Mavericks Support - EOL When?

Discussion in 'OS X Mavericks (10.9)' started by Tucom, Nov 20, 2014.

  1. Tucom macrumors 65816

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    Right now, Mavericks looks and runs far better than Yosemite on my Late 2009 27 iMac.

    Of what duration of time will Apple support Mavericks where it's totally viable and just fine to run it instead of Yosemite? When will an update to Yosemite be ABSOLUTELY necessary?
     
  2. chrfr macrumors 603

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    Apple never publishes a support timeline like Microsoft does so they could discontinue updates at any time. However, the trend is that the previous 2 versions of OS X receive security updates. So right now, 10.9.5 and 10.8.5 receive security updates but no new feature updates. When 10.11 is released, 10.8.5 will probably fall out of support.
     
  3. Tucom thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Cool, hopefully by the time Mavericks is EOL, Yosemite will be refined to where it's actually useable, fast, and responsive like Mavericks. And by then, hopefully everything will be Retina, which Yosemite really needs to order to be used IMO.


    Anyone else have any input?
     
  4. jdphoto macrumors 6502

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    I agree with chrfr, Apple historically has supported the current OS and the two prior with updates. This has been true for the past couple of years. It's an unwritten rule though, so Apple could change their mind, though I don't think they'd have a reason to.
     
  5. sharon22 macrumors regular

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    My plan is to use Mavericks for 2+ more years. Someone I know recently upgraded to Mavericks from Snow Leopard a month ago, and commented they liked Snow Leopard the best.... the point being that there was really no need to even upgrade Snow Leopard because everything ran perfectly on it. So, if Snow Leopard can last that many years, I can't see delaying Mavericks for 1, 2, or even 5 years to be a problem.

    I'm with the OP! Mavericks SAILS, and Yosemite is slow, choppy, jerky, and an abomination (in my opinion).... BUT.... give it a few months, Yosemite might be astoundingly beautiful and fast by this Spring.
     
  6. Tucom thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Make sure you and that other person knows that Snow Leopard has stopped receiving security updates, so it's definitely time to upgrade to Mavericks if the Mac permits.
     
  7. Eithanius macrumors 65816

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    By the time Mavericks goes EOL, Yosemite would be shoved to the backseat as Apple will undoubtedly be focusing on 10.12 Ferengi...
     
  8. expat42451 macrumors regular

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    Interesting thread-As a non active member of the OSX development community....my next upgrade will probably be to FreeBSD, when I am in a place where I can stop administering this machine as if it were in a production environment. From what I am able to learn and observe, Yosemite exists to present a shiny new GUI and to allow someone to plug an I Phone into their computer- I won't make the transition because I do not use an I Phone. I have been traveling in South America for the last 2 1/2 years and use the laptop for photo processing. Non retina late 2011 MPB.


    I did not like the number of changes in OSX internals between Lion, Mountain and Mavericks that were somewhat hidden, just one one example, firewall differences. I don't have time to play games with marketing gimmicks or lack of transparency in OS internals changes. A number of my friends-professional or power users, feel much the same as I do about the change of direction and intent of Apple philosophy. Many are still using multiple Mac Pro tower configurations for video post production or sound studio applications and are looking outside of Apple for their next hardware upgrades. Apple no longer makes expandable server grade workstations or towers. Rush to market and shiny appeal aren't necessarily concepts that Apple has been based on but seem to be the new direction.

    Expat
     
  9. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    Expect the unexpected

    At the moment I should say 'possibly' (not probably).

    2014-09-29: OS X bash Update 1.0 - OS X Lion & OS X Lion Server

    Good reasons should include security. OS X bash Update 1.0 was released for 10.7.x whilst 10.10 was a release candidate (less than three weeks before the release of 10.10); I'd describe that situation as development for four versions of the operating system.

    If 'vulnerabilities' include malware: Do we need an antivirus on OS X?

    Concerning open source, FreeBSD and the like:

    Given the timing of development of OS X bash Update 1.0, I imagine that Apple might at some time develop (for example) a security update for 10.9.x, 10.10.x, 10.11.x and a pre-release of 10.12. An update for four versions of the system.

    However:

    – there's that possibility of two years, or less, for some things.

    Some recent developments/decisions have seemed unreasonable, so I suggest:
    • expect the unexpected.
    (Step (2) above will probably be PC-BSD.)
     
  10. chrfr macrumors 603

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    No. OS X Yosemite was not released at that point. When 10.10 was released with its related security updates, 10.8.5 and 10.9.5 received matching updates. 10.7.5 did not.
    Even though it's a certainty that 10.11 development is underway, the clock doesn't run out on security updates for 10.8.5 until 10.11 is released.

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    You can say what you wish. The pattern is well established at this point. "Probably" is the appropriate guess.
     
  11. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    Observations on support for Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger and greater

    The end of life (EOL) question

    Without attempting to define EOL in relation to any version of Mac OS X, here are a few observations.

    Two or more of Apple's software update catalogues each serve updates for six versions of the operating system.

    Recent iTunes 11.2.1 for Mac OS X is available for four versions of the OS.

    Recent iTunes 12.0.1 for Mac OS X is available for four versions of the OS.

    Contact Support – Apple Support (United Kingdom)

    Complimentary Support (United Kingdom)

    OS X – Contact Support – Apple Support (United Kingdom)

    Site Map – Apple Support
    • Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard and five other versions are listed.
    Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger
    Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard
    Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard
    OS X Lion
    OS X Mountain Lion
    OS X Mavericks
    OS X Yosemite
    Development for release candidates

    Understood, thanks.

    The version 10.10 of that time was described as "a release candidate" with "development for four versions of the operating system".
     

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  12. Hieveryone macrumors 68030

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    How long will Apple continue to provide security updates for people on 10.9.5?

    Will they eventually force us to use yosemite?
     
  13. Intell macrumors P6

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    Following the trend of the previous versions of Mac OS X, it will receive updates until the end of 2016.
     
  14. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    More …

    You'll never be forced; it'll be your decision whether to continue without Apple-provided security updates.

    Please see above.
     
  15. Intell macrumors P6

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    Nothing much relevant to the previously merged thread. The original question was answered.
     
  16. alex0002 macrumors 6502

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    No, later this year there is likely to be a new version of OS X and then they will try to force persuade you to use that one instead on Yosemite. :)

    Regarding the original question about Mavericks, I will attempt to give my best guess to add to all the others.

    Since every new Mac comes with internet recovery, I expect they would need to support the release installed by internet recovery, until those machines are no longer supported under AppleCare.

    The AppleCare support coverage for the Mac is three years from the date you purchased your hardware (at least in the US and probably most other countries). That means, if there are still new mac retail sales with mavericks installed (and I'm hearing this is still the case), then I expect that there will at least be security updates for mavericks until the beginning of 2018.

    Just remember, "support" doesn't mean new features.

    By the way, I would recommend that everyone should download Yosemite before the next release, so that Yosemite will appear in their App Store purchases. Then they will have the option to download and install it later. Who knows, perhaps Yosemite will be working a lot better by the time they get to 10.10.3 or 10.10.4 and the next release will be worse?
     
  17. jfalberti macrumors newbie

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    I honestly don't understand

    problems people are having with Yosemite. I am running it on a 2006 Mac Pro, and a 2007 Macbook Pro, and it is running just fine. I also run Windows on both machines in Boot Camp partitions, as well as a VM under Yosemite, and it performs just fine. I also use current versions of MS Office, iTunes QuickTime, and a whole slew of other apps. Do the people having issues have enough RAM, and a supported GPU?
     
  18. chrfr macrumors 603

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    No. The first computers that supported internet recovery shipped with 10.6 and later 10.7. Neither of these operating systems still receive any updates, but the hardware is still supported. Hardware support is for 5 years, or longer where required by law. http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1752
    As mentioned before, the pattern is that the current and two previous operating systems are supported with updates. If Apple slows its operating system upgrade pace (and let's hope they do) then maybe it'll be close to 2018, but on the annual schedule, it'll be 2016 when Mavericks receives its last security patches.
     
  19. vista980622 macrumors 6502

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    While that is theoretically true, since Snow Leopard has a relatively small market share now (<19% for Mac, <2% for all computers), in the real world, really wouldn't hackers be bothered to target Snow Leopard users.

    System actually working well with decent stability and performance is sometimes much more important than being "supported" and getting so-called "security updates".
     
  20. chrfr macrumors 603

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    The biggest vulnerabilities currently making the news affect all versions of OS X, so someone looking to exploit them doesn't need to distinguish which version of OS X is on the target.
     
  21. vista980622 macrumors 6502

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    Maybe...

    But Apple releases automated security updates for newer versions of OS X, which basically covers 80% of Mac users. 20% Mac users are left in cold and attackers couldn't even be bothered to do that. Besides, the ntpd and bash bug can be manually patched. And Snow Leopard is not affected by the SSL goto fail bug.

    That being said, I still recommend people apply the latest security updates if applying these updates do not have a huge impact on performance or stability.
     
  22. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    Off-topic: problems with Yosemite

    Off-topic from Mavericks

    http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=171 – please ask in one of the problem areas. Environments and use cases are diverse.
     
  23. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    Updates

    Yep, there's a link to Snow Leopard in the Apple Store (UK) on the first page of this topic.

    Security

    See page one.

    I shouldn't attempt to generalise the risk associated with Snow Leopard as a whole.

    With Apple security updates – Apple Support as a starting point, with the CVE identifier for any vulnerability you can visit http://cve.mitre.org to learn more.
     
  24. Intell macrumors P6

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    Why do you keep randomly quoting posts into threads?
     
  25. grahamperrin macrumors 601

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    Context

    FrtzPeter asked about support and updates, both of which are discussed in this topic. My reply is on topic.

    The quote wasn't random.

    Intell, if you think a post is inappropriate, simply report it; please don't discuss reports in the topic.
     

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