Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
iPads have steadily increased in price so I don't see it as being unfair, I think you are just moving the goalposts, clearly Apple still sells a lot of Macs. But even if we took 1/3 to 1/2 of the Mac numbers to make up for the price difference that's still a very significant number of Macs sold and I would not label purchasers as "hardly anyone". I'm not sure why I would compare Macs to iphones as that's not what we are discussing and isn't relevant to my point, but even then it's still not "hardly anyone" as you make it out to be.
Go back to the premise. The question was whether apple was trying to protect mac sales by hobbling ipad. They clearly were not. Because the sales are not big enough for them to care.
 
Regaredless of preconceived notions she is using the iPad for more tasks and in more ways than almost any other reviewer I have seen.

True that. She demonstrates how to stare at the screen while doing yoga for example. One of the more useful scenarios she showed. Super important to have the right screen angle there and when gaming on the computer or generally doing any other tasks - and not really using the device.
 
I think the term needs to be further unpacked. iJustine likely won't be doing "advanced" stuff like creating complicated shortcuts on iOS to automate otherwise mundane and repetitive stuff. She won't be poking around with the terminal or running multiple virtual environments or anything along that line because really, her job doesn't require any of this.

That said, she does appear to have a fairly successful career going for her, one that is capable of financing her rather lavish lifestyle, and she is clearly using her apple devices to great effect here. She is a one-woman production team, compared to other youtubers like Linus or MKBHD who have entire staffs at their disposal, and I think it's impressive what she has managed to accomplish for herself.

I am not arguing her career. A lot of people like her hollow self obsessed channel that puts hot air over substance. I don’t find this to be a review that provides me with valuable input and I don’t care personally how many others disagree and adore her.

I am not saying that the other YouTube influencers are to be taken any more serious either, but to each their own.
 
True that. She demonstrates how to stare at the screen while doing yoga for example. One of the more useful scenarios she showed. Super important to have the right screen angle there and when gaming on the computer or generally doing any other tasks - and not really using the device.

How dare people use their devices (and have an opinion on how effective they are) for anything other than “real use” as defined by ericwn.

:rolleyes:
 
True that. She demonstrates how to stare at the screen while doing yoga for example. One of the more useful scenarios she showed. Super important to have the right screen angle there and when gaming on the computer or generally doing any other tasks - and not really using the device.

I really need to watch the video, don’t I?
 
Go back to the premise. The question was whether apple was trying to protect mac sales by hobbling ipad. They clearly were not. Because the sales are not big enough for them to care.

So you are saying that 5.5 billion/quarter in Mac sales are not big enough? That doesn't make very good business sense. If that's the case then Apple should just stop making and marketing Macs. You also got my premise incorrect, I'm not saying they are hobbling ipads, quite the opposite, they are making them more and more PC like with each iteration.
 
So you are saying that 5.5 billion/quarter in Mac sales are not big enough? That doesn't make very good business sense. If that's the case then Apple should just stop making and marketing Macs. You also got my premise incorrect, I'm not saying they are hobbling ipads, quite the opposite, they are making them more and more PC like with each iteration.

yes. I am saying that losing 5.5 billion in Mac sales and replacing them with some amount of iPad sales is good business sense. Cannibalizing Mac to move people onto iPad is good for them. And even if it’s less money they make on iPad hardware, those people will spend more on Apple services than Mac users.

There is no way anyone at Apple worries even a tiny bit about losing Mac sales because people switch to iPad. It’s an assinine premise.
 
yes. I am saying that losing 5.5 billion in Mac sales and replacing them with some amount of iPad sales is good business sense. Cannibalizing Mac to move people onto iPad is good for them. And even if it’s less money they make on iPad hardware, those people will spend more on Apple services than Mac users.

There is no way anyone at Apple worries even a tiny bit about losing Mac sales because people switch to iPad. It’s an assinine premise.

Personally I believe that while Mac sales will continue to go down, iPad sales will at some point flatline as many of those consumers will be switching from a 2 device paradigm to just having an iPad. Combined sales won't equal Macs plus iPads (ignoring things like iPad price increases and selling more iPads which is where I think Apple will correct the shortfall).

I'm not doubting Apple's strategy at all, I'm simply saying they are, to some degree, skirting the line on making the iPad a fully fledged PC. Part of the strategy is to slowly raise the price as they add more features making it more like a PC, as well as adding expensive peripherals which help also make it more like a PC and will help shore up the falling Mac sales.
 
How dare people use their devices (and have an opinion on how effective they are) for anything other than “real use” as defined by ericwn.

:rolleyes:

Oh boy, somebody provided an opinion without consulting you first. Another hurt iJustine fan it seems.

;)
 
I find the complaints about iJustine interesting and a bit humorous. I had previously thought of her as a bit of an airhead. But her review of the MK, followed by her Q&A answering questions raised by the original video, answered more of the questions I had about the MK than any other video I watched—and I watched virtually all of them while waiting for my MK.

And she came up with a few suggestions I had not seen anywhere previously, although they have appeared elsewhere since. In particular, hers was the first video that gave me the suggestion for flipping the MK with iPad attached over as a quick way of getting a stable surface to handwrite notes on. I’ve found this suggestion invaluable when it comes to taking short handwritten notes in the middle of a typing session. I also appreciated her suggestion for taking the iPad off the MK, closing the keyboard, and then using the MK as a soft, protected surface onto which to place the IPP for longer handwriting or drawing sessions.

Just because she sometimes behaves like an airhead doesn’t mean that she is incapable of providing valuable reviews any more than that would apply to some dumb-appearing jock who creates useful content. It’s about the content, folks, not about the delivery—or it should be.

Oh, and BTW, I absolutely love my MK.
 
I don't think he's trashing it, he is countering Apples claim that this is your next computer, which from what I gather is not marketed as your next computer if you only do x and y on it, is it your next computer or what? If it's my computer it has to do all the things I want from a computer. I don't want a computer for Luma Fusion and another for Autodesk Inventor and side one for working on complex spreadsheets. A computer to be described as such needs to be able to perform all my tasks; that's why a calculator is called a calculator.
Just because a computing device performs some actions and not some others doesn’t make it any less a “computer.” People who reject the iPad as a computer are laboring under the notion that a computer is ONE particular thing. Apple’s brilliant “What’s a computer” campaign breaks that paradigm. A computer is what ever you use it for.

I know a wealthy older person who owns a Mac Pro, but all he does with it is check his email and shop for model tanks online. To him, that’s what a computer is for. If he were doing the same things on an iPad, then wouldn’t THAT device would be his computer? Or, does his only performing simple tasks on his Mac Pro make THAT device an iPad?
[automerge]1587740688[/automerge]
Just because she sometimes behaves like an airhead doesn’t mean that she is incapable of providing valuable reviews any more than that would apply to some dumb-appearing jock who creates useful content. It’s about the content, folks, not about the delivery—or it should be.

Oh, and BTW, I absolutely love my MK.
You should watch her great review of the new Mac Pro. There’s definitely no “air” in that head.
(That whole “dumb blonde” thing is a shtick that garners her millions of views.)
 
Last edited:
Just because a computing device performs some actions and not some others doesn’t make it any less a “computer.” People who reject the iPad as a computer are laboring under the notion that a computer is ONE particular thing. Apple’s brilliant “What’s a computer” campaign breaks that paradigm. A computer is what ever you use it for.

I know a wealthy older person who owns a Mac Pro, but all he does with it is check his email and shop for model tanks online. To him, that’s what a computer is for. If he were doing the same things on an iPad, then wouldn’t THAT device would be his computer? Or, does his only performing simple tasks on his Mac Pro make THAT device an iPad?
[automerge]1587740688[/automerge]

I know a lot of Mac owners who like their "computer" on display and are never switched on; honestly that is true. A close friend shocked me about a month ago, out of the blue he bought a Mac, because "they look really good and I wanted to treat myself..." For as long as I can remember, for 30+ years we have built our own PC numerous times. To date he hasn't used the new Mac, but I guess he is officially a Mac computer owner.
 
  • Like
Reactions: prospervic
Hi.

Between the Surface Pro's and the iPad's I've had 4 keyboard / covers. None of then would consider a good solution.

On the Surface Pro's the so called Type Cover is designed to be both a cover and a keyboard. As a cover it only covers the front not the back. Also has several connection problems with those pogo connectors. But fundamentally, when using it as a Tablet, moving it to the back, meant that my hands would be systematically feeling the keyboard. Removing it was a solution, but than Windows 10 as a tablet is not really that good either. The keyboard with flex and all, it's just ok. So I kept the keyboard all the time and used it has a regular laptop yet without the processing power and comfort of true laptop.

On the iPad with the Folio Keyboard ... I don't care what other say, for me is not a good keyboard at all. Has a cover works better, but still when folding the thing back, it not really that comfortable to use as a Tablet. So I often removed it.

Both, having the keyboard attached in tablet was dead weight and flawed ergonomics with not purpose in that mode.

With the Magic Keyboard for the iPad Pro, looks like Apple tried to think a bit different about this. In stead of developing a keyboard that works as a cover (Microsoft) or vice versa (Keyboard Folio), it tried instead to build a portable iPad Pro stand with a keyboard. Yes, for portability we can leave the keyboard attached, yet I would never use it as a cover. This approach is further accentuated by the fact that if we want to use it as a tablet it needs to be removed from the "stand".

This kinds of reminds me Microsoft approach to the Surface Book, but better in some aspects. It's lighter, easier to attach and detach and the tablet alone has far more battery life in it.

I ordered mine, but most of the time I will leave it on the desk, a stand with a keyboard. And take it from the desk and put it in the bad when I believe it will be needed.

This gives me the best of both worlds.

For true cover something of 20 bucks is all that it's needed.

Cheers.
 
I know a lot of Mac owners who like their "computer" on display and are never switched on; honestly that is true. A close friend shocked me about a month ago, out of the blue he bought a Mac, because "they look really good and I wanted to treat myself..." For as long as I can remember, for 30+ years we have built our own PC numerous times. To date he hasn't used the new Mac, but I guess he is officially a Mac computer owner.
It's like those homes that have on display a beautiful baby grand piano that nobody plays.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ani4ani
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.