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I can't believe you people. First off, the iPhone is absolutely amazing.

Second, Macworld is for Mac software developers. The iPhone is a new platform for which they can develop software, and a new market in which they can sell it. Not to mention a new market for accessories - can you say GPS? It makes perfect sense to spend this much time on it, and to announce it at Macworld - it seems pretty clear to me that it is going to be even more revolutionary than the iPod.

Macworld is not for consumers. What would be the point of wasting time in the Keynote on announcing some new displays, or an 8-core Mac Pro? "Hey guys, check this out, we dropped a new chip in here, isn't it cool?" They can do that whenever they want.
 
Oh shutup. Honestly.

Your most genious statement yet. the iPod rakes in more money, and is (I'm just guessing here) far cheaper as far as R&D goes than the Apple laptops and desktops. So, logic says that if ANYTHING, Apple's other products are providing the computer department with more R&D revenue. If you really want to drop a profit sucker, get rid of OSX, I'm sure they don't make up the R&D cost on that product :rolleyes:

Before you go lamenting the lack of intelligence in someone else, please ensure that you yourself have an appropriate level of genius to take that person to task.



The iPhone is a great looking gadget with a lot of great features which is 1) rather overpriced and 2) quite useless to what I would imagine is a majority of Apple's current fanbase (i.e., those of us who HATE Cingular or are currently locked into a contract with another carrier.).

The iPhone would be at just the right price if the $499-$599 tags were without a two year contract. Multimedia et. al make excellent points that the true cost of the iPhone is $599 plus the cost of the two year contract. With Cingular, the minimum acceptable plan for most average people is between $40 and $60 per month. It is an additional $20 per month for unlimited data (which will practically be a requirement to take full advantage of everything the iPhone offers). So let's do the math. Assuming a $60 per month basic plan plus the $20 per month unlimited data addition, we have $80 per month times 12 months in a year, times two years. (80 x 12 x 2 = 1920). That would make the final cost of the iPhone $2519 (599 + 1920). Far too expensive for many of us, even with the cost of the plan spread out over two years. The real bottom line is that Apple should have let Cingular really subsidize the iPhone.

And to dash the hopes of those who believe that Apple might soon release an unlocked version of this phone stateside, remember that when the Cingular CEO took the stage, he announced a multi-year exclusivity deal with Apple. Macrumors kiddies should remember that Multi means more than one. In fact, it means at least two! So the earliest that the United States might possibly see a future revision of the iPhone unlocked for other networks would be the beginning of 2009.

I guess that anyone brave enough to try importing will have to hope that the European version is unlocked. Of course, Steve-O might simply be using Cingular to gauge the potential popularity of the iPhone, and if interest by other networks seems big enough, he could break the exclusivity contract and just let the Apple and Cingular lawyers battle it out in Federal Court.

Here's to hoping!
 
Someone will be able to unlock them.

Just like every other GSM phone. Ive bought phones in Europe, unlocked. Dont know what the big deal is....

I think this is a big leap in integration. Someone said this is the future, I agree. OS X on my cell?! Will be interesting.

The touch screen I am eager to see.

As for the total cost. Well bottom line is anyone living in the comtemporary world already is committed to a contract, and if not is commited to assuming cell service. The data extra I wont have but the cost for cell service I dont consider extra as I need it.

I have cingular, and find the service no better or wore then the others here where I live. T-Mobile I thought then had better coverage. Truth is they all suck.

If anything I believe the software on the phone and its potential are way more then most people will use, but as we all do we will assimilate and eventually want more.

My birthday is in June.... how apropos. :)

Before you go lamenting the lack of intelligence in someone else, please ensure that you yourself have an appropriate level of genius to take that person to task.



The iPhone is a great looking gadget with a lot of great features which is 1) rather overpriced and 2) quite useless to what I would imagine is a majority of Apple's current fanbase (i.e., those of us who HATE Cingular or are currently locked into a contract with another carrier.).

The iPhone would be at just the right price if the $499-$599 tags were without a two year contract. Multimedia et. al make excellent points that the true cost of the iPhone is $599 plus the cost of the two year contract. With Cingular, the minimum acceptable plan for most average people is between $40 and $60 per month. It is an additional $20 per month for unlimited data (which will practically be a requirement to take full advantage of everything the iPhone offers). So let's do the math. Assuming a $60 per month basic plan plus the $20 per month unlimited data addition, we have $80 per month times 12 months in a year, times two years. (80 x 12 x 2 = 1920). That would make the final cost of the iPhone $2519 (599 + 1920). Far too expensive for many of us, even with the cost of the plan spread out over two years. The real bottom line is that Apple should have let Cingular really subsidize the iPhone.

And to dash the hopes of those who believe that Apple might soon release an unlocked version of this phone stateside, remember that when the Cingular CEO took the stage, he announced a multi-year exclusivity deal with Apple. Macrumors kiddies should remember that Multi means more than one. In fact, it means at least two! So the earliest that the United States might possibly see a future revision of the iPhone unlocked for other networks would be the beginning of 2009.

I guess that anyone brave enough to try importing will have to hope that the European version is unlocked. Of course, Steve-O might simply be using Cingular to gauge the potential popularity of the iPhone, and if interest by other networks seems big enough, he could break the exclusivity contract and just let the Apple and Cingular lawyers battle it out in Federal Court.

Here's to hoping!
 
Here's what I'd like to know:

What was with the wood grain texture on the graphs?

I know it's an option in Keynote, but it just looked so weird up their on a stage where every thing else was black, white, metal, or glossy-translucent. It seemed really awkward to me. Anyone else?
 
Wow, a lot of negitive comments.

The iPhone was actually all I expected. I didn't see Macs being updated til midyear anyway.

Besides, you guys got your widescreen iPod!
It's because Steve Jobs devoted like 1hr+ of the keynote with the iPhone when he never even mentioned the iWork/iLife '07 anywere. I too didn't like the keynote, there was so much hype over just two new products when there could've been more.
 
I wished for more but happy to see the iTV. I plan on buying one now that I do not need to worry about the phone. I wish Leopard had been released.
 
It's because Steve Jobs devoted like 1hr+ of the keynote with the iPhone when he never even mentioned the iWork/iLife '07 anywere. I too didn't like the keynote, there was so much hype over just two new products when there could've been more.

I guess I voted negative not because I didn't like the phone or think that it wasn't a quantum leap forward that sets the bar at a new level. That I expected from Apple.

I voted negative because it was a two hour event for 10 minutes of 1 product and 1:50 on a second.

We wait a year for a glimpse of what to expect from Apple for the coming year and the event is dominated by two products. On top of that, we have to wait 6 months before the phone is even available.

So what about new displays, re-designed macbookpros, mini towers, mini modifications, mac pro future, Leopard, iLife, new software, etc.

Usually the keynote sets the tone for the whole year. Are we to expect only two new products for the entire year which most people can't get or utilize until 2008.
 
Hey, anone notice the picture of a Beatles album in iPhone 2 pics?

So lets see, Apple seems to be soon adding Paramount Movies and Beatles to iTunes soon..

Excellent observation!

All I have to add to this discussion is that I hope Japan isn't considered "Asia" when it comes to iPhone availability (because I would like one) . . .

. . . and that, having just bought a C2D Macbook Pro, I'm kind of glad for super-selfish reasons that they didn't announce any new Macs. :D
 
It's also possible that different people have different needs. And so Apple might release some products (iPhone) that other people want but you don't... and yet ALSO release other products you DO want. So whatever things you DO want, don't give up hope! Today was not the only day Apple could release them.

Good call. The lack of any mac news had me really pissed.

So much so, in fact, that I forgot to mention Macrumors' great coverage!

Thanks MR, you rock!
 
Wow, I can't believe how shortsighted and out of touch some Macrumors members are who have posted in this thread. Oh well, the rest of us will move on without you, we'll be sure to wave as we pass you by.

HINT:

This phone is the equivalent of what the Mac was in 1984.
 
Many of you are quite short-sighted, it appears. Props to Jobs once again, that thing may change the way portability and computers work together drastically.

Great coverage by the way.
 
Nothing to do with macs?

If there is one thing that I know...is that people hate macs. In a kind of I cant explain it sort of way. Its wierd. So I think it was very smart for them to release something that will undoubtedly dominate the cell phone market regardless of whose network its on. And when people play with there phone long enough...they will see what "the mac" experience is about. So the next time they wander into there local mac store theyll have less of a guard up about it. Just my take on the whole situation. I know the market share of phones has little to do with the market share of computers, but in apples case i think it does in a big way. Look at how many new users there were in 06...50% of those who bought macs according to jobs. Cant you relate that to ipod? Imagine what those numbers would look like with no ipod...Its like this...hey! i like this product...ill try there notebooks...and then they like there notebooks and tell there friends how much they love there new mac. Apple is going to do big things in the next five years. Big things.
 
the keynote IS about Mac hardware and software!

How can you guys say that the keynote did not talk about Mac hardware and software? Don't be fooled by the name; the iPhone, and even the Apple TV to some extent, are all about being a Mac! The iPhone is running OS X (or a reasonably big subset of it), it's not a toy or an iPod, it's truly an all-purpose device.

It's got a revolutionary user interface, not only for its touch-sensitive interface and display (aren't you guys dreaming of something like this replacing your regular PC or laptop monitor?), but also through the use of motion-sensing and other trickery that make it an almost sentient machine. That's a fantastic example of great hardware-software integration.

Yes, the iPhone is an expensive device that I'll probably never buy, but this device might have defined the new specs for personal computing. The New Mac, basically.

Maybe if the devices had been called MacPhone and MacTV you would have been happier?
 
Before you go lamenting the lack of intelligence in someone else, please ensure that you yourself have an appropriate level of genius to take that person to task.

That's a great reply to my post. Well thought out and you made good comments and responses to all of my points. Wait, no you didn't, you pointed out a typo. Pat yourself on the back.

The rest of you post, while having little to do with mine in any sort of direct response context, it is accurate, if not a little too negative for me. But that's my opinion, and nothing that can really be argued.

I'll leave you with a few things that everyone can learn from.

Genius
1. an exceptional natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work in science, art, music, etc.: the genius of Mozart.
2. a person having such capacity.
3. a person having an extraordinarily high intelligence rating on a psychological test, as an IQ above 140.

Typographical Error
1. an error in printed or typewritten matter resulting from striking the improper key of a keyboard, from mechanical failure, or the like.

Ignorance
–noun
1. the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.
2. the condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

That said, I would never claim my genius is in the english language. It lies more in computer science and technology fields.
Have a nice day :)
 
Meh. Thought the keynote sucked, myself.

Wanted to see something (like, say, a release!) on Leopard. Didn't happen.

Wanted to see new models of laptop and desktop. Didn't happen.

Wouldn't have minded if there had been a new model of iPod. Didn't happen.

AppleTV was slightly interesting; but it's missing too many capabilities for most people to be interested in (except for Apple/Steve fanboys). Also lacks any analog connections, so it's unusable by me personally.

Not interested in the product now known as the iPhone. Costs too much for me, doesn't deliver what I'm interested in, and gives me too much of what I don't care about.

So, as I said: Meh.
 
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