Magic Mouse = ****?

Discussion in 'Design and Graphics' started by fourcolourblack, Oct 29, 2009.

  1. fourcolourblack macrumors member

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    I've put this in the design threads for a reason.

    Got a new iMac at work, and I lasted about 5 minutes with the new Magic Mouse and tiny keyboard. This has to be the least design conscious design decision apple have ever made reducing the keyboard size and removing the mouse third button.

    I couldn't figure out have to do a forced line break in InDesign due to the bottom right key not being there anymore. Also, the default shortcut to select all text below isn't possible because of this missing.

    The third mouse button was probably just to my tastes, but this scrolling surface is just rubbish. The ball is accurate and lets you scroll side to side with one finger. I just found the new mouse encourages you to half remove your hand and swipe with two fingers.

    Anyone else perfectly happy with their full sized keyboard and mighty mouse?
     
  2. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    I use a full-sized keyboard. Having access to keyboard shortcuts and keys for special formatting characters including the keypad is crucial, particularly for Quark or InDesign. My desk is a bit messy, anyway, so extra cables don't worry me.

    Same with mice; the Apple Pro mouse is still my mouse of choice. Large, single button that doesn't leave my wrist aching after a few hours, using keyboard shortcuts with my left hand instead of contextual menus. So I bought a few of these on eBay to keep myself going for a while. In my last job, not one of the three designers, nor any of the temps we used to get in, liked the Mighty Mouse either. The Magic Mouse looks to me like another great idea that might favour certain uses over others, design work not being one of them, although I must confess that I haven't yet used one.

    If I had to use one of the new iMacs, I'd replace both keyboard and mouse immediately. You go with what works to get stuff done, not what Apple thinks looks sharp in the showroom.
     
  3. MattSepeta macrumors 65816

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    "Magic Mouse"

    Very disappointed. I went into an apple store to try the new mouse out, and I could barely stand having my hand on it.

    I absolutely love my mighty mouse though. Even with the scroll ball issue, It is sooo easy to fix when it gets clogged up, just turn the mouse upside down and drag it all over some clean paper, and the paper pulls out the gunk.

    Losing the side click is a fail.
    Losing middle press button is a fail
    No scroll ball is a fail

    Small stupid keyboard with no number pad is a huge fail.

    Less is not always more.

    Correct me if im wrong, but they never had a wireless keyboard with a number pad?

    WHY NOT
     
  4. Gav2k macrumors G3

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    Battery life is why simple as that. Users that need a numberpad offen use spreadsheets etc where you would be inputting alot of data. So you would be killing a set of batteries a day.
     
  5. weckart macrumors 68040

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    Nah. I have the full size bluetooth keyboard, spend most of my time on spreadsheets and it does not eat batteries that drastically. It is just Apple's current obsession with size zero everything.

    If Apple wants to conserve even more power, it should bite the bullet and produce an RF keyboard. Bluetooth is less efficient and pairing can be an irritation at times.
     
  6. Flynnstone macrumors 65816

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    I have the older white wireless keyboard with numeric pad. Battery life is fine.

    I bought an iMac a few months ago athe Apple store. It came with the silly little keyboard. I said I wanted the numeric keypad one. They effectively gave it to me.

    I have both the wireless & wired mighty mouse connected to my iMac. I tend to prefer the wired. Its lighter and better response.
     
  7. Angelo95210 macrumors 6502a

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    I don't like Apple's input devices. I am typing on this flat keyboard and I hate it. It's hard as rock below my fingers. I miss the white keyboard. And Logitech's mice are the best everybody agrees on that. I mean on the usability.
     
  8. fourcolourblack thread starter macrumors member

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    Shame there's just us few who feel this way about it. I did try using it for another hour or so after the first post, it was still awful.

    The biggest issue was zooming in InDesign though. InDesign fair enough, not as smooth as the way Photoshop zooms in as its handling lots more usually but with the new mouse it was almost delayed. I couldn't help but think it reminded me of the way it looks in Time Machine, that half second delay when you click and earlier finder window.

    Yeah its a nice effect but it just needs to zoom in and out exactly when I need it to.

    I wonder if there are any wireless Might Mouses out there in clearance. I'd consider stocking up. I think there should be a choice to have the wired full sized keyboard for free. Silly to take this away.
     
  9. kylos macrumors 6502a

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    My brief experience in-store: I liked the scrolling, best of trackpad and mouse. However, I found the backward and forward gestures to be extremely awkward. I had difficulty swiping while holding the mouse, moving only my fingers , but when I tried to release the mouse to free my wrist for the motion, the swipe would not register if I used too soft a swipe or I would end up pushing the mouse across the desk if I used to hard a swipe. I couldn't consistently produce a good swipe. No comment on the loss of a third button as I haven't used that feature.
     
  10. brad.c macrumors 68020

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    That doesn't make sense. Spreadsheet apps hold no monopoly on keystrokes, nor does having more keys equal more power consumed.

    Being in a design thread, I add that I use the numpad on my white extended BT keyboard for InDesign keyboard shortcuts. I dread the day it gives up the ghost.
     
  11. macminz macrumors newbie

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    Which key is missing from the wireless keyboard? Ive had a mini apple keyboard for a good 6months and its dead nice. I like it alot.

    As for the magic mouse, Ive just got it tonight and had a quick play around first and wasnt keen on the shape. But after 2 and half hours rehashing a website, Im not to bothered by the shape.. just gotta get used to the shape of it. I was so used to a mighty mouse but the scroll ball was absolute shocking on that. The amount of crap that got inside never to be seen again!!! Yes Yes Ive read all the threads, tips and watched the videos to clean it.... Doesnt work in my eyes!!

    The magic mouse is growing on me....
     
  12. maclook macrumors 65816

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    people don't like the keyboard? i love it. isn't it the exact same as macbook keyboards? its the most beautiful keyboard ive ever seen and it's functional. i dont really feel like you can mess up a keyboard. the magic mouse, however, i can see it not being so successful for design purposes. i have to try it out for myself though. it would look sexy on my desk
     
  13. ezekielrage_99 macrumors 68040

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    Apple input devices are like communism, on paper they sound great but in reality they suck balls...

    I had so much expectation for the new Apple Mouse, but after trying in the Sydney Apple store I was bitterly disappointed. Another sucky Apple mouse...

    The mouse really doesn't feel right, and the tactileless response from the mouse is just plain bad industrial design. I feel the mouse it just trying to be too smart for it's own good.

    Well it looks like I'll stick with my Razor Diamondback...
     
  14. maclook macrumors 65816

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    quick questions for anyone who tried it:
    does the 360 pan work in documents like a photoshop file?
    do you have to lift your right finger to left click or vice versa?
     
  15. Andrew Henry macrumors 6502a

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    I went to the Apple store yesterday specifically to try out the Magic Mouse, I like it a lot, everything seems to move smoothly for me, and I would have bought one if they had them in stock, the only issue I have is that even after turning the speed all the way up, it still doesn't track fast enough for me, I have my mice set very high because moving back and forth across 2 monitors can really be a pain sometimes.
     
  16. Aniday macrumors regular

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    Dunno about photoshop but yes, you do have to lift a finger to right click. I think left clicks register fine with two fingers resting on it.

    I don’t think it’s worth the price if the mouse doesn’t do exposé. When I was demoing it I kept wanting to do some swipe for exposé like a trackpad.
     
  17. IgnatiusTheKing macrumors 68040

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    Just to be clear (in regards to the OP), you CAN still get the extended, wired keyboard with the purchase of an iMac.
     
  18. inkhead macrumors regular

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    If you spend 90% of your life on a unibody or macbook pro with giant touchpad and do design, this mouse is a must. If you work at a desk with a regular mouse it's going to take you a while to adjust, and by a while, I mean 30 days.

    It took me that long to get used to unibody trackpad vs. old school style.

    I work in pixel perfect design details all day and I prefer the trackpad on my 17" unibody to any mouse any day of the week, and I'm deadly accurate. This is the first mouse that allows me to keep that accuracy and not have to have the freaking MacBook Pro in front of my 30 screen.

    Point is, if you don't use a unibody trackpad, you're gonnna need 30 days to adjust to this mouse.
     
  19. chaosbunny macrumors 68000

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    I don't care for the mighty or magic mouse - or any mouse, I only use my wacom A4 tablet for ergonomic reasons and precision. It took some time to get used to it but now I like it far better than any mouse now.

    But I appreciate the small keyboard, because with a larger one and the big tablet next to it I sometimes had to stretch my arms a bit to reach for shortcuts while navigating on the tablet.

    To each their own I guess.
     
  20. gjw4u macrumors 6502

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    You can also choose the Mighty Mouse (you even pay less) if you oder your iMac online.
     
  21. ManuelGnR macrumors regular

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    Here in the Netherlands, it makes no difference whether you choose wired/wireless keyboard and Magic/Mighty mouse. At least not in price, only in shipping dates.

    Sadly.
     
  22. bbotte macrumors 65816

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    Apple makes nothing that can replace my Logitech MX1000 Laser rechargeable. Why would I buy a mouse or half keyboard I have to feed them batteries? :mad: I use the full Apple USB keyboard.
     
  23. LERsince1991 macrumors 65816

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    went to buy a magic mouse, tried it out and its impossible to use!

    bare in mind im currently using a mouse and a macbook trackpad so it should have been the perfect bridge between them. It just doesnt work for me...
    I'm normally very eager to try new tech and give it a chance but... just NO :(
    Off to buy a mighty mouse for me for much much less lol
     
  24. dazey macrumors 6502

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    I detest the new slim keyboards and their short travel keys. I had a standard mac keyboard die on me and had to replace it, I tried the new slim (wired and with numeric keypad) and I could stand it for about a day. I ended up sourcing an old white pro keyboard (g4 era) and did a direct swap with someone. I still wish I kept my old keyboard from the 512se (which I used on an SE30)
     
  25. Thanatoast macrumors 6502a

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    Just bought a magic mouse last night and have been using it all day. I'm only a casual user, but I've had no problems adjusting. one thing I notices was that the mouse I took home didn't have the same feel, because, I assume, it didn't have everybody's grimy hands all over it. Scrolling, clicking and tracking re fine.

    I do agree, however, that a full wireless keyboard should be an option. Give me my number pad!
     

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