Macs are more secure, not just because Windows has more marketshare...

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by dcb
Neither does Apple! What about faulty power cables that aren't only faulty, but are a serious safety hazard. Where is the due DILEGENCE (Correct Term) there? Even worst. appple won't even admit to thje problem! MS has 3rd parties attacking it's OS, Apple is threatening peoples lives with faulty power cords. MS provides patches so consumers can avoid viruses...Apple has to be taken to court so their hardware won't Kill people!

First off dcb take a deep breath and calm down.
Second.

Legal terms search
due care
: the care that an ordinarily reasonable and prudent person would use under the same or similar circumstances
(called also ordinary care, reasonable care)
(see also due diligence)
(compare fault negligence)

It’s a legit term not 100% accurate but close enough for the purposes of this discussion. Stop nitpicking.

Third. How widespread is this problem? Is this a common problem in Macs? Has it been in multiple version of its hardware? I know next to nothing about previous version of Mac hardware and honestly that's beyond the scope of what we are talking here. We are talking OS. MS doesn't do computer hardware so its difficult to blame then for something they don't make. I would agree if this is a widespread problem then Apple should do something about it. I remember the batteries that were in a specific model of Mac laptops that has the possibility to burst into flames. If memory serves Apple did a recall on that one.
My examples were not to be taken totally literally. They are meant to point out that in any given industry you are expected to do “due diligence” on your product to the point that it should be reasonably safe of defects. Ya I’m basically spouting at this point because I’m not a lawyer. I can ask tomorrow because I work in an insurance brokerage company that lives/eats/breaths risk assessment. I’d be very much interested in seeing if there are ANY laws that pertain to quality of software. I very much doubt it. Otherwise MS would have been screwed years ago.

 

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by dcb
Sorry, but stealing is stealing in the eyes of the law, so if the door was open and the car was running, they guy or gal who took it is still a criminal and will still be prosecuted!

-dcb

Y'know what? You're right. Bad example. It's too muddy to be a good one. Yes, the theives (virus writers) would be prosecuted, but the owner of the car would probably not be covered by insurance on the loss due to the Negligence Clause , and perhaps be the suspect of an investigation into Insurance Fraud.

 

[dcb]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
First off dcb take a deep breath and calm down.
Second.


It’s a legit term not 100% accurate but close enough for the purposes of this discussion. Stop nitpicking.

DCB is very calm...quite enjoying this discussion as a matter of fact

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Third. How widespread is this problem? Is this a common problem in Macs? Has it been in multiple version of its hardware?

http://www.apple-power-adapter-complaints.com/

That is not to mention a bevy of other issues that I won't get into to bog down this thread! But this is very relevant. This discussion has to do with the lesser of two evils, Apple or Microsoft. Understandably (but not necessarily justifiably), this discussion and this forum is Apple biased..we are discussing company accountability as well as OS and Apple has it's shortcomings too. There is a difference though...Apple does NOT admit to it's shortcomings...MS, well maybe they don't either, but at least MS recognizes them.

Back to the direct topic.

There have been a lot of car anologies, so I will keep with the tradition. You buy a vehicle knowing that there is going to be maintenence involoved. Nonetheless, you don't change your oil, check your fluids, etc. When you blow an engine...whose fault is that? Even if the buyer didn't know that there is maintenence involoved, the manufacturer has maintenence information in the book. MS is even BETTER at letting people know that there is maintenence involoved. A ballon pops up and basically says UPDATE ME! Click Here, Update Me! What more can a company do?


Who all of a sudden proclaimed that a computer was a plug in play system with no maintenence? HOw many times do you repair permissions, use mac janitor, etc? That is basic maintenence, and prevents your OS from crashing...right?

 

[dcb]

Originally posted by bobindashadows
Ooh, but you forgot one thing in this little analogy. The people who sold you the house did not make enough of an effort to tell the owner that unless they want to be robbed, they have to fix the door. Sure, if you saw the door you'd know that it needed to be fixed, but what if the door was hidden to the person who bought the house, and only the burglar knew about it? Do you think they should have known that they bought an OS with an open door? Further, do you think they should have been informed that the door was open and had a hole in it anybody could crawl though? Because not every person running XP (or any other affected system) knew about that hole.

That's what an inspector is for. ie Third party vendor...much like norton, symantec, other virus protection programs. Not to mention the fact that MS users were told and repeatedly reminded to update their computers.

 

[bobindashadows]

Originally posted by dcb
That's what an inspector is for. ie Third party vendor...much like norton, symantec, other virus protection programs. Not to mention the fact that MS users were told and repeatedly reminded to update their computers.

Do you honestly think every MS user knew?

And are you suggesting that every person must hire an inspector or they are responsible for any problems that arise? What if the person can't afford an inspector? Are they screwed?

 

[dcb]

Originally posted by bobindashadows
And are you suggesting that every person must hire an inspector or they are responsible for any problems that arise? What if the person can't afford an inspector? Are they screwed?

It was an analogy tying in with your last post...you purchase a home, the bank usually requires an inspection and it is always a good ideal!

A computer - isn't it always a good idea to have virus protection? As for cost, there are free virus scan engines on the web. You can use free email services such as Hotmail or yahoo that scan for viruses and so on.

Do you honestly think every MS user knew?

No, I don't. But ignorance is no excuse!

 

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by dcb
No, I don't. But ignorance is no excuse!

-dcb

Agreed. It may not be an excuse, but it's a reality.

I feel this conversation is beginning to go back on itself now, are we actually getting anywhere anymore? Or has the law of diminishing returns landed on this thread?