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RyanFlynn

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Well, you can't say I didn't try! I love the battery life and performance! Unfortunately, software crucial to my work won't run at all. Im going to have to send this thing back and go back to my 16-inch macbook pro for travel and PC for work.

I understand there is a long wait on these things. Should I list it at retail on craigslist or just send it back to apple?

Ryan
 

RyanFlynn

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Can you list the crucial software that doesn’t work?

of course! Should’ve mentioned it.
I compose music for film and video games.

The most devastating incompatibility is Native access, because one needs to use that to install kontact. Without kontact, most of my spitfire audio samples don’t work.

The other piece of software is Cubase 11. While I can use logic in a pinch, I won’t be able to easily share my projects with my studio computer.
 

MarkC426

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Does your 16inch Mbp run Big Sur and Cubase?
If so contact Apple, they plugged that apps should work seamlessly with Rosetta 2.
 

jeyf

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If the computer dosnt match your needs just return it
RETURN IT


your personal time is worth it.
 
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ArPe

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According to Steinberg they haven’t finished testing Cubase for Big Sur on Intel yet let alone the M1 so this was one to wait for.
 
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of course! Should’ve mentioned it.
I compose music for film and video games.

The most devastating incompatibility is Native access, because one needs to use that to install kontact. Without kontact, most of my spitfire audio samples don’t work.

The other piece of software is Cubase 11. While I can use logic in a pinch, I won’t be able to easily share my projects with my studio computer.
That’s the downside of being an early adopter before software has been updated. It was rough back in 2006 when they went from PowerPC to x86.

You could ask them when they expect to have universal apps ready.
 

SBruv

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Almost no pro audio gear is fully compatible with Big Sur let alone M1. None of my Apogee gear works. Expect to wait at least 6 months before Big Sur is fully supported and then add another 6 months for Apple Silicon.
That's total speculation. Apple Silicon won't take anywhere near that long to find wide adoption by pro audio devs and manufacturers.
 
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KPOM

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Well, you can't say I didn't try! I love the battery life and performance! Unfortunately, software crucial to my work won't run at all. Im going to have to send this thing back and go back to my 16-inch macbook pro for travel and PC for work.

I understand there is a long wait on these things. Should I list it at retail on craigslist or just send it back to apple?

Ryan
Which model do you have? The 8GB models of the Air and Pro have express pickup available in my area, but the 16GB models generally do not, and show late December shipping times. If you think you can recover your sales tax, give it a shot, since you have until January 8 to return it to Apple (it is within the holiday return period).
 

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That's total speculation. Apple Silicon won't take anywhere near that long to find wide adoption by pro audio devs and manufacturers.
That’s just my experience for the last several years of MacOS updates. Apogee still hasn’t made my Duet compatible with iPad Pro over usb-c (works on lighting ports) and it’s been over 2 years now.
 
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imdog

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Almost no pro audio gear is fully compatible with Big Sur let alone M1. None of my Apogee gear works. Expect to wait at least 6 months before Big Sur is fully supported and then add another 6 months for Apple Silicon.
Your Apogee Duet doesn't work with the M1/Big Sur? On their website it says they do, I have an M1 Mac mini on order and if that's true that's a dealbreaker for me.
 

glindon

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For Mac M1 the keyboard volume buttons don’t work. Everything else is good.
My primary interface is the Ensemble Thunderbolt and it doesn’t work right with logic or Big Sur. Both intel and M1.
 

imdog

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For Mac M1 the keyboard volume buttons don’t work. Everything else is good.
My primary interface is the Ensemble Thunderbolt and it doesn’t work right with logic or Big Sur. Both intel and M1.
Volume controls on the Duet itself work? Just not on the keyboard? & do the on-screen volume controls work?
 

Don909

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Return it. Don't hassle with private sales and the ensuing problems that can arise and high commissions.

I returned my M1 Mac Mini due to no Parallels support.
 

Luposian

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If only people did their research BEFORE they buy the product, maybe there’d be fewer returns? Gee, seems like a simple and smart thing to do...

For me, when I get my M1 Mac Mini, I will be using a USB wired keyboard and mouse to set up, then test my wireless Logitech trackball, but keep a wired USB keyboard.

Use only M1-native apps (oh, wait... if Logitech doesn’t have an M1-native Wireless driver for the M1 Mac, I’ll forgo that and use an older USB Logitech for awhile). Test everything I install and make sure I don’t HAVE to have it, in case it has issues.

You know... one foot in front of the other kinda stuff. Not (figuratively) jumping into the pool head first, and THEN realize (waking up in the hospital, paralyzed from the neck down), I jumped into the SHALLOW end, by mistake.

I get being eager to get the latest and greatest Apple tech... but SOME caution is always warranted.
 

bobmans

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If only people did their research BEFORE they buy the product, maybe there’d be fewer returns? Gee, seems like a simple and smart thing to do...

For me, when I get my M1 Mac Mini, I will be using a USB wired keyboard and mouse to set up, then test my wireless Logitech trackball, but keep a wired USB keyboard.

Use only M1-native apps (oh, wait... if Logitech doesn’t have an M1-native Wireless driver for the M1 Mac, I’ll forgo that and use an older USB Logitech for awhile). Test everything I install and make sure I don’t HAVE to have it, in case it has issues.

You know... one foot in front of the other kinda stuff. Not (figuratively) jumping into the pool head first, and THEN realize (waking up in the hospital, paralyzed from the neck down), I jumped into the SHALLOW end, by mistake.

I get being eager to get the latest and greatest Apple tech... but SOME caution is always warranted.
I can't blame the OP.

Apple has said old applications should still work through Rosetta 2. They never published a list of applications that won't work (except Bootcamp support I guess). If he purchases an M1 Mac with the assumption that his applications would work (because that's literally what Apple said) and they end up not working then he's in his full right to return it and create a thread about it here.
 

Luposian

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I can't blame the OP.

Apple has said old applications should still work through Rosetta 2. They never published a list of applications that won't work (except Bootcamp support I guess). If he purchases an M1 Mac with the assumption that his applications would work (because that's literally what Apple said) and they end up not working then he's in his full right to return it and create a thread about it here.
Anyone dumb enough to believe EVERYTHING Apple says, like it's from the mouth of God Himself, is just asking for disappointments. Companies tout the wonderful framework, without a lot of the caveats! As I say, "Shoulda ain't dida". What that means is, "It shoulda worked!" doesn't mean "it did work". Of COURSE Apple is going to say X is "most likely" or "probably" going to work in Rosetta 2. They have a general idea/feeling about how well Rosetta 2 works. But, if you take that as carte blanche to put all your hopes into it, right off the bat, you're going to be disappointed. Apple can NOT claim 100% functionality, because they can't KNOW what they don't know. But the framework is there... it's designed to work as a stop-gap measure, to get you by... but nobody puts a dot band aid over a gash in your arm and calls it good! But the band aid didn't fail it's job... it just wasn't able to cover the ENTIRE injury!

And so it goes, because people who jump in, headlong, into the pool, get injured... end up blaming the pool manufacturer! Instead of being patient, doing their research (due diligence), etc., they end up disappointed and angry, saying the M1 Mac sucks because it doesn't perform flawlessly and they assumed it would!

Well, guess what... there's a saying: "NEVER assume... it makes an ASS out of U and ME". ;)
 
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vocalnick

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of course! Should’ve mentioned it.
I compose music for film and video games.

The most devastating incompatibility is Native access, because one needs to use that to install kontact. Without kontact, most of my spitfire audio samples don’t work.

I’m in a similar line of work. The infuriating thing is that Kontakt itself works with Rosetta (I migrated my old system across, along with all the apps and plugins) but without Native Access there’s no way to register the libraries. So close, yet so far away!

I’m going to stick with the M1 for now, because I have another machine for work, and I assume Native Instruments will get their act together at some stage, but I definitely feel your pain.
 

imdog

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I’m in a similar line of work. The infuriating thing is that Kontakt itself works with Rosetta (I migrated my old system across, along with all the apps and plugins) but without Native Access there’s no way to register the libraries. So close, yet so far away!

I’m going to stick with the M1 for now, because I have another machine for work, and I assume Native Instruments will get their act together at some stage, but I definitely feel your pain.
I have an M1 Mac mini on the way and my primary use case is music production & video editing, fortunately it seems like mostly everything I use is compatible already (Logic & Final Cut Pro). My audio interface is Apogee Duet 2 which is already compatible with M1 & Big Sur. Most plugins I use already work too (albeit in Rosetta), the literal only thing is Native Access. I saw one YouTube video of a guy using Native Instruments plugins in Kontakt on an M1 Mac.

So if I'm understanding correctly, if you register your libraries on another computer; you could transfer them and still use Native Instruments libraries in Kontakt on the M1 Macs? The bottleneck here is Native Access? If so I could use my uncles intel Mac to transfer these libraries to my M1 and just use them as normal?

Edit: also if the problem here is just Native Access, I would think that's a lot easier for them to fix, which means perhaps we'll have M1/Big Sur support fairly soon?
 
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vocalnick

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So if I'm understanding correctly, if you register your libraries on another computer; you could transfer them and still use Native Instruments libraries in Kontakt on the M1 Macs? The bottleneck here is Native Access? If so I could use my uncles intel Mac to transfer these libraries to my M1 and just use them as normal?
I haven't been able to find a way to make that work, sadly. The registration seems to be tied to the hardware (i.e. once you move them across they become unregistered again).

I have been able to use my libraries (Komplete 12, and a few Spitfire libs) but only in demo mode (time limited to 15 minutes, and you can't save the plugin state).

I hope you're right about them being able to roll out support soon... but NI don't always move super fast on this stuff :(
 

kp98077

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Well, you can't say I didn't try! I love the battery life and performance! Unfortunately, software crucial to my work won't run at all. Im going to have to send this thing back and go back to my 16-inch macbook pro for travel and PC for work.

I understand there is a long wait on these things. Should I list it at retail on craigslist or just send it back to apple?

Ryan
yikes!!! a 16" for traveL?
 

Wolfmore

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you mean Facebook Market place? yeah could sell it there if you think you can profit. Otherwise return. Are you experienced with selling face to face? If not I would urge you meet people at your local Police Station and CASH only. I've done this before. They don't mind and already know people meet there. Just go in and tell them you there to meet someone that is buying your computer. Meet inside not outside a Police Station. Stay safe.
 
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