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Man Killed During Masonic Initiation

I live in Old Town Alexandria and like eyelikeart mentioned, he's not surprised about the weirdness of Masons since for last year's Geekfest I suggested that they all take a tour of George Washington Masonic Memorial . Needless to say they came away a bit amused. And I recommend the tour for anyone visiting the area, it is without a doubt one of the more unique things in the area. And it has a great view for the little time they allow you outside on the observation deck.

There are lots of conspiracies associated with the Masons, Knights Templar, Shiners, etc. As for the initiation, it sounds much more like bad university fraternity hazing.

And how do you become an ex-mason, btw? You have all sorts of info on the 'secrets' yet are you still bound by the oaths?

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poopyhead said:
How can chubby middle-aged men in little go-carts be evil?
I simply don't see it.

I thought Mason initiation was all about falling ~3 feet as a trust thing
then pretending to be dead so as to be ritually risen, in a non evil way, so as to start your life anew in the brotherhood of the Masons

Didn't they grow out of the knights templar a strange but christian, certainly not satanic, organization?
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Sound like you have done some research. Yes you are right about the Middle Pargraph. However, the "Shriners" are the "chubby middle-aged men in little go-carts" which is an North American Masonic organization, and run a buch of Children's Burn and Orthopedic Hospitals in the US and Canada.

You are also kind of right about the Knights Templar, they actuall came from Masons via the Catholic Church to Protect The Vatican, and participated in the Crusades.

Mr. Anderson - You can become an ex(communicated)-mason when you are ousted from the "craft". You can do this by revealing the protected secrets, or breaking any of the tenants of Masonry, which you learn durring degree ceramonies. There is a judicial process that can look over cases and hold hearing on a punishment.

TEG
 
The Knights Templar are an ancient order of Knights that arose during the crusades but were all rounded up and killed by the French King for their money. It all started with the arrest of the French Knights by Philip the Fair on Friday the 13th of October 1307. What followed was a set of accusations against the brethren of the order. This set of accusations was similar to that used against the Cathars before them and would be used by the Inquisition against the poor peasants of Medieval Europe accused of being Witches.

That's where the onus on Friday the 13th comes in. :D

Masons and Knights Templar are somewhat related, although there are other groups affiliated with the name and have nothing to do with the Masons directly.

Go to http://www.templarhistory.com/ to find out more if you're curious.

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Mr. Anderson said:
I live in Old Town Alexandria and like eyelikeart mentioned, he's not surprised about the weirdness of Masons since for last year's Geekfest I suggested that they all take a tour of George Washington Masonic Memorial . Needless to say they came away a bit amused. And I recommend the tour for anyone visiting the area, it is without a doubt one of the more unique things in the area. And it has a great view for the little time they allow you outside on the observation deck.
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It truly is beautiful to see. It's just that end part where they do this media presentation that kinda made me feel weird about the whole thing.
 
TEG said:
It is nice to have a network of people, around the world, whom you can lean on in case of a crisis. Its also nice to find a group of people with similar beliefs, morals, and ideas, something hard to find in the rest of society.

hvfsl... Having had deep conversations with Masons from 3rd to 33rd Degrees (33 being the highest level able to be held), I can tell you with out a doubt that the person you spoke to is either a) Trying to scare you, b) Has a grudge against the Masons (the largest source of false information is from former members) or c) Part of one of the Splinter groups that have perverted the ideals for their own use.
I'm just saying that, through all my research, coupled with the knowledge gathered by asking such questions, that your 'friend' is wrong.

As I said earlier, all the ritual, ceremony, and beliefs (and I do mean ALL) are availible for anyone to view, all you need to do is to do some research. I gathered data for 3 years on Masonry before deciding to Join, that is the basis of my 'arguement'.

TEG
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When I saw a program on TV about the masons, one of the things they had to do to join, was kiss a skull (although I dont think it was a real skull). I was wondering if you did that or you know people that do?

And the reason the person left is because he became a christain and did not agree with what the masons stood for.
 
No, I did not kiss a skull, nor is that one of the ritual, at least not for Freemasonry. I will admit that I am not all that familar with Ancient Freemasonry (Actually newer than Freemasonry). Most of the ritual is the same, and most of the differences are in language.

There is no anamosity between the two, just it is different when one is not used to the procedure. Both exist in the US, usually confined to a whole state, but there are unique situations were an AF&AM Lodge exists in the same state as F&AM lodges (Acient Free and Accepted Masons & Free and Accepted Masons respectivly).

TEG
 
miloblithe said:
That may well be, but what about helping your fellow man requires doing it in a secret society with secret innitiation rites?

Answer: nothing.
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Doesn't matter. A private group can do anything it its members want, and they do not have to answer to anyone outside of the group, UNLESS A CRIME happens. In this case, turns out it was an accident.

If they wanted to scare someone, couldn't they have just asked Janet Reno to appear before the man in a bikini? Oh wait, that would be worse. :eek:
 
Frohickey said:
Doesn't matter. A private group can do anything it its members want, and they do not have to answer to anyone outside of the group, UNLESS A CRIME happens. In this case, turns out it was an accident.

If they wanted to scare someone, couldn't they have just asked Janet Reno to appear before the man in a bikini? Oh wait, that would be worse. :eek:
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Exactly.

Yea Janet Reno would be scarry. It would be worse if s/he was in Lengurie (sp?) and threating to have sex with you.

TEG
 
TEG said:
Exactly.

Yea Janet Reno would be scarry. It would be worse if s/he was in Lengurie (sp?) and threating to have sex with you.

TEG
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with her deep grumbly voice, wild eyes, and swagger I think she would be a tiger. For some reason I can only picture her in a slightly off kilter leather boost-te-a (can't spell so I'm relying on phonetics) and tan velcro hushpuppies. :D
 
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