"Matte" screen: Just the glossy screen w/ out the glass?!

[MagicMouse]

I have a great idea.

How about you save $50 and get it the way they make it...

If you don't like the glossy enough to pay $50 for matte... then just pay for it and shut up about it!

You aren't getting "ripped off" if you choose to pay an extra $50 to change it.

How many companies even offer this sort of choice??! They are being gracious to even special make your laptop for you if you complain about the screen they want to be on them. I don't see a matte option an iPhone or iPod touch, I also don't see it on the iMac... so just consider yourselves lucky they let you decide on the MBP.

 

[drummerlondonw3]

Man, thats BS. They should just design it so that the glass can be easily removed if needed.

although I dont agree with charging for it ...

how would your idea work exactly? I wouldnt want half my screen popping off.

I have matte anyway and would recommend it

 

[reallynotnick]

i have seen them in person, and i just rewatched the 09 keynote that drambuie referred to. he is right; phil schiller explains exactly how the matte option is born.

1.) remove the glass panel

2.) add metal bezel

He misspoke, end of story. They are the same screen (same color gamut, response rate, viewing angle, contrast, ect), they just have a different top layer/finish.
Look at the glassy screens, you can see two reflections up close. One off the GLOSSY screen beneath and a more intense one off the glass.
You can take the glass off the iMac and see that it is a glossy screen beneath it, while it is still more reflective then a matte MBP it is easier on the eyes because of the reduced glare from the lack of glass. With the glass removed the screen finish is similar to the MB and MBA.
The old MBPs had both a glossy and matte choice (before the glass), the screen on the BTO MBP is a matte finish.

You need MORE proof? You can get your MBP modded to have a matte screen by tech restore, they take off the glass, replace the screen with a matte screen and add a new bezel. If all they had to do was take the glass off and put a new bezel on to have a matte screen they would do that.
http://www.techrestore.com/xcart/product.php?productid=18467&cat=273


If you had a matte screen underneath glass you would get the worst of both worlds because you wouldn't have as vibrate colors and you would get reflections.

I don't think there is anyway to make this easier to understand.


BTW, I have a 13in MBP with glassy screen and my father has a 15in matte MBP to boot, so I have had plenty of face time with both to boot.

 

[BittenApple]

i have seen them in person, and i just rewatched the 09 keynote that drambuie referred to. he is right; phil schiller explains exactly how the matte option is born.

1.) remove the glass panel

2.) add metal bezel

have a look for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVneba3BeJY

He meant take the glass off and replace the display with a matte screen. The matte screen would be useless if the glass was still there.

The matte option is matte, if you don't think so go to an Apple Store and view one for yourself.

 

[reallynotnick]

There is no debate here just a few misinformed people. Tech Restore ends the discussion:
"What does the screen replacement include?
In order to replace the super-shiny screen with a traditional matte (anti-glare) screen, we remove the glass screen cover (you know, that mirror-like glass you have been seeing your reflection in), then we remove the glossy LCD (LED backlight) screen. We then replace the glossy screen with a matte-finish screen that has the exact same specifications as the original; same resolution, same color depth, same LED backlight...you get the idea. We install a custom black bezel around the edge of the screen that matches the finish of the MacBook Pro and looks great. The bezel has all the required holes in it for the iSight and other items that sit at the top of the MacBook Pro screen housing."

Now if you make a thread about what you like better you might as well make a thread about what peoples favorite color is because no one agrees as it is just personal preference.

 

[Tyrion]

There is no debate here just a few misinformed people. Tech Restore ends the discussion:
"What does the screen replacement include?
In order to replace the super-shiny screen with a traditional matte (anti-glare) screen, we remove the glass screen cover (you know, that mirror-like glass you have been seeing your reflection in), then we remove the glossy LCD (LED backlight) screen. We then replace the glossy screen with a matte-finish screen that has the exact same specifications as the original; same resolution, same color depth, same LED backlight...you get the idea. We install a custom black bezel around the edge of the screen that matches the finish of the MacBook Pro and looks great. The bezel has all the required holes in it for the iSight and other items that sit at the top of the MacBook Pro screen housing."

Now if you make a thread about what you like better you might as well make a thread about what peoples favorite color is because no one agrees as it is just personal preference.

Thanks, this answers my question. However, in this case Phil Schiller really gave out some misinformation in his keynote. He clearly says at 2:47 in the video that the matte screen in the unibody has the "same properties" as the one in the previous model. Not very precise, I have to say.
But knowing this nothing would stop me from getting a matte MBP now

 

[reallynotnick]

As far as the interchangeable idea, you can't go from glassy to matte for obvious reasons already mentioned but you could go from glassy to glossy which I would like. An interchangeable system would be near impossible because you don't want to worry about glass or the bezel becoming loose, but I'm no engineer. The iMac is pretty neat in that the glass is held on by magnets so to take the glass off you use a suction cup. I have seen pictures of people running the machine without the glass because of the reduced reflections but it doesn't really look good because of the missing bezel, it would be cool if someone made just a bezel to fit on the iMac.

 

[drambuie]

This all brings me to another question. Was there a version of the 17" unibody MPB with a matte screen and black bezel, before the glass screen version was released? The reason I ask is that Best Buy site shows a 17" uMBP with matte screen and black bezel.

 

[kolax]

This all brings me to another question. Was there a version of the 17" unibody MPB with a matte screen and black bezel, before the glass screen version was released? The reason I ask is that Best Buy site shows a 17" uMBP with matte screen and black bezel.

No.. the matte uMBP was released same time as the glassy one.

Best Buy wont' have a photo with the silver bezel.. even Apple has the glassy model on the box of the anti-glare models.

 

[SecretAsianMan]

Does it really matter what process Apple uses to derive a matte display?

It's a simple question. Is matte worth an extra $50 to you?

For me, the answer is yes.

 

[drambuie]

No.. the matte uMBP was released same time as the glassy one.

Best Buy wont' have a photo with the silver bezel.. even Apple has the glassy model on the box of the anti-glare models.

The point I'm trying to make is that Best Buy has pictures of a 17" uMPB with a matte screen and black bezel. It seems that the matte screen uMPBs all have a silver bezel, so Best Buy has pictures of an MPB that doesn't exist, except in after market mods. Or does it?

 

[ouimetnick]

So a glass-removal + silver bezel for extra 50$ whenever I want is possible? That would be awesome.

I doubt apple removes the glass. They probably make a different display assambly with a matte screen and sliver bezel. It seems too dangerous to remove the glass with out damaging the metal, so apple probably has a glossy display assambly and a matte display assambly. It should be free because they don't have to buy the nice glossy clear glass. An aluminum bezel is cheaper than a pane of glass. A display panel with a matte finish may cost more though. I don't see why it should though.

 

[reallynotnick]

This all brings me to another question. Was there a version of the 17" unibody MPB with a matte screen and black bezel, before the glass screen version was released? The reason I ask is that Best Buy site shows a 17" uMBP with matte screen and black bezel.

The photos of the screen are digitally added, they just didn't happen to add the fake gloss to the fake screen. But it is odd on their site how the 17in is different then the 13in and 15in.

 

[phrint]

Buy one of these and you can have the best of both worlds for $20:

http://www.radtech.us/Products/ClearCal-Displays.aspx

Now can we please close every thread about glossy vs matte?

 

[reallynotnick]

Buy one of these and you can have the best of both worlds for $20:

http://www.radtech.us/Products/ClearCal-Displays.aspx

That $20 film is going to be way worse then an actual matte screen even assuming you are able to get it on without any air bubbles or dirt under neither it. If you want matte pay the extra $50, don't expect a film to solve your problem, I know if I could have I would have got a matte screen on my 13in for $50. Even a non glassy, glossy screen would have been nice.

 

[Apple.MBPro]

I will be back to add more info. regarding this matte screen.

 

[Nein01]

The matte option is matte, if you don't think so go to an Apple Store and view one for yourself.

ok I admit I may have been misinformed by Phil Schiller about the properties of the glossy LCD underneath the glass, but I was never confused about the fact that the matte screen is indeed matte.. Where in the world did you get that idea?

 

[FrankieTDouglas]

I have a great idea.

How about you save $50 and get it the way they make it...

If you don't like the glossy enough to pay $50 for matte... then just pay for it and shut up about it!

You aren't getting "ripped off" if you choose to pay an extra $50 to change it.

How many companies even offer this sort of choice??! They are being gracious to even special make your laptop for you if you complain about the screen they want to be on them. I don't see a matte option an iPhone or iPod touch, I also don't see it on the iMac... so just consider yourselves lucky they let you decide on the MBP.

Someone's angry.

Designers, photographers... basically, anyone who cares at all about critical color work needs matte finish. Apple knows this, because the art design community propped Apple up for many, many years before catchy ad campaigns, shiny gadgets, and the magic mouse came into play. So they decide to add a little extra **** you tax for the conventional, standard matte display, for whatever reason.

Who's talking about their iPhone? Do you honestly think someone is using their iPhone for reasons they would need the matte display? Give me a break. Go back to playing with your toys and leave the stockholm syndrome at home.

 

[JosX]

The only downside I see to the matte option is the rigidity of the screen. Obviously the glass covering the whole surface added allot of strength, & when bending gently on the screen, the glass version definitely moves allot less than the matte, but really, when does the screen have to be strong? It's not like you lift it by the screen or put any weight on it.

 

[greygray]

Chill out people. Matte screen = Antiglare, which is good for your eyesight and won't harm your eyes.

 

[kolax]

The point I'm trying to make is that Best Buy has pictures of a 17" uMPB with a matte screen and black bezel. It seems that the matte screen uMPBs all have a silver bezel, so Best Buy has pictures of an MPB that doesn't exist, except in after market mods. Or does it?

They are just using the 17" glassy uMBP picture! There is no matte model with the black bezel that Apple sells..

If you care about it so much, send an email to the customer services saying that the 17" uMBP with anti-glare screen has a silver bezel and get them to update their photo.

 

[JosX]

I noticed while saving system hardware icons as PNGs that there is no icon for the Antiglare uMBP, which may explain why best buy doesn't have a picture of it, allot of sales websites just use the icons, not a real picture.

 

[phrint]

That $20 film is going to be way worse then an actual matte screen even assuming you are able to get it on without any air bubbles or dirt under neither it. If you want matte pay the extra $50, don't expect a film to solve your problem, I know if I could have I would have got a matte screen on my 13in for $50. Even a non glassy, glossy screen would have been nice.

Then why don't you buy one and post some feedback on it. You can assume and project all you want but don't state your opinion like it is a fact. You obviously haven't tried one yet you make an assumption that they won't work. Those films are not tough to apply. It just takes a little patience.

 

[reallynotnick]

Then why don't you buy one and post some feedback on it. You can assume and project all you want but don't state your opinion like it is a fact. You obviously haven't tried one yet you make an assumption that they won't work. Those films are not tough to apply. It just takes a little patience.

Well I have seen reviews on them and they never compare to a true matte screen. The cost difference between the two is negligible ($30) and it's not like you can switch between the two on the fly (now that would be cool). They aren't terrible it's just that you might as well get a matte screen if you want a matte screen. *shrugs*

 

[thehermit]

screen to shiny, fix

My university buys me computers, I have no input, and they are cheap (not the computers, but the university. I just got a new macbook pro with the shiny, shiny screen. Didn't know how many movies I have been in, as that is about all I see. The super cheap fix, that seems to be working quite well: Glad Press and Seal.

clean screen
make sure it is dry
put on an over sized sheet of press and seal
trim with xacto, or mark with marker and take off, and then trim. smooth out. replace after your next sneeze on the screen. Cost: about $4.00 for the whole role of stuff, and you can then return it to the kitchen and use for wrapping food. I find the subtle change in color is okay. if your are a graphic designer or color nut, then remove it, and do again.

if you screw up, which I can't imagine, you've got 70 square feet to get it right.

Personally I think this is the least of the problems. as a lefty all the damned ports on my 'writing' side of the machine are forcing me to buy a hub. stupid. when they were in the back there was an annoying 30 seconds setting up things, but cords were out of the way.