Mark Zuckerberg Rebuts Tim Cook: Companies That Charge You More Don't Necessarily Care About You More

[Cougarcat]

Apple has such an obscene amount of money in the bank from their products that they could theoretically make an ad-free, free as in beer privacy-focused Facebook clone if they wanted to. Not saying people would switch, though.

If Apple were any good at web services, I’d say they should do that as well as make free ad-free versions of all of Google’s services, including search. What good is Apple’s privacy policy when you have to effectively abandon it when you launch Safari?

 

[samcraig]

When a company doesn't charge you anything, it's easy to believe they don't care about you at all.

Really? That's the baseline?

Apple: "How much can we sell to our customers"?
Facebook: "How much of our customers can we sell"?

A fallacy as explained above.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

I am with Apple and Tim Cook on this.

 

[doelcm82]

I don’t expect Apple (or Facebook) to care about me. In that regard, they are the same. I do expect, because of their statements and especially their actions, for Apple to care more about protecting its users’ privacy. They can do this without giving me a hug.

When Zuckerberg tries to dismiss this important issue as something “touchy-feely” he is missing the point.

 

[BvizioN]

Not a fan of FB but he's not wrong...
People think thank Tim Cook is some sort of nice guy... He plays a good one though....

Of course dude.
Can I just say, not everyone knows Tim as well as you do.

 

[69Mustang]

I find it ironic that Tim throws shade at free ad supported services but he has no problem using those services to Apple's advantage. Apple has a presence on pretty much every free ad supported social network of any relevance. So they can't be all that bad, right? Most ironic is the "you are not the product" rhetoric. If the rumored numbers are true, you are most definitely the product and I can tell you how much you're worth... approximately $3 billion wholesale for your search results.

Neither of these companies care about you. They both care about making money off you... both directly and indirectly.

 

[StevieD100]

You're right. Not iAds. They sunsetted that. They have other advertising "avenues" though through the app store, Apple News, etc

While that might be true, you don't have to use Apple News or the App Store every day. I only use the App Store to update the few Free apps I use. Even then, I don't recall ever seeing any adverts.
With Facebook, it is different. They need you to see adverts to get their ad revenue.
A very different model and has a lot to do with why I will never sign up for FB or any other antisocial media site.

 

[Scottsoapbox]

The problem with the 'some people can't afford it' argument is that advertisers aren't trying to reach customers that can't afford to buy anything.

 

[wigby]

Awe, a catfight. Mark just ruined his chances at running for President in 2020 with this whole Facebook blowup in recent weeks.

Have you seen the current President? These past few weeks will only help Zuckerberg with his 2020 campaign assuming anyone even remembers.

 

[nfl46]

I’m not so sure, Trump has some major skeletons and rotting horse **** in his closet that nobody cared about.

You gotta point there.

 

[jlseattle]

Didn’t Zuck think his users that gave their data to him as dumb (expletive). I’ll go with Apple over FB in protecting user data.

 

[nfl46]

Have you seen the current President? These past few weeks will only help Zuckerberg with his 2020 campaign assuming anyone even remembers.

Lol! Yeah, the other posted reminded me of that. 2020 will be interesting for Mark.

Tim Cook for 2028 at this rate. That gives him 7-10 years to retire. Lol.

 

[doctor-don]

What is this Facebook of which you speak?

 

[Martyimac]

"Don't Necessarily" is the key point here.

But there is a strong correlation......

Facebook cares about:

1. Their bottom line
2. Their bottom line
3. Advertisers
4. That the user use their site
.
.
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122324345. The user

Companies as Apple can at least cut no.3, wether the user is above or below 122324345th is another question.

With the exception of #3, you have just described 

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

I’m very glad I haven’t participated in any form social media since you needed a .edu account.

 

[spazzcat]

No - that's not accurate. They charge more because they are a product company. Services yes, but compared to FB, they have way more SKUs - don't they?

Apple has iAds, they brokered a deal with Google where google pays to be their search engine of choice. Don't kid yourself thinking Apple is much different. They just aren't as successful (they wish they were) with iAds.

If you look at Apple, Google, Amazon, Facebook - their privacy policies are very similar when it comes to data.

The reason iAds failed was they were not selling our data. Facebook and Google, we are the product.

Edit: One of the reason Siri isn't as good at random request is because of Apple privacy policies.

 

[wigby]

The situation basically is they both enjoy exploiting some of the dumbest consumer base in the face of earth. The rest is sterile chat about who's morale strategy is less incorrect.

So you've essentially lumped in about 1/2 of the world's population as the dumbest. Are you including yourself and everyone here too?

 

[69Mustang]

The problem with the 'some people can't afford it' argument is that advertisers aren't trying to reach customers that can't afford to buy anything.

The problem with your take is Zuck isn't applying "some people can't afford it" to advertisers. It's about FB users. You can't lift a statement that you know to be about one thing and try to apply it to another as if it has meaning. That's just creating a false narrative.

 

[samcraig]

While that might be true, you don't have to use Apple News or the App Store every day. I only use the App Store to update the few Free apps I use. Even then, I don't recall ever seeing any adverts.
With Facebook, it is different. They need you to see adverts to get their ad revenue.
A very different model and has a lot to do with why I will never sign up for FB or any other antisocial media site.

This is only because iAds was a failure. Had Apple eased up on approvals/costs - and it took off, believe me, you would be seeing more advertising.

 

[Smith288]

I’m not so sure, Trump has some major skeletons and rotting horse **** in his closet that nobody cared about.

Trump's skeletons werent closeted and he often paraded them. Voters just didnt care about hookers or shady business deals next to Hillary and her skeletons.

As far as Zuck...he walks around like a skeleton free dude so this type of bad PR will harm any supposed run if he tried.

 

[samcraig]

The reason iAds failed was they were not selling our data. Facebook and Google, we are the product.

Edit: One of the reason Siri isn't as good at random request is because of Apple privacy policies.

iAds failed for many reason. And Google, for example does not sell your data. Let's be semantically correct.

 

[spazzcat]

iAds failed for many reason. And Google, for example does not sell your data. Let's be semantically correct.

They don't sell it, they give it away free to sell ads. I can use Googles data anytime to make my ads more effective.

 

[Jsameds]

Weak ass argument.

Sorry Mark, trying to point at others doesn’t excuse your clear guilt.

 

[dotnet]

I find it ironic that Tim throws shade at free ad supported services but he has no problem using those services to Apple's advantage.

Facebook is not just an ad supported service. There is a big difference between charging someone for putting their banner onto your users' screens and charging them for intelligence you collect about your users.

 

[cocky jeremy]

Its not black and white. Each of them have valid points, in their little cute bitch fight!

Neither Facebook or Apple are angels.

Each company exists for one reason - to get as much money from their customers are possible. Both companies have different ways to achieve this.

Apple is honest though. They charge what they charge. You can choose to purchase or choose not to. Facebook tracks you even if you aren't on their site. They sell you to their actual customers.