simply means a background blur in a picture.
 
I for one am excited for this. Is it as good as a DSLR? No where even close! But for those shots that I am out and about, and I don't want to drag out my 7D, attach my 50mm 1.4f, etc, OR sit at my desk and apply my own bokeh in PS, this will work great! If you don't like the way it looks, switch it off portrait mode and you get the standard phone shot.

Geez people, stop criticizing or showing how great your DSLR shots are compared to the iP7+. Apple is not trying to replace your DSLR, they're just advancing the tech forward. If they took the approach of "We can't ever make it look as good as a DSLR" we'd still be shooting with iPhone 3G cameras!
 
Over what? I don't make my living off photography at all and it is simply a hobby that gets me out to explore awesome places. I just tire of the mentality that stuff like this makes something better by default. It's the same with rubbish over-processing via HDR and all of that.

But yeah, guess I am just insecure. :rolleyes:
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Dude, I wouldn't even waste your time here, you'll just be listed as a "snob with DSLR" and whatnot. Sad but hey, that seems to be MR for ya!

I don't have a DSLR. BOOOOOMMMMMMM. And btw I started doing photography about 20 years ago, and I'm the first one saying that the camera doesn't matter at all. It matters what you do with it.
My problem is not with the iPhone which takes amazing photos. My problem is with calling a photo of a bush, or a bad photo of a cat, a beautiful photo.
 
Why is it a stupid idea? It works very well in some circumstances. It's still in beta and Apple stated it won't work in all circumstances, but it works well in many portraits.

People don't want to carry a large DSLR everywhere they go. It is heavy and cumbersome. People already carry their phones with them everywhere they go; this is a great tool to have at your disposal. Many people like to just share their photos online nowadays and apply filters, so this effect is great for that since it does not require all of the details to be perfect and replicates what you would achieve with a much larger camera.

This is not meant to replace a DSLR, it is simply another tool to add to your cell phone photo experience.
Right. The idea itself is a good one. This particular effect is one of the most attractive elements of an SLR for portraits and such.

Unfortunately, the implementation doesn't look any better than others' attempts at simulating the effect. Those edge artifacts are really, really noticeable, even at tiny forum sizes (look at the edges of the child in jerome's pic: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...h-iphone-7-plus.2002545/page-11#post-23630320 ). At full size they're completely obvious and distracting.

It's an OK attempt, but I won't be using it. It detracts from what would otherwise be an excellent shot, IMO. Maybe there are other cases where it works better, and maybe it will improve before coming out of beta, but the shots in this thread are not impressive.
 
I guess that I'm not being able to make myself clear here. My problem isn't with the photos. My problem is with the "MacRumors readers share BEAUTIFUL (...)" statement. There's nothing beautiful about a crappy photo of a bush. With this, what happens is that photography is becoming more and more underrated. Get it?
Because it IS a "BEAUTIFUL" picture taken with a SMARTPHONE! Repeat... a SMARTPHONE!
 
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This i shoot where i live and this is a good photo, no Photoshop! This can´t be made with iPhone

Nikon D800 (FX) & Nikon 16mm. The contrasts between sky and land equalized with LEE ND 0.9 degree + Big stopper to get to the ending time of 150 seconds. Used with the stand

I can never, EVER get my water looking that soft :(

But then again, I often don't have my tripod with me

+1 .
Not everyone cares nor wants to analyze the techincality properties of a picture : hence "take a look at the big picture"

It's the photograpger that makes a picture ...Not the other way around.
Iphone 7+'s "fake" Dof is just an additional tool for a photographer to convey his:her intentions through the Picture .

I love my Nikon Dslr too ... but my iphone 7+ has a "better" camera , why ???
because I have it with me at all time ;-)
 
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This i shoot where i live and this is a good photo, no Photoshop! This can´t be made with iPhone

Nikon D800 (FX) & Nikon 16mm. The contrasts between sky and land equalized with LEE ND 0.9 degree + Big stopper to get to the ending time of 150 seconds. Used with the stand

Well no shi!t Einstein, of course an iPhone won't be able to produce a picture like this. It sure as hell will be able to produce some fine looking photos though, then again there are too many "Pros" in MR that will swarm in here stating any pictures taken from the iPhone looks horrible or that whoever took the picture has no photography skills.
 
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Well no shi!t Einstein, of course an iPhone won't be able to produce a picture like this. It sure as hell will be able to produce some fine looking photos though, then again there are too many "Pros" in MR that will swam in here stating any pictures taken from the iPhone looks horrible or that whoever took the picture has no photography skills.

Did you even read my first post? I don't think that Einstein
 
This i shoot where i live and this is a good photo, no Photoshop! This can´t be made with iPhone

Nikon D800 (FX) & Nikon 16mm. The contrasts between sky and land equalized with LEE ND 0.9 degree + Big stopper to get to the ending time of 150 seconds. Used with the stand



Actually you can get some pretty good long exposure photographs with any camera. Here is a tutorial for long exposure with the iPhone:

http://iphonephotographyschool.com/long-exposure/
 
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This i shoot where i live and this is a good photo, no Photoshop! This can´t be made with iPhone

Nikon D800 (FX) & Nikon 16mm. The contrasts between sky and land equalized with LEE ND 0.9 degree + Big stopper to get to the ending time of 150 seconds. Used with the stand

Absolutely Beautiful photo can you teach me to do that with my Canon 5D mark II? I hate post processing.
 
The iPhone 7 images are pretty good, and they will only get better and better. 9 depth layers today, 1000+ in a few years. I'm sure we will have apps that will simulate specific characteristics from different lens.
I'm thinking that a few years down the line we'll end up with a phone that has small-but-capable lenses at all four corners of the back, and it uses the images from whichever ones happen to be uncovered at any given point to stitch together better composite images.
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I have this feeling that we're going to see A LOT of random objects / persons with a blurred background in the next weeks/ months...
I wanna see pictures with totally blurred people in the foreground and razor sharp majestic backgrounds.
 
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