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Macs With M5 Chips Expected to Launch in This Order

The most interesting aspects of this post for me seems to have flown under the radar, "M5 chips...and have a separated CPU and GPU design."

If so will there still be unified memory between the CPU and GPU or will each have their own memory? In one package or separate? Just for "server" chips (Max/Ultra? Or a new Extreme?)? If not just a one-off for Apple's data centers, this portends a significant architectural shift.
 
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adamw said:
Why would anyone buy a M4 Max or M4 Ultra Mac Studio, if the M5 versions are coming out shortly after the M4 Mac Studios launch?
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Yes. If there is a chance that the M5 Max is as fast as the M4 Ultra.
 
adamw said:
Why would anyone buy a M4 Max or M4 Ultra Mac Studio, if the M5 versions are coming out shortly after the M4 Mac Studios launch?
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Do you know what will happen a year to 18 months after the M5 Max and the M5 Ultra Mac Studios are released? The M6 Max and the M6 Ultra Studios will be come out...
 
•M5 Chip Production Timeline: Standard M5 in H1 2025, M5 Pro/Max in H2 2025, M5 Ultra in 2026.
•M5 Mac Launch Timeline: MacBook Pro in October 2025, MacBook Air in H1 2026, Mac Studio/Mac Pro later in 2026 or 2027.
•M5 Chip Manufacturing Process: Utilizes TSMC’s N3P 3nm process, offering performance and power efficiency improvements over M4 series.
 
phrehdd said:
I sure hate to see the Studio being somewhat last. The Studio Max fills the needs of the advanced hobbyist and those who used to have Mac Pros but can't deal with today's Mac Pro either for feature of dollar value.
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I got my M2 studio max in late '23' and I'm very happy with it.

At the time when I got it, many people on the forum told me that I was crazy since the M3 studio would be out in spring '24' :).

I'm glad that I didn't wait.
 
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CarAnalogy said:
Considering their storage and RAM upgrade costs, it seriously is becoming cheaper to get a bunch of Minis. If your workload can be split/clustered, makes way more sense to get a couple maxed out Minis than a single Pro.
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I always had a pretty maxed out iMac but I'm finding the base mini 4 does almost anything I need. it completely trounces my last iMac. I definitely can hit the ram ceiling easily but as long as I'm not running with a ton of stuff open at once I'm good.
 
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phrehdd said:
Apple may have a strategy of release to maximize its profits, but I sure hate to see the Studio being somewhat last. The Studio Max fills the needs of the advanced hobbyist and those who used to have Mac Pros but can't deal with today's Mac Pro either for feature of dollar value.
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Yet interestingly the whole industry does it in reverse order compared to Apple. If only nvidia knew how to maximize profits...
 
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Cervisia said:
Yet interestingly the whole industry does it in reverse order compared to Apple. If only nvidia knew how to maximize profits...
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That industry is selling mainly to business and enterprise. NVIDIA is not making the vast majority of its profits by selling to people…
 
Rychiar said:
This happens every year. People were buying M2 Mac minis instead of the 8 month old Mac Studio M1 and right now people are buying M4 Mac minis instead of the old M2 Mac Studio.... Apples release schedule kinda blows for high end users. I'm thinking I may just work from low end machines going forward and update them for frequently. The $499 Mac mini m4 is more powerful than any computer I've used so I'm wondering why I should spent 4+ times the cost on a new studio with older chipsets.
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Higher end versions I think take longer to release cause they're usually 2 or more M processor stitched together. I think the smart thing to do is buy what you need with a bit of future proofing. Then use it for as long as you can.

If stuffed up and bought an entry level M2 Air at the start of this year (256/8), previously I never used my 2011 MacBook Pro for anything other than emails, browsing and a bit of Youtube so the Air is the perfect machine. 3 months later I started doing more YouTube and streaming, and I've ran into both ram and space issues, but I plan to use this Air until I can't anymore... like I did with that faithful 2011 MBP.
 
I would like to hear about some people who REALLY CAN use all the power of these chips. I know I live a sheltered life, but my M1 machines can play 4 videos like YouTube simultaneously. Downloading and converting a 10 minute video to another format takes on my a minute or two.

What the heck are people doing that need this kind of processing power? These things are like Ferrari’s on a road with a speed limit.

Same goes for iPhone. I have 11 pro max, and I have yet to find anything that makes me wait while it processes.

I’m not talking about the pros who use their devices to generate revenue, just the rest of us.
 
Ecuadorexpat said:
I would like to hear about some people who REALLY CAN use all the power of these chips. I know I live a sheltered life, but my M1 machines can play 4 videos like YouTube simultaneously. Downloading and converting a 10 minute video to another format takes on my a minute or two.

What the heck are people doing that need this kind of processing power? These things are like Ferrari’s on a road with a speed limit.

Same goes for iPhone. I have 11 pro max, and I have yet to find anything that makes me wait while it processes.

I’m not talking about the pros who use their devices to generate revenue, just the rest of us.
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MacWhisper pegs the GPU (I convert multiple long audio files into text - and it is the only time I feel any heat coming off my M4 Max)

Final Cut Pro or Insta360 editing sometimes pegs the CPU

...and Topaz Video AI is just an absolute resource hog, but that's just a lot of upscaling video magic that would peg an M9 Ultra just as hard.


That said...there's no reason I can't find many other productive things to do while my processor works in the background. The MacBook never stutters, it just slows down the background processes a little bit.

In summary...you are exactly right. It is like the extra horsepower in my car - it is fun to punch it every once in a while, but it is such a rare thing to do living in suburbia. Somewhere there's a joke about my wife getting weak in the knees with my 350hp SUV...but, well, jokes have to be "somewhat" true to be funny...😜
 
jz0309 said:
So, he didn’t’t say anything that we didn’t know already, great job Kuo
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Except for the part about separating the CPU and GPU...if that holds it would be a significant architectural departure. AppleInsider emphasized this better:

appleinsider.com

M5 Pro may separate out GPU and CPU for new server-grade processors

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says that Apple will move away from its current processor designs that keep the CPU and GPU cores on the same chip — and see a performance gain.
appleinsider.com appleinsider.com
 
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Kuo is then suggesting that Apple won't be the first to market (of a CPU) that uses TSMC's "2nm" node, assuming prior stories about the M5 staying on "3nm" are true.

All of which I find suspicious.
 
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