ouimetnick
macrumors 68040
Apple never advertised or tried marketing the Xserve. Same with the Mac Pro. Its kinda obvious that if you don't tell anyone about it... it won't get much attention.
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Macs Landing on Corporate Desks, Led by iPhones and iPads
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Apple never advertised or tried marketing the Xserve. Same with the Mac Pro. Its kinda obvious that if you don't tell anyone about it... it won't get much attention.
Icaras
macrumors 603
There are definitely people living in a "post PC era" because I know some. Sorry, but I disagree.
AustinIllini
macrumors G5
As long as Dell laptops are super (SUPER SUPER) cheap, I imagine their dominance should continue.
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
You noticed the complete lack of XServe ads in those freebie IT "pro" magazines.
Mr. Retrofire
macrumors 603
Apple has a great chance with Mac OS X 10.8 and new hardware designs 2013/2014. Let us hope, they use it. The current iToy design of the hardware & OS is not enough (MBPs & MP excluded). Besides that, OS X needs a new file system like Windows 8, and other user-friendly innovations (like Mac OS X 10.5; Time Machine, for example). A serious change of the Lion GUI is also necessary (colors are important).
Not surprising. The company I work for has over 10,000 employees globally. Almost everyone I know with a corporate phone uses the iPhone. iPads are also being deployed now, mostly with senior management. While all computers are still based on the wintel platform, there's been direct talks to open it up to Macs.
Dweez
macrumors 65816
My employer recently began to allow us to choose Macs over Windows laptops. Our IT organization, however, is Windows-only. So we are left to support ourselves.
I've been using my personal MBP as my work laptop for about 10 months, however my shiney new corporate MBP will be arriving here any day now.
I've been using my personal MBP as my work laptop for about 10 months, however my shiney new corporate MBP will be arriving here any day now.
You hit a lot of nails on the head...here are some more (and still not a complete list):
1)Apple has no enterprise quality Tech Support
2)Apple has no servers
3)Apple's my-way-or-the-highway approach to 100% Apple does is not an approach any company likes
4)Apple's OS compared to Windows...there's really no enterprise class software (client or server) that runs on Mac...and developers are not going to start building Mac OS enterprise apps anytime soon.
5)Apple has clearly marketed themselves as a consumer-based company. Apple is more of a Sony than a Dell or HP. Macs really seem to be Apple's side business and have for the past 10+ years.
The iMacs are very nice consumer machines...but in the enterprise they just don't fit on any kind of true adoption. A few sprinkled here and there.
I was just appointed Apple support for my fortune 400 company. For years we were Windows only but the iPad and iPhone have made inroads for Apple.
So now I get free Apple gear 🙂
So now I get free Apple gear 🙂
*LTD*
macrumors G4
Mr. Retrofire
macrumors 603
...with glossy displays (the iMac display, the Apple Cinema Display). Yeah, right!
excuses excuses.
And you're trying to tell me Apple launched a product and NEVER advertised? Yeah, right. I saw the ads for years.
steve2112
macrumors 68040
This is true. With most vendors I have dealt with, the enterprise line of products tend to be way better than the typical consumer level stuff. Dell's Optiplex desktops tend to be better than the cheap consumer level lines. Their Latitude and Precision notebooks also tend to way better than the cheap Inspirions and similar models. And most of them cost more than $500, simply because they built better.
AustinIllini
macrumors G5
A new file system is necessary? Why? Apple plans on unseating Outlook, Word, and Excel for Mail, Pages, and Numbers? Maybe, I guess. I don't see Mac unseating Microsoft at their own game (enterprise software)
Amazing? No. Not at all. It's pretty boring and par for the course.
You clearly aren't in IT. As "easy" as Mac computers are - they still require support - both for the machine and for the user. Any person that states otherwise is living in fantasyland.
chrmjenkins
macrumors 603
Why WOULDN'T they, I say!
I work in corporate I.T. myself, and quite frankly, I'd be ecstatic if employees here started asking for Macs and we got permission to issue them!
When purchasing, you're typically asked to go get bids from 3 different suppliers. Plenty of people will sell you a Mac. I could go to PC Mall or PC Connection for example, or Micro Center or Insight. Any number of authorized Apple resellers might be willing to give me different offers on a corporate purchase - especially if it was a large system order. We even have a local Apple reseller in town (Mac HQ) who would do such a thing, probably even throwing in free delivery and setup if I wanted it.
And trust me, no medium to large-sized business I know of cares how "serviceable" a design a computer has, any more than they care how serviceable the design is of the microwave oven or mini-fridge they bought for the break room.
They care about overall reliability statistics, which means every time one of those Windows PCs gives a user problems and it has to be re-imaged or have malware removal run on it? That's a mark against its reliability. Macs are generally pretty reliable computers from the hardware angle too. Like anything, you can find exceptions -- but there's certainly no reason I'd believe the average iMac, Mac Pro or even Mac Mini would experience higher failure rates in hardware than anything else I might buy for the purpose.
To be fair, "lack of roadmap" is something that irritates software developers. If I worked for a company that coded and supported its own custom software, I'd definitely take the argument into consideration, if the developers were complaining about it. For everyone else? I think it's a bogus complaint. Apple currently uses the same Intel CPUs everyone else does, so most delays and expected release dates for new systems revolve around Intel's roadmap, utlimately. If you're worried about more details on the smaller changes? Keep up with sites like this one, and you'll know as much as anyone about what's LIKELY to happen next. It's not like Dell or HP gives me advanced previews of new models, many months before they're ready!
I work in corporate I.T. myself, and quite frankly, I'd be ecstatic if employees here started asking for Macs and we got permission to issue them!
When purchasing, you're typically asked to go get bids from 3 different suppliers. Plenty of people will sell you a Mac. I could go to PC Mall or PC Connection for example, or Micro Center or Insight. Any number of authorized Apple resellers might be willing to give me different offers on a corporate purchase - especially if it was a large system order. We even have a local Apple reseller in town (Mac HQ) who would do such a thing, probably even throwing in free delivery and setup if I wanted it.
And trust me, no medium to large-sized business I know of cares how "serviceable" a design a computer has, any more than they care how serviceable the design is of the microwave oven or mini-fridge they bought for the break room.
They care about overall reliability statistics, which means every time one of those Windows PCs gives a user problems and it has to be re-imaged or have malware removal run on it? That's a mark against its reliability. Macs are generally pretty reliable computers from the hardware angle too. Like anything, you can find exceptions -- but there's certainly no reason I'd believe the average iMac, Mac Pro or even Mac Mini would experience higher failure rates in hardware than anything else I might buy for the purpose.
To be fair, "lack of roadmap" is something that irritates software developers. If I worked for a company that coded and supported its own custom software, I'd definitely take the argument into consideration, if the developers were complaining about it. For everyone else? I think it's a bogus complaint. Apple currently uses the same Intel CPUs everyone else does, so most delays and expected release dates for new systems revolve around Intel's roadmap, utlimately. If you're worried about more details on the smaller changes? Keep up with sites like this one, and you'll know as much as anyone about what's LIKELY to happen next. It's not like Dell or HP gives me advanced previews of new models, many months before they're ready!
This is how you save space on your desk (in order of efficiency):
* you use special furniture that has special compartments/shelves for computer
* you buy a PC that can be placed in vertical position
* you attach small PC to the back of your monitor:
* you buy Mac Mini
a.gomez
macrumors 6502a
335 Million Windows pc in 2011
16 to 17 million OSX pc in 2011
329,000 windows PC at GE
1,000 osx pilot program at GE
Basically most do not.
Ummmm...as has been for thousands of years...even if something is deemed the
"best" (as defined in a billion ways) doesn't mean it will dominate or win.
If Wintel servers weren't reliable for the last 20+ years, they wouldn't be alive. If they weren't scalable, they wouldn't be alive. If they weren't secure...if they weren't affordable...etc.
There are plenty of Unix-based boxes in corporate America...but alas, for a lot of reasons, Apple is not one of them.
Even if Apple does a complete 180 and touts to the world "We are bringing back Mac servers! We are going to launch corporate-focused selling!" nobody will buy. Apple never should have killed off the server line. Folks that were cut off will not trust Apple. Folks that are prospects won't trust Apple.
Apple has never, EVER, been friendly with businesses. Which is fine. But I think it's a pretty stupid policy being a computer company...oooops...WAS a computer company.
Consultant
macrumors G5
You obviously don't understand the fact that just about all Fortune 500 companies are using Apple iOS devices.
Surely Apple don't support enterprise, and thus is destined to fail. 🙄
1)A very high percentage of businesses that use Desktops purchase the slimline/small form factor desktops...they are quite small but not as small as a Mini. The price is still extremely cheap.
2)A very high percentage of businesses, over the past 10 years, have moved away from desktops and gone to laptops...for lots of reasons.
Physical space is rarely a concern...even back in 2001.