MacRumors videos

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  1. sidewinder3000 macrumors 6502a


    Jan 29, 2010
    I love MacRumors, but I find Dan From MacRumors often difficult to watch. Something about the combination of his unnecessary editorializing while he butchers the English language turns me off.

    Most egregious to the ear is his constant mispronunciations of the most ubiquitous word in the English language: the. He repeatedly fails to properly navigate the difference between “thuh” (before words starting with consonants) and “thee” (before words starting with a vowel). It makes it very hard to take anything he says seriously, and after a few minutes it feels like verbal waterboarding.

    Beyond the word “the”, a few days ago, he uncorked this doosey in a Pixel 3 video:
    “Because of the more premium materials THAT’S found on the iPhone XS Max, the 3 XL does feel a little bit lighter to hold, and this is a little more comfortable to hold in my opinion.” A) “Premium materials” is plural, so “that are” is the correct conjugation. This kind of awkward phrasing is more frequent than it should be. And B) Why not end that sentence with “lighter to hold”? Everything after that is editorializing from a source that I don’t find credible. As a viewer, I’m interested in facts, not Dan’s opinion.

    I’ve written about this before. I think this site is too good to continue to allow this kind of second rate video reporting to continue. Please have a conversation with Dan From MacRumors about how and when to say he word the vs. thē. I know it’s probably a lifelong habit and will be hard to break. But it will seriously boost his professionalism and perceived credibility. And ask him to stop passive aggressive editorializing about Apple products. If there is a factual difference between an iOS product and an Android product, it’s helpful to point it out. But too often it comes across as dig, born from a pro-Android/anti-Apple bias. Dan is not Joanna Stern or David Pogue. Or even Marquis Brownlee. I’d prefer he state the facts so the reader can form their own opinion. What he thinks matters very little to me as he seems to have a Android bias, and a rather shallow understanding of how and why Apple designs products they way they do. So many of his digs and opinions come off as ignorant or without nuance or insight. As a reader of an Apple focused news site whose articles consistently do a good job of maintaining journalistic integrity, I expect the same from its informational videos.
  2. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere


    May 16, 2008
    Yes, let's start a dozen threads about various ways that people around the globe pronounce "the". Then let's start a dozen more about the word "nitpicking", and several more threads talking about the fact that no matter what anyone on the planet does, there will always be someone in the crowd throwing stones.

    OR ........ those who don't like watching any particular video from any particular person could simply opt not to watch them. Nah, that would be too logical and reasonable! :rolleyes:

    (By the way, Dan, thanks for all that you do for MacRumors, despite being a less-than-perfect human!)
  3. Mac'nCheese Suspended


    Feb 9, 2010
    I can’t listen to certain podcasts because I can’t stand when someone says “like” all the time. Once I hear it, that’s all I focus on. And I don’t mean that I hate hearing it all the time, just when someone uses it too much. Especially on a podcast where the person is supposed to be an expert and they sound like a semi-illiterate child.
  4. BasicGreatGuy Contributor


    Sep 21, 2012
    In the middle of several books.
    While you are perched high on your horse, consider that there may be personal reasons (physical or otherwise) why Dan does the things he does. It is possible, that Dan has had to work very hard to get where he is today.

    Dan's videos are not meant to be in depth product summaries and reviews. His videos are short for a reason. A lot of people want short bullet points, or focus on a new feature. There are plenty of other sources on the internet for more substantive informational product videos.

    I have noticed Dan's slight bias for Android and it doesn't bother me. I am able to research and make up my own mind about products and events.

    In my opinion, Dan does a fine job with what he is asked to do, even if his videos aren't perfect in every way every single time. None of us is perfect. From what I have seen, Dan has a lot more going on than just MacRumors videos.

    In my opinion, I think you are nitpicking a bit too much, OP. If you watch his videos and haven't learned anything new or useful, realize that there are hundreds of thousands of other people (who may not be technically inclined) who do find his short videos useful in some manner.

    As readers of your thread, should we focus on and nitpick the errors found in your writing, or would you rather the readers extrapolate the core subject and intent of your writing, so that they can formulate a reasoned opinion and possible retort to your thread?

    While I appreciate that MacRumors has been kind enough to allow us to voice our opinions freely, (within the terms of service) I also recognize that sometimes it is best if one takes a step back from the computer, and ruminate further on the intent and action of communication, lest one fall over his or her own footsteps in a rush to point out the unique particles of sand on a beach.
  5. sidewinder3000, Jun 13, 2019 at 12:12 AM
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2019 at 12:25 AM

    sidewinder3000 thread starter macrumors 6502a


    Jan 29, 2010
    My apologies for holding the people who present live on web content to the ridiculously high standard of... basic English. Just like journalists must have a bare minimum of writing skills, presenters should have a bare minimum of speaking skills. It’s not about nitpicking, or any other superficial standard you seems to be applying. It’s about eliminating distractions and being professional so that the content shines through.

    Also, you’re right, I could opt to not watch the video. I could read the articles at this site and then go and watch the videos of another site. And give those sites and their advertisers more clicks and views. Taking away from MacRumors. But I’m a grown up. And when I see something offputting from a trusted news source that I enjoy, I send feedback. It would be really nice to not have to find videos elsewhere, and to give the site I like more clicks & views.

    You’re free to have standards as low as you want. And start as many pointlessly sarcastic grammar threads as you want. I’ll keep expecting quality reporting from the site I enjoy and respect.
    --- Post Merged, Jun 13, 2019 at 12:22 AM ---
    If there are physical reasons why Dan cannot pronounce the word “the” correctly, then I do apologize. There’s no apparent reason to draw that conclusion, but were it to be true, I’d withdraw my feedback.

    For years, Tom Brokaw read the news for NBC with an obvious speech impediment. But it never effected his understanding of English grammar, and the basic rules of pronunciation.

    You are free to nitpick my grammar, if that’s how you wanna spend your time. I will point out, however, that I’m not paid to write in these forums, and I don’t represent a respected journalism brand. I’m just a fan of the site giving feedback to the publishers and editors. It happens thousands of times a day at papers and sites all around the world.
  6. SandboxGeneral Moderator emeritus


    Sep 8, 2010
    This thread reminds me of this classic xkcd comic.

    Duty calls:
  7. bigjnyc macrumors 603


    Apr 10, 2008
    There are hundreds of youtubers that cover Apple products you have your pick... Just because you read Macrumors doesn't mean you are obligated to watch their youtube videos... If you prefer someone who is "RA-RA! Apple is great who do we appreciate!!" there are a few of those try iJustine or everythingapplepro they have the passion you are looking for. There is something out there for everyone so instead of criticizing go out there and find what works for you.
  8. ericgtr12 macrumors 65816


    Mar 19, 2015
    I have personally always liked Dan's videos and find them to be both informative and educational. If you're going to nitpick through every word with a magnifying glass you'll likely always find a flaw, if you simply want to be informed about new features, etc. without sweating the small stuff it'll be an enjoyable experience. YMMV.
  9. I7guy macrumors Core


    Nov 30, 2013
    Gotta be in it to win it
    Dan does much better than I ever could. I find his easy going style appealing to me and he communicates his intent very well. I view Youtube videos as ad-hoc and don’t expect a professional video, but I do expect a good video. Dan delivers good videos, IMO.
  10. Ulenspiegel macrumors 68040


    Nov 8, 2014
    Land of Flanders and Elsewhere

    Your thread that shows an unprecedented obsession with Dan and amongst others his definite article reminds me of Melvin from "As Good as It Gets" (1997.). Especially the scene below:

  11. ChrisChaval macrumors 6502


    Aug 30, 2016
    I like Dan

    and even more so after THAT toilet test

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