"Made in USA"

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by calaverasgrande, Jan 2, 2014.

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did "made in USA" affect your buying decision?

  1. Yes it made me more inclined to buy.

    36 vote(s)
    23.1%
  2. No it had no bearing on my decision

    105 vote(s)
    67.3%
  3. Yes, it made me less likely/reticent to buy.

    13 vote(s)
    8.3%
  4. I wasn't aware they were made in the USA.

    2 vote(s)
    1.3%
  1. calaverasgrande, Jan 2, 2014
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    calaverasgrande macrumors 65816

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    This is a topic that often comes up on other forums.
     
  2. haravikk macrumors 65816

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    It doesn't really have much bearing on my purchase decision, though it's nice to know that at least some of the labour is being done in countries with higher standards rather than outsourcing everything.

    That said, it's probably really just assembly of the final components that's done in the US, maybe production of the cases, as it sounds like pretty much everything else is still done elsewhere.
     
  3. Spinland macrumors 6502

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    I put it in the nice-to-know category but would have purchased mine anyway.
     
  4. michael_aos macrumors 6502

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    I think it's a bonus, but it didn't really play into the decision.

    As an aside, we have 3 vehicles. A Toyota Tundra (assembled in Indiana), an Acura RDX (assembled in Ohio), and a VW Jetta SportWagen (assembled in Puebla, MX).

    Similar sentiment with those. I bought them because I like the vehicle, not because of where they were assembled.
    --
     
  5. Average Pro macrumors regular

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    No

    Where it was/is made played no part in my decision.

    However, on the scale of concerned (10 + max concern), I'm at a 6.5 because it is made in the US. Love this country its creativity and freedom, but when it comes to assembling things....
     
  6. ActionableMango macrumors 604

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    I would prefer Apple make all of its products in the USA, or really any country with better worker and environmental protection. And yes, I would pay a little more.
     
  7. ytoyoda macrumors member

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    "Made in USA" definitely help to reduce unemployment rate in the US.
    However,
    does it imply better made quality compared "Made in China"? - not sure
    does it imply more quicker in delivery? - doubtful
    I would be delighted if it was "Made in Japan".
     
  8. pitabox987 macrumors member

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    To be honest "made in the USA" as opposed to made in china shouldn't make a difference to the product since Apple has extremely stringent quality controls in place.

    I see benefits and drawbacks though. - Making the product in the USA May allow for more control with the product manufacture and design as well as creating jobs. - It will however most likely increase the cost of the unit.

    Personally I think It's not a bad machine, though I'm nota fan of the way the machine now connects to most devices as peripherals instead of internally. - it creates unneeded clutter for my workstation.
     
  9. JoeG4 macrumors 68030

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    Considering all of my powermacs were assembled in the US, and were awesome machines, I think having even more of it made in the US is a great thing.

    Yep, all of them. They were actually more impeccably put together than all of my apple laptops have been tbh.
     
  10. Rich.Cohen macrumors regular

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    I want a high quality product that fits my needs. I'm willing to pay a bit more for "Made in USA" but I won't give up quality or buy an unsuitable product. In this day of global supply chains "Made in USA" doesn't mean all that much for complex products with a wide variety of components. I've ordered my nMP and will be happy to own a made in America product. I don't mind if it cost a bit more, but I would be upset to learn that it cost a lot more.
     
  11. calaverasgrande, Jan 2, 2014
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  12. ElectronGuru, Jan 2, 2014
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    I was raised to believe in the value of a strong country. The strongest countries have the most diverse economies. The fewer layers in an economy, the less resilient. Manufacturing is a key layer, providing maximum income with minimal training, for the most number of people. I would go so far as to argue than the American Dream is based on it.

    I have my own products (flashlights and parts) made in the US. Its a choice that means less profit for myself and higher costs for my customers, but it aways means a better product. Not because Americans are automatically better at making things. But because you can't charge more without it. There must still be value.

    I would buy several iMacs today if I knew they would be US made. I'm waiting to see if the next mini is US made. If Mac Pro is as far as Tim goes, I may have to save up for it. But hopefully this is the first in a series of steps to bring back the entire lineup.
     
  13. tomwvr macrumors regular

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    My MTO 2012 IMAC has assembled in the USA on the computer and on its box.

    Apple has been making many machines in the US - just not a large percentage of what they sell. And if you look at the history Steve Jobs wanted to make the iPhone in the US but could not get waivers for environmental and OSHA issues - so he went to China to have it made.

    Too many regulations in the US today to have major manufacturing going on.

    Tom
     
  14. ElectronGuru macrumors 65816

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    Dozens of complex reasons, including China's direct control of 95% of the world"s entire supply of rare earth metals:

    http://ifixit.org/blog/1856/why-the-ipad-has-to-be-made-in-china/

    ...and you go right to regulations as the single boogie man?
     
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  16. Anim macrumors 6502a

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    Based on this thread, anything made in the west should go all out on marketing that fact. 23% is a good bonus regardless of the voters location. Unless you want to sell to the east that is.

    I wonder if that would psychologically work on App Store App marketing. Interesting.
     
  17. tomwvr macrumors regular

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    This government in the US is way too involved in everything - hell they are prob watching all of us type on our MAC's right now :>)

    And seriously - here is what is written on what issues JOBS had with making the IPHONE in the US --

    1) there was no company in the US that could hire enough people to do the work
    2) there were OSHA regulations that would have made the GLASS screen impossible to make at a decent price (glass particles considered dangerous to breath in when polished - people would need to be in enviro suits to make in the US no just medical mask ect)
    3) It would have taken 3-4 years for the factory to make the phone approved after all the licenses and regulations passed

    Tom
     
  18. 2128506 macrumors regular

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    It's not "Made in USA", it's "Made in Asia, assembled in USA".

    Huge difference. ;)
     
  19. goMac macrumors 603

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    Entirely not true. The biggest reason, repeatedly cited, is that the US simply didn't have any factories producing the required specialty parts, and China already did.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/b...queezed-middle-class.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    Compare that to the US, where your factories could be states or coasts apart to get what you need.

    The lower volume of the Mac Pro makes it easier to produce in the US (Apple isn't going to need a million screws overnight for the Mac Pro).
     
  20. ActionableMango macrumors 604

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    1) Nobody expects 100% of product to occur here overnight. Start small and build up.

    2) Apple is making a sapphire plant here in the USA that uses an ion cannon for polishing. It sounds like technology will be making this point obsolete. In any case, nobody expects every single part to be made in the USA. We're generally talking about final assembly. No doubt the parts come from several suppliers in several locations.

    3) I'm not sure about this, but assuming it's true, we'd still have a factory 3-4 years from now. There certainly exists plenty of electronics assembly factories in the USA, so it's doable. I worked in one. There are several in the area still today.

    Nothing about this seems difficult for a company with the talent like Apple has, a $150 billion cash hoard, and incredible margins.

    I would definitely pay more for a USA option, and I have. My two TVs from 2008 were assembled in the USA and they are tanks. Even today, 6 years later, they are considered to be among the best TVs ever made.
     
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  22. tomwvr macrumors regular

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    So a question

    You have the iPhone - no one else has a phone like this - you can build it in 6 months if you make it in China or in 4 years if you make it in the US - due to what ever you can think of - workers, factories, OSHA, Govt Regulations ect ect ect.

    Do you wait 4 years and hope no one figures out your tech advantage or do you go now in China.

    Pretty easy answer for me if I ran Apple.

    Tom
     
  23. Cubemmal macrumors 6502a

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    Are you kidding? Made in the US is pure marketing on Apple's part due to the bad publicity of China iDevices. Steve Jobs himself told Obama that manufacturing jobs aren't coming back to the U.S. In this case Cook did it just because he wants the PR, and the Mac Pro is probably the easiest Apple product to build, so it doesn't appreciably add to the cost to build it here (and you can just bundle any extra in on the bottom line anyhow).

    Notice the long video showing obvious American's making it, and the final bit showing the engraved "Made in the U.S.A just lathers it on.
     
  24. Mac Gus macrumors regular

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    Regardless of the reasons, political, marketing etc, I'm happy that the nMP is made in the US.
     
  25. nanofrog macrumors G4

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    They found it's actually cheaper to build it here than in China and pay all the shipping involved (final destination as well as components made in the US that would have to be shipped to China). This is the result of increasing wages in China as well as increases in shipping costs.

    So the decision to build it in the US was purely an economic one.

    There are other advantages of course, such as tighter quality control (i.e. shorter times needed to address manufacturing issues if a defect is discovered on the line or in the field), little if any language barrier, and of course public relations and advertising will hype it up for all it's worth.
     

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