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The addition of independents is great, but I also think that there are several holes in the "corporate" music that ITMS has. Lots of albums don't have all of the tracks from an album. A lot of artists don't have all of their music up there.
The addition of independents is great, but I also think that there are several holes in the "corporate" music that ITMS has. Lots of albums don't have all of the tracks from an album. A lot of artists don't have all of their music up there.
Re: other music
Definitely. iTMS has the first album from The Dandy Warhols, The Dandy Warhols Come Down, but not the two most recent; these two were produced at Capitol. What gives? I have some of their music that I pirated, but I'd like to be legit and support iTMS. Aaaaagh!
Hopefully the rollout of iTMS for Windows will bring a bunch of artists, albums, and songs with it that are sorely missing from the catalog.
EDIT: Bitchin'. This is my 400th post.
Definitely. iTMS has the first album from The Dandy Warhols, The Dandy Warhols Come Down, but not the two most recent; these two were produced at Capitol. What gives? I have some of their music that I pirated, but I'd like to be legit and support iTMS. Aaaaagh!
Hopefully the rollout of iTMS for Windows will bring a bunch of artists, albums, and songs with it that are sorely missing from the catalog.
EDIT: Bitchin'. This is my 400th post.
Woah, they're still around? I saw them in about 1997 in that weird tour that the guy from the Flaming Lips did, with the Flaming Lips, Robyn Hitchcock, Sebadoh, Cornelius, and another Japanese band whose name I forget. Cool show. I went mostly to see Robyn though.
Just thought of a great idea
I got this idea from primuslive.com: Why doesn't apple pair up with the artists and provide high quality soundboard downloads of a band's tour? I loved the Pearl Jam tour CDs but I can imagine such a move by PJ wasn't all that profitable since they had to create thousands of CDs for each show, probably only a fraction of which were bought.
How awesome would it be to hop onto iTunes the night of (or 2 days later or whatever) a concert you went to and download the performance for a nominal fee? Or better yet, enter some unique number from your ticket stub and get the show for free (cost built in to the price of the ticket). This would cut down on the risk the band takes by making thousands of unpurchased CDs, and it gives fans something to take away from the experience besides a $30 t-shirt.
I know some bands already do this. My point is, rather than phish and primus and whoever each having their own method for delivery, why not have them pair with apple and make it standard? And of course this does not mean that bands should not allow fans to tape for themselves. You're paying for soundboard quality recordings.
My $.02.
-p
I got this idea from primuslive.com: Why doesn't apple pair up with the artists and provide high quality soundboard downloads of a band's tour? I loved the Pearl Jam tour CDs but I can imagine such a move by PJ wasn't all that profitable since they had to create thousands of CDs for each show, probably only a fraction of which were bought.
How awesome would it be to hop onto iTunes the night of (or 2 days later or whatever) a concert you went to and download the performance for a nominal fee? Or better yet, enter some unique number from your ticket stub and get the show for free (cost built in to the price of the ticket). This would cut down on the risk the band takes by making thousands of unpurchased CDs, and it gives fans something to take away from the experience besides a $30 t-shirt.
I know some bands already do this. My point is, rather than phish and primus and whoever each having their own method for delivery, why not have them pair with apple and make it standard? And of course this does not mean that bands should not allow fans to tape for themselves. You're paying for soundboard quality recordings.
My $.02.
-p
Surprises for Windows Launch
I will simply presume that Apple has surprises up its sleeve for iTfW -- we need to agree on an abbreviation on that, no? -- but I'd bet the total collection will bulge in some appreciable way. There are also rumors of free promotional tracks, as when iTunes launched. Any other guesses?
And a wildcard: should the iPod be made to accept Windows Media too? Arguments pro and con, but it would put Apple in the uncontested lead: we accept AAC AND Windows audio -- they don't. Add that to stories of Windows going public with its codecs, and launching an OS X version of WM 9, and it gets interesting. Isn't it like the Samba built into OS X? Getting along with Windows networks is important, and music formats may be too.
I will simply presume that Apple has surprises up its sleeve for iTfW -- we need to agree on an abbreviation on that, no? -- but I'd bet the total collection will bulge in some appreciable way. There are also rumors of free promotional tracks, as when iTunes launched. Any other guesses?
And a wildcard: should the iPod be made to accept Windows Media too? Arguments pro and con, but it would put Apple in the uncontested lead: we accept AAC AND Windows audio -- they don't. Add that to stories of Windows going public with its codecs, and launching an OS X version of WM 9, and it gets interesting. Isn't it like the Samba built into OS X? Getting along with Windows networks is important, and music formats may be too.
I bet apple's new adds on thursday for iTunes and iTMS windows will say how many songs they have now.
Indie Labels
A significant amount of the Vagrant catalog (Get Up Kids, Saves the Day, Dashboard Confessional, Hey Mercedes) is also now available in the iTMS. The offerings are incomplete, but they are another independent label. Hopefully some of these smaller labels will start to jump on the bandwagon and realize the potential markets available to them.
A significant amount of the Vagrant catalog (Get Up Kids, Saves the Day, Dashboard Confessional, Hey Mercedes) is also now available in the iTMS. The offerings are incomplete, but they are another independent label. Hopefully some of these smaller labels will start to jump on the bandwagon and realize the potential markets available to them.
Re: Indie Labels
I've got a CD out on DiN records, a very small electronica label. They are talking to Apple at the moment. We are already on the bandwagon and ready to jump. Just waiting for Apple.
If any one wants to here any tracks on DiN go-to www.din.org.uk You can find tracks from my CD at www.dbkaos.com
This will be a very good day when I see my CD on iTunes, even if not many people download any tracks it will still be cool. A few thousand downloads a year would be nice. Plus I would be able to put out live stuff as well.
I've got a CD out on DiN records, a very small electronica label. They are talking to Apple at the moment. We are already on the bandwagon and ready to jump. Just waiting for Apple.
If any one wants to here any tracks on DiN go-to www.din.org.uk You can find tracks from my CD at www.dbkaos.com
This will be a very good day when I see my CD on iTunes, even if not many people download any tracks it will still be cool. A few thousand downloads a year would be nice. Plus I would be able to put out live stuff as well.
Itunes Store
I just uploaded my first CD from the Itunes store. The Interpol Disc-can I call it a disc? Anyway it's a great ummn, collection of songs. It was real easy to do. About time Apple got some good music in store. I am now looking for the new Stereolab e.p. I noticed a slight swoosh in some of the cymbols, otherwise it sounds pretty good. This is bad news for the local record stores I shop at, but good news for the international corporation Apple. Anyway it sounds cool.
I just uploaded my first CD from the Itunes store. The Interpol Disc-can I call it a disc? Anyway it's a great ummn, collection of songs. It was real easy to do. About time Apple got some good music in store. I am now looking for the new Stereolab e.p. I noticed a slight swoosh in some of the cymbols, otherwise it sounds pretty good. This is bad news for the local record stores I shop at, but good news for the international corporation Apple. Anyway it sounds cool.
Re: Itunes Store
Album. Whether it was records, tapes, CDs, whatever, I always called them albums. A collection of songs.
Album.
Whether it was records, tapes, CDs, whatever, I always called them albums. A collection of songs.Metropolis Records!!!!!!
Metropolis Records are also coming to iTunes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bands like: Front Line Assembly, Front 242, Haujobb,cEvin Key,Icon of Coil,:wumpscut:....and many other industral bands.....
How do I know this?!?!!? I emailed them and asked them...they said....
So it looks like more and more Independents are coming...we just have to wait.
Apple has not only changed the way we can get music, but they also leveled out the playing field for all bands....This is good for all........
CS....out
Metropolis Records are also coming to iTunes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bands like: Front Line Assembly, Front 242, Haujobb,cEvin Key,Icon of Coil,:wumpscut:....and many other industral bands.....
How do I know this?!?!!? I emailed them and asked them...they said....
So it looks like more and more Independents are coming...we just have to wait.
Apple has not only changed the way we can get music, but they also leveled out the playing field for all bands....This is good for all........
CS....out
Re: Re: Just thought of a great idea
Not to be glib, but how so? You do the soundboard recording, put it on the iTMS servers, charge a couple bucks and there you go.
Profit = revenue - expenses.
Revenue = say $2000 at 200 ppl x $10 for a show.
Expenses = say $100 for storage, $20 for media to get recording to storage.
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$1880 for profit. Not bad for one show.
Assume 20 shows per tour (wild guess) and you have a profit of $37,600. Not much, but a chunk of change for little work. And this is assuming its not a megastar band.
My question mainly centers around "where are the expenses?" I see only marginal costs and the potential for a fairly good income. I mean, each show is not going to sell thousands and thousands of copies, but I think the revenue to expenses ratio would be pretty decent. Am I forgetting or missing something?
-p
Not to be glib, but how so? You do the soundboard recording, put it on the iTMS servers, charge a couple bucks and there you go.
Profit = revenue - expenses.
Revenue = say $2000 at 200 ppl x $10 for a show.
Expenses = say $100 for storage, $20 for media to get recording to storage.
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$1880 for profit. Not bad for one show.
Assume 20 shows per tour (wild guess) and you have a profit of $37,600. Not much, but a chunk of change for little work. And this is assuming its not a megastar band.
My question mainly centers around "where are the expenses?" I see only marginal costs and the potential for a fairly good income. I mean, each show is not going to sell thousands and thousands of copies, but I think the revenue to expenses ratio would be pretty decent. Am I forgetting or missing something?
-p
Number of songs
I estimate that they have 340,000 songs. How did I come up with this? Take a look at the Just Added page. Just eyeballing it, I see about 16 albums per screen, and there are about 38 screens worth of new albums/week. Let's assume 10 songs/album. So multiply 16*38*10=6080 songs/week. ITMS has been up for about 23 weeks, so 6080*23=139840. Add this to the original 200,000 songs and you get about 340,000, with another 6080 songs every week. Not bad!
I estimate that they have 340,000 songs. How did I come up with this? Take a look at the Just Added page. Just eyeballing it, I see about 16 albums per screen, and there are about 38 screens worth of new albums/week. Let's assume 10 songs/album. So multiply 16*38*10=6080 songs/week. ITMS has been up for about 23 weeks, so 6080*23=139840. Add this to the original 200,000 songs and you get about 340,000, with another 6080 songs every week. Not bad!
Re: Just thought of a great idea
It's not MP3's, but real CD's from http://www.instantliveconcerts.com a company started by evil Clear Channel. There are several ways of selling live music, the problem is getting people to buy it. But since you now can make very small CD runs and still make a profit, there are many ways to offer fans music. While this company is still small, we all know that might change if CC is behind it.
What you suggest about the numbers on tickets, could be done by Clear Channel, since they already control the concerts.
Music is already being sold like that!
It's not MP3's, but real CD's from http://www.instantliveconcerts.com a company started by evil Clear Channel. There are several ways of selling live music, the problem is getting people to buy it. But since you now can make very small CD runs and still make a profit, there are many ways to offer fans music. While this company is still small, we all know that might change if CC is behind it.
What you suggest about the numbers on tickets, could be done by Clear Channel, since they already control the concerts.
As I said "While this company is still small, we all know that might change if CC is behind it."
Sure it's nothing yet, but if you know about CC, you also know that can change very fast.
Anyway, while I'm no fan of CC, Apple could start a pantership with them and offer the same tracks on iTMS on the same night of the concert.
Sure it's nothing yet, but if you know about CC, you also know that can change very fast.
Anyway, while I'm no fan of CC, Apple could start a pantership with them and offer the same tracks on iTMS on the same night of the concert.
Re: Re: Re: Just thought of a great idea
I know about InstantLive. I've been waiting for a band I like since the time they only had 4 CDs available. I periodically check back with it, but the statement above is exactly why I didn't mention it. Keep this in mind (not mrwilly, I mean Dhal), InstantLive still suffers from needing burning machines and loads of CDs. Then they have to ship the CDs to people that weren't at the concert. I was talking about minimal physical media. That is the crux of the minimal expense argument.
-p
I know about InstantLive. I've been waiting for a band I like since the time they only had 4 CDs available. I periodically check back with it, but the statement above is exactly why I didn't mention it. Keep this in mind (not mrwilly, I mean Dhal), InstantLive still suffers from needing burning machines and loads of CDs. Then they have to ship the CDs to people that weren't at the concert. I was talking about minimal physical media. That is the crux of the minimal expense argument.
-p