?mark folder, no Single-User Mode or CD/DVD boot

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  1. faintember macrumors 65816

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    My first gen Macbook's (2Ghz C2D, running 10.4.11) HD started clicking after the iTunes 7.6 and Quicktime 7.4 downloads last night after I chose to shut down the computer rather than restart. The computer hung by just displaying the desktop without the menu bar or the dock showing. It was getting late so I just manually shut the system down.

    Upon starting it up this morning the same issue persisted, so I tried the normal boot from DVD method and the single-user mode method (to run fsck) and neither option will work (after holding down the appropriate button combinations for longer than 5 minutes). I tried to reset the PRAM and it seemed to work (i.e. I heard the chime while holding the keyboard command and it restarted), but it went to a solid question mark folder. Several attempts later both the DVD boot method and the single-user mode boot lead me to the same solid question mark folder.

    It seems like my HD is gone for good (and no, I do not have a back up of that HD), but I was under the impression that DVD booting and fsck should work regardless of the HD status. Is there anything else I can try?

    P.S. The original HD was replaced when I bought the unit with a Hitachi Travelstar 7200rpm 100GB HD, so supposedly it should still be covered by Hitachi's 3 year warranty.
     
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    Hmm my old boss used to refer to those as "Deathstars". :(

    Clicking certainly sounds like a roached HD. If you unplug it, can you start booting from the DVD again?
     
  3. faintember thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Haven't thought of that possibility, so I will give it a try now and report back.
     
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    I should note that the Single User Mode will only work if the OS is functional.

    But you're trying to boot using the Option button with the DVD in the drive and it's not showing up?
     
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    Removed the HD and attempted to boot from the Tiger DVD (holding "C" after pressing the power button) and I get a flashing question mark folder, but no boot via the DVD.

    I also tried single-user mode and it produces the same results.

    Edit: Nope, been using C after startup...attempting the option startup now. Also thanks for the info about single-user mode; i just thought it directly related to the firmware on the chip.

    Edit2: Holding Option with the Tiger install in the DVD drive leaves me at a grey screen with a cursor and nothing more. This is still referring to the HD being removed from the machine.
     
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    Hmm.. how sure are you that the DVD (disc) works, that the DVD drive works?
     
  7. faintember thread starter macrumors 65816

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    The install disk was the same one I used for my Tiger install on my macs and has been used to help a friend reset a password on his mac.

    The DVD drive worked as of last week when I ripped some recordings of some my recent concerts.

    I decided to put the HD back in, and then try with the DVD in as well as the HD while holding option. This time I got the option of an EFI Boot.

    Also, I will check the DVD on my TiPB that I am using now.

    Edit: the DVD loads up fine on my TiPB.
     
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    Are all the other macs PPC macs? And is the disc you're using for Intel, or only for PPCs? Why not just use the DVD that came with the Mac?
     
  9. faintember thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I only have two macs, one being my TiPB PPC and the, Intel Macbook in question. The Tiger DVD installed the OS on both machines IIRC (well, reinstalled the OS on the Macbook that is).

    I did find the original disks that came with the Macbook. I figured that wouldn't make any difference, but it did for some reason, and thus I was able to run Disk Utilities. SMART Status says it is Verified, however I get this error:

    Code:
    Invalid node structure
    Rebuilding Catalog B-tree
    The volume could not be repaired.
    
    Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit
    So I assume that means the HD is fully borked?
     
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    Well, SMART status is being "verified" is a good sign that the HD is OK.. but I don't think you're going to get any data off that drive. If there's nothing there that you need (e.g., you have a good backup), I'd just do a 7-pass erase and start over.
     
  11. faintember thread starter macrumors 65816

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    There is no backup of the HD. If money were as easy to come by as political ads, then I would have enough money to buy an external. Unfortunately, finances never allowed me to purchase one.

    Is Disk Warrior even worth an attempt?
     
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    Sure.. but there's no guarantee that it'll work.. or that it won't make the situation worse. That being said, if I was in your shoes, DW would probably be my next stop.
     
  13. faintember thread starter macrumors 65816

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    There really is no way the situation can get worse.

    I may purchase DW, however money, once again, is the issue.

    Lovely how a iTunes/Quicktime update was the last thing my computer did before this.

    Edit: Yellow, thanks for all of your help, and I apologize I didn't thank you earlier, as my mind was elsewhere.
     

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