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JohnnyH1012

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So, I just got my PowerBook G4 (867Mhz) in the mail, and everything is running great on mac OS 10.4.11, except for my Youtube clients. Both Youview and Mactubes are showing a single video, a Youtube device support video that is saying my device is no longer supported anymore. Did I simply not configure something, or is this an ongoing issue for anyone else?:eek:
 
It's probably related to this: https://www.macrumors.com/2015/04/20/youtube-older-apple-tv-discontinued/

Google is discontinuing some older APIs.

I don't think anything has been said officially, but it's almost certainly to prevent the use of older applications and downloaders that do not show advertisements.

Wow! How have I not heard of this yet? I would imagine that we would have more people on the forums trying to find a solution to this if it wasn't just me.
 
I haven't tried any of those types of apps in a while. Up to about a month ago, I was using 4kVideoDownloader on one of my PCs to grab YouTube videos, but that was only because i had a super-slow Internet connection and watching them in real time was nearly out of the question.

I think this kind of thing is a signal of the beginning of the end for PowerPC Macs that look like modern computers. (They arguably haven't been what I'd describe as "modern" for a few years, but they manage to look like it.)

I might look around for the computer on which I had 4kVD running, just to see if that tool still works. It's being actively patched and updated, so it may well use a newer API. Not sure yet if that means an ad will be slipstreamed in with whatever I download, or what.
 
I think this kind of thing is a signal of the beginning of the end for PowerPC Macs that look like modern computers. (They arguably haven't been what I'd describe as "modern" for a few years, but they manage to look like it.)

Well, let's not jump to conclusions. We've seen "the beginning of the end" of PPC Macs for the past 6 years now, and here we are still chugging along, despite hiccups. I'm not sure how we will rebound from the death of the only decent way of watching youtube videos without downloading them, but if one thing is certain, PPC finds a way :D. I'm just gonna wait and see what Eyoungren thinks of this.
 
I'm reasonably certain he'll think I'm over-reacting about the issue. Most people do.

Nevertheless, I would be interested in hearing more people chime in on whether or not these applications are still working and it's related to the YouTube API changes or just something going on with your system.

Disclaimer: I was "done" with PPC Macs in 2006 when I got an Intel iMac, and it benched faster than every G5 except the 2.7 (which beat it by a hair) and the Quad, which was almost twice as fast by the mere nature of being a $3300 or so machine that was at least twice as fast as every other G5 ever (except the 2.7, it's only like 1.97x as fast s the 2.7.)

So, where performance is necessary, PPC has been "done" for a long time. The G4 was bad when it was new, the G5 was really not much of an improvement, and the first cheap iMacs, MacBooks and MacBook Pros completely blew everything else out of the water. PowerPC had been behind a long time, and it was made worse by Apple's then-insistence on having complete control over the hardware. At the time, we heralded it as the sign of a good platform, but Apple was completely awful at hardware design, and most of the weird little problems G4s and G5s have today, they wouldn't have if Apple had let Motorola or IBM design the platform.

Where longevity is important, I'd argue the same. I run Windows 7 and Office 2010 on a ThinkPad that was built in 2003, and not only is it actually pretty sprightly navigating around the OS and running Office 2010, but I can use Spotify on it, 4kVD would have worked, and YouTube videos were playing just fine in IE11 when I last looked at it, which was maybe just about a month ago. (I've since moved and it's in a box I have yet to unpack.)

That system will be relevant to me until 2019 when Windows 7, Office 2010 and IE11 stop receiving security patches.

This next part is extremely tangential to the topic of "downloading youtube videos" but it's very related to the topic of "the viability of PowerPC Macs running OS X."

The other thing to note, and the reason why I specifically call out Windows 7's end-of-patches date, is because Mac OS X while not being a common target is, by default, pretty insecure, and security researchers and code auditors have been finding lots of problems with the code in UNIX systems. (Such as the BSD portion of Mac OS X, which is all of it except for the graphics, and even the graphics if you're using X11 stuff.)

Apple's not patching that stuff, and it is being used to compromise Linux and UNIX servers to send spam from them. There's no really good reason why a Mac couldn't be the victim to an attack like that.

It may be possible to compile some fixes for some of those issues, but the reason why I talk about "looking modern" is because a lot of people who really aren't very technical buy these things cheap off craigslist without knowing what they're getting into. It's very much like the time I bought a cheap Volvo wagon off CL, and then drove it for exactly one month before it blew up in my face and stranded me on the side of the '40. Except with insecure Macs, it's not just me or you that stands to lose out or be impacted. It's potentially anybody on any network to which you're connected (spam and faulty HTTP requests, plus things like NTP and DNS reflection take network throughput) as well as users of mailboxes that receive spam and phishing.

Cameron Kaiser has issued patches for some of these problems, like shellshock (which ironically, on Mac OS X, probably posed the least threat of anything I've mentioned.)

I admire the veracity of the users on this board, heck, I admire them when they're on 68kMLA as well, but I definitely wish that there was a bit more of a unified effort to address the security concerns on these systems.

Ironically, Mac OS 9 has none of these types of problems, and is essentially immune to being used as a spambot, unless you install ASIP or AIMS/EIMS on one and configure it wrong.

I may get another PPC Mac at some point, but it'll either be on a darknet or as a Mac OS 9 system.
 
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Good thing YT is not dead on PPC. They're good machines for watching video.
 
I have found a solution:

1: Download the latest version of TenFourFox from www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox

2: Download the add-on QuickTime enabler http://sourceforge.net/projects/tenf...0.xpi/download

3: Download Perian http://www.perian.org/

4: Once everything is installed, go on any YouTube video right click (ctrl+click) then choose "Open In QuickTime"

You're all set! YouTube videos on PPC
Just note that HD video probably won't play well and I do believe that video from there has to be HTML5.

Your mileage may vary, especially on NON-Youtube sites.
 
Good thing YT is not dead on PPC. They're good machines for watching video.

Yeah they really are, too bad Netflix isn't supported. I'm pretty sure that Netflix will move to HTML5 soon so this fix will work with Netflix too.

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Just note that HD video probably won't play well and I do believe that video from there has to be HTML5.

Your mileage may vary, especially on NON-Youtube sites.

HD should play decently on later model G5's, but the video does have to be HTML5 to work. But, this is still a good workaround to MacTubes and such being broken.
 
But, if all else fails, you can always use something like Keepvid or DWHelper to download the videos you want and watch in your media player.
 
Minitube doesn't work either, which is quite annoying because browsers are much slower for YouTube.
 
So it has finally happened... For those who don't know, that single result was appearing at the top of search results in the affected applications since April 20 (see this thread). YouView was a permanent member of the dock on my 2008 MBA as well as my MDD and a few more of my PPCs.
 

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Mactubes regularly breaks and is repaired. Granted, usually it is because of routine YouTube stuff, not major changes, but I don't think there is cause for panic yet.
 
Yeah they really are, too bad Netflix isn't supported. I'm pretty sure that Netflix will move to HTML5 soon so this fix will work with Netflix too.

Not a chance - YouTube uses straight H.264-over-HTML5, Netflix didn't even announce the switch to HTML5 until HTML5 added support for encrypted (DRM-encumbered) video. That's why Netflix is willing to move now.
 
Mactubes regularly breaks and is repaired. Granted, usually it is because of routine YouTube stuff, not major changes, but I don't think there is cause for panic yet.

The thing is that YouTube blocked all 3rd party apps/old versions of YouTube so it may be a while until a new version is out
 
Not a chance - YouTube uses straight H.264-over-HTML5, Netflix didn't even announce the switch to HTML5 until HTML5 added support for encrypted (DRM-encumbered) video. That's why Netflix is willing to move now.

Yeah I completely forgot about Netflix and their encrypted video. Never mind.:rolleyes:
 
Is this still working?

http://ppcluddite.blogspot.ro/2014/02/new-gui-app-for-youtube-dl.html

I don't have a PPC Mac with me right now so I can't check.
 
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