Just because something is stolen doesn't mean it can't also be executed badly. I'm not saying Apple's version of the blood ox sensor is stolen or bad or anything, but the two are not mutually exclusive.
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Masimo CEO: Apple Watch Blood Oxygen Sensor is Not Reliable, Customers Are 'Better Off Without It'
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I have heard nothing but good things about B&W when it comes to sound quality. Sure they may have issue with quality control but for sound they are suppose to be very good. I wanted to try out their Px8 headphones but with all the demo locations so far away I went with AirPods Max. I do wonder what rational was used for a predominantly medical company to buy an audio company?
so when you go to your doctor and they take your blood oxygen, for basically a single measurement - it's a gimmick. Gotcha
So this is an extortion thing.
Apple should just buy Masimo and immediately dissolve it
Do you know how complicated that is? If Apple does add that to the Apple Watch, it will not be for medical use.
I know someone in here in the UK who has type one diabetes. When the first continuous glucose monitor came out — it’s a little disk that you stick on your arm, and then you read with Bluetooth – it was not approved for full medical use. In his case, to be able to drive, he still had to do a prick test. It took two or three years before the technology had been proven enough to be usable.
If Apple or some other company develops a glucose monitoring sensor for a wearable, it will not be as precise as serious continuous glucose monitors which have a little needle that goes into your arm, so it can read the glucose in the interstitial fluid.
An Apple Watch could be useful for detecting trends in blood glucose, but not for detecting real time ups and downs. And it won’t be accurate enough for people with diabetes.
I'm amazed how many of you didn't read the article. It explains how their watch, unlike the Apple Watch, has FDA approval because of its continuous measurement. That's the difference.
I finally found a more in-depth article on the patent dispute - and it's mostly the algorithms - not the actual sensor itself - that are in dispute and collection and use of health data. It's 5 things between two different patents which isn't huge - and you know how general patents can be. "we are patenting the idea of a pulse ox sensor on the wrist but haven't made crap yet."
What was also interesting, is the guy Apple hired from Massimo quit after two months after they released the first Apple watch - so a very long gap before they even started to work on this.
Can’t say I have the energy for another thread on this topic, but let me check my oxygen lev.. oh wait.. 😭
Nobody likes having the tech they've busted their asses to create & refine over the years stolen either.
NO ONE has managed to crack that type of tech yet for your wrist. NO ONE.
The Medical device companies that are close have yet to produce anything accurate enough to even remotely be considered for FDA approval.
No, but when Masimo started filing these patents it was for the fingertip sensor. Then they tried to wring out some claims to cover the Apple Watch, even though Masimo didn't originally think of doing it on the wrist (at least not in their patents).
Apple then figured out how to do it on a wrist-worn device before Masimo did. And there are allegations that Masimo has "stolen" Apple's wrist-worn tech through the litigation discovery process.
So not sure whether anyone is a saint here.
It doesn't do that. But it should tell you when you're ovulating or about to have your rag if you sleep with it on every night.
Track your nightly wrist temperature (Apple Watch Series 8 or Apple Watch Series 9)
Wear Apple Watch Series 8 or Apple Watch Series 9 to bed to track nightly changes in your wrist temperature, which can provide insight into your well-being. In addition, Cycle Tracking can use wrist temperature data to improve period predictions and Receive retrospective ovulation estimates (Apple Watch Series 8 and Apple Watch Series 9 only).To establish your temperature baseline, wear your Apple Watch to bed with Sleep Tracking turned on.
Important: The temperature sensing feature is not a medical device, and is not intended for use in medical diagnosis, treatment, or for any other medical purpose.
Set up wrist temperature tracking
- Set up Sleep with Track Sleep with Apple Watch turned on.
- To establish a temperature baseline, ensure the Sleep Focus is on, then wear your Apple Watch while sleeping.
Wrist temperature data will be available after about five nights.
Supposed to be. I found B&W's mid-sized speakers to be very, very similar to Paradigm's in side-by-side listening tests. The B&Ws were my standard when I started shopping. I went with Paradigms because I was in Canada (where they are or were made) so I could get them at a great price and could get a matching center speaker. They've been great for 25 years. Check 'em out next time you're in the market.
Yeah. I guess what Masimo is really saying is that Masimo’s tech for blood oxygen isn’t actually legit. Seems like the wrong thing to say for Masimo.
So many comical things about that statement - because on people with a chronic illness ever have a pulse ox on them all the bloody time - but the rest of that point not quoted is spot on.
With a finger tip pulse ox, the finger tip narrow and allows the passage of light from the back of your finger through the nail and gets a very accurate scan/reading unlike the wrist that light cannot penetrate through plus you know - big bones, veins, nerves, larger volume of blood - (think singing a flash light through a glass of water vs. a muddy lake).
The wrist is a terrible place for this and can't get anywhere near the quality reading - requiring an algorithm to take multiple readings and aggregate them for better accuracy. The Apple Watch accuracy is pretty bad - it also uses an algorithm (which is one of the patents they are accused of stealing) but has less samples.
Well, during Covid I actually did compare the Apple Watch O2 measurements with professional equipment, and they were pretty good and showed close to the same values. You anyway should use these sort of tools to measure trends and not focus on individual measurements.
Measurements seemed all over with a Series 6. I never saw the value in it. If I get another watch in the future I really don't see any use above the SE version as all these sensors (O2, temp, ECG) aren't medically reliable.
I did check my HR against a Polar chest strap and it was actually reasonably close over multiple instances of working out so I at least have some faith in that.
I did check my HR against a Polar chest strap and it was actually reasonably close over multiple instances of working out so I at least have some faith in that.
Exactly, for „wellness purposes“ and that is why it is basically useless ... but then again, it may have a placebo effect
Well I have both an Apple Watch Ultra and a Masimo Pulse Oximeter. Both give me the same result, so if Apple’s tech isn’t reliable, Masimo’s isn’t either.
I happen to think Apple should just offer them money and settle the issue, but Masimo’s trash talk is just that.
What went wrong is what seemed to be a personality clash of egos between the two CEOs and this is the biggest problem now as far as I can see. If both were on fairly reasonable terms, Apple would pay Masimo some cash and now get an accurate FDA approved O2 monitor - but No! And here we are today, and who loses the most - the consumer…
I have a different theory. I think Apple decided that they didn’t think Masimo’s patents were valid and/or that they couldn’t afford to fight Apple in court, so they went ahead and copied the tech after feigning interest in a collaborative effort and hiring key people from Masimo.
Sleazy and Machiavellian, but typical for capitalist organizations including Apple. Also hypocritical give the number of times Apple has sued other companies for far more questionable patent and trade dress violations.
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What an odd turn of events. Apple stole their IP only to be told by IP owner that their technology is terrible. Apple will just create their own and probably already have done so.