Made in USA macs

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by libertysat, Apr 19, 2011.

  1. libertysat macrumors regular

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    Sure wish I could buy an Apple product with an option to have it made here

    I would like to see a Red White & Blue apple version offered

    How much more would it cost to produce an iPhone made in US?
     
  2. adcx64 macrumors 65816

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    I doubt there are any iPhone factories here, so it would cost a lot.
     
  3. iLucas macrumors 6502

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    I'm not sure to your iPhone question. But i have a few older powerpcs that i have put the serial number in the application MacTracker and it says they were made in the US
     
  4. mactactic macrumors regular

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    Made in the USA

    Sad state of affairs for the USA , and Apple the number 1 tech company in the USA , and we can't produce a fricken iphone :eek:
    Don't you just love NAFTA what happened to all the jobs that was supposed to create ?
    Sorry to get political but this just pisses ME OFF !! :mad::apple:
     
  5. emiljan macrumors 6502

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    ^^ your not the only one. I can't believe someone thought that NAFTA was supposed to create jobs in the USA.
     
  6. snberk103 macrumors 603

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    What's really funny, is that we Canadians have the same complaint - "Where are all the jobs that we were supposed to get by signing NAFTA?"

    So if you didn't get them, and we didn't get them ... then where the heck did they all go ??? I'm look at you, Señor!
     
  7. Transporteur macrumors 68030

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    It's not a question of being able to make a phone, rather than production costs.

    Labour costs and taxes makes it impossible to produce such goods in an industrial nation. Or do you think anyone would by a $5000 iPhone?

    Better 100 engineering and development jobs in the US, instead of 0 because no one can afford the goods you produce. No customers, no jobs.
     
  8. jackc macrumors 65816

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    Actually the fears about NAFTA and jobs were completely and utterly wrong.

    Having foreigners provide cheap labor is a good thing. Maybe your dream is for your kids to work on an assembly line? Didn't think so.
     
  9. kingtj macrumors 68020

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    That depends ....

    The concept of outsourcing the manual labor to other countries can be a THEORETICAL benefit. But it makes the big assumption that your nation has (or will have) enough better quality/paying alternatives to those jobs!

    The fact is, although in a perfect world, it wouldn't ever be my dream to see my kids working on an assembly line -- I know that in reality, they might be perfectly content doing that type of work when they grow up. I sure won't be one of those parents who holds it against them forever, because I'm too uptight and worried about how it will reflect back on ME! I'd be proud to see them working an honest job and getting by on their own, without judging them because they didn't go on to make big money in the medical field or what-not.....

    Our country (USA) is screwed right now, because we were so arrogant, we thought we were collectively "above" doing all that manufacturing work, so we sent practically all of it to other countries. Now we've created a situation where only a relative few have the majority of the wealth, because they're the ones who own the big companies profiting from all that outsourced manufacturing. Everyone else is shoveling our money out to other countries to buy the things we want or need, and we don't have enough products we can sell back to fix the trade imbalance.


     
  10. snberk103 macrumors 603

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    What's wrong with assembly line jobs? I grew up in a town with a couple of GM plants. Lots of my friends were put through school by those assembly line jobs. Either by parents who worked there, or by getting summer jobs to replace the full-time workers on summer holidays.

    I'd rather they worked at a well paid assembly line job, making something to be sold, than at a minimum wage service industry job serving those with the "knowledge jobs". Not everyone can be a doctor, engineer, developer, etc. By taking those well paid jobs away from the middle, we've polarized society into high/low paid jobs. And I'm actually a free trader supporter. But I think we didn't give much thought to the transition.
     
  11. Mr.Uao macrumors newbie

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    Well, that makes 3 of us. I'm Mexican and we have the same complaint. We were told that NAFTA would bring a 300 million people market for our products and thousands of jobs for our workers.

    Guess what.... thousands of our workers are running through the desert risking being shot at by some redneck and I'm pretty sure is not for the thrill of it. And most of our products now come from China too!

    Welcome to the Global Village!
     
  12. MuDPHuDStudent macrumors member

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    No thank you. Apple products are expensive enough.

    Can I just point out that if they were made here that they wouldn't require nearly as much labor as they do now? Labor is cheap in China so it's not worth investing in extremely expensive machines to build the iPhones, etc. If the same products were manufactured here, they would be more expensive and most likely built with the minimum number of jobs possible (and as many automated machines as feasible) because of high labor costs here. Basically, manufacturing the phones in China means more jobs worldwide (they don't deserve good jobs too?).

    The way the manufacturing is done now leads to a win-win situation: more worldwide jobs and a less expensive product. What is your problem with that, exactly?
     
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    Agreed! This was an intentional act against this country. The revenue that's needed to run this country comes from heavy manufacturing and no one is willing to admit what really killed the economy.
     
  14. ctucci macrumors regular

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    But why did we have to make the manufacturing climate in the US so unfriendly (via job-killing taxes and regulations) that businesses -HAD- to export jobs in order to stay in business?

    More importantly...What if that factory job is really the best thing for my kid to do at this time? And what if (like many of us did), he turns his time at that factory job into a management position?

    Isn't it better to have those opportunities here, rather than overseas?

    I think lowering regulations and the tax burden on businesses so it's more cost effective to hire here would help more in the long run, rather than assuming everyone in our Country is capable of being an engineer.
     
  15. snberk103 macrumors 603

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    Well, if Canada didn't get the jobs, and the Mexicans didn't get the jobs, and the Americans didn't get the jobs.... where the heck did they go? There must be a secret 4th nation signatory that has 110% employment figures, eh?! Sort of an employment black-hole, perhaps.

    So why did we let the Americans twist our arms into signing the deal?
     
  16. DavidLeblond macrumors 68020

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    I bet there are a lot of unemployed Americans out there that would LOVE to put together iPhones.

    Just because you're above it doesn't mean everyone is.
     
  17. Hastings101 macrumors 68010

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    Lowering regulation never ends well for anyone but those at the very top. Lowering taxes on businesses might help but it could also hurt the local and state governments as well. Sometimes more jobs available doesn't make up for the money lost.
     
  18. dime21 macrumors 6502

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    x2, I'd gladly pay a few $hundred more to get an MBP made in USA. These days, the Apple Store is just a big Chinese market. :(

    By "Global Village", I assume you mean Chinese Government. Because that's where everyone is sending their $$$ these days. :mad:
     
  19. Anonymous Freak macrumors 601

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    NAFTA only covers Canada, the U.S., and Mexico. Last time I checked, the iPhone (and essentially every other electronics product) is manufactured in Asia. NAFTA had zero impact on the iPhone.

    Yes, once upon a time Apple had manufacturing in the U.S. Very few companies do any more, because, quite simply, it costs significantly less to manufacture in Asia than in the U.S.

    The closest you can get any more is small shops that assemble foreign-manufactured parts into a complete product. But all the parts are still manufactured overseas. (Intel is one of the few tech companies that does any form of production in the U.S., having most of their major chip fabs located in Oregon, California, and Arizona. Even then, only the wafer is 'printed' in the U.S. The actual assembly into a packaged processor is done overseas still!)
     
  20. Henry Spencer macrumors newbie

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    Finally created an account just to reply to that same post, guess you beat me to it! Just wanted to add that the cost of life and therefore labor being what it is in the US(pretty darn high) compared with, say, china (one of the lowest in the entire world), even without any taxes, compagnie would save alot by having their labor done abroad. So in my opinion, lowering compagnie taxes isn't really a solution.
     
  21. Moonlight macrumors 6502a

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    Add me to the list that would gladly pay $$ for a USA made iPhone, iPad, and Macbook. We are not only killing jobs in the US, but killing the Chinese people that work ungodly hours with no unions to help them for very little pay. Is that the world that young hippie Steve Jobs wanted????
     
  22. Ace134blue macrumors 6502a

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    Whats nafta? Bill clinton: Nother afternoon of fu**ing that a$$ :D
     
  23. snberk103 macrumors 603

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    The bulk of the regulations are safety and environmental. In other words, regulations that protect the safety and health of people in the plant, and then the health and well being of people who are downwind/downstream of the plant. Those regulations were hard-won by those people who worked in and lived downwind/downstream - because for the most part the companies weren't protecting those people on their own.

    Interestingly, there has been a lot talk about corporate taxes in Canada due to our election. It turns out, in most studies, that at a certain point lowering corporate taxes does nothing to create jobs or create investment in infrastructure. All the money saved goes straight to - the executives (not even the shareholders.). Apparently Canada is below that "certain point" at 18% (so we don't need to drop our rates to 16.5% as one party is promising to do) to keep the corps. I don't know where the US is, but if you are at about 18%.... lowering corporate taxes only makes the execs richer.

    There are a lot of other factors that corporations take into account besides tax rates on deciding where to locate. One of the big advantages that Canada has over the US is our health care system. Since we have universal health insurance, companies only have to "top up" health benefits (private rooms vs wards, etc) and not primary health coverage.

    The biggest and best thing that we, the industrialized nations, can do is to help educate the workers in the developing world about the dangers they face through pollution and unsafe work environments. It is only when all workers are entitled to a safe workplace, and their families to a safe environment, that the playing field will be close to level.

    In the meantime, I have no problems enacting "environmental" tariffs. Slap some costs on products coming into a relatively pollution-free country that help to account for the costs the manufacturer saved by locating in a jurisdiction with lax environmental standards. But that is different discussion.
     
  24. chrismacguy macrumors 68000

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    Heres an idea: Let every Mac to be sold in the US be made in the US.. and Ill stay in the UK with my much cheaper Chinese made Apple Products thankyou very much. If Apple moved all its production to the US it would piss me off. Since you know, I already pay a fortune more than you US people do for Apple gear, and making all Apple gear in the US would make the UK prices even more out of whack with reality.
     

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