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Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Westside guy, Jul 8, 2008.
I just got an email from Adorama:
No surprise, I guess. But SIGH....
i wonder how long the wait will be.
I'm not sure where the soggy part is, but if you're anywhere near Seattle, Talls and Glazers are both promising July stock and neither have large lists...
Pay attention to this development Canon.
That Nikon failed to adequately judge demand for a new model?
I mean this thread was all about Nikon telling distributors ...
" Oops we goofed, give us a little time to catch up! "
I don't think it will be an issue, they just sold out their initial production run faster than they thought.
In my opinion ADORAMA screwed up taking more orders than they were allocated units. If they are as big a distributor as they say they are, then they have dealt with Nikon and others long enough to know how allocations work out.
To The OP - Call around to local camera dealers - chances are one may have a D700 in stock as the were allocated it, but have no buyers for it. That is how I got my IPHONE, I went to a dealer out in the boonies, he was allocated 6 phones, but none of his customers wanted one. Of course you'll have to cancel with ADORAMA, and not sure how that will go .... did you pay them already ???
That many people are waiting for it? Obviously we didn't take the same opinion from the email quote but I think
Hey thanks, I'll have to check them out.
(I work at UW)
My reason for pointing the finger at Adorama is this ....
I am fairly certain that Adorama knew what their allocation was going to be prior to taking orders. Once they had taken enough orders to eat up that allocation, they should have advised customers placing orders at the time they made an order of the impending wait, not tell them after they placed and order and probably PAID for the camera. Now if they did order and pay, they are stuck waiting for Adorama to get more units, or cancel the order and await a refund.
I guess that's the risk one assumes when trying to be first to get the new model, especially from an online vendor.
I'll call two local vendors tomorrow and see if they have one I can look at, be kinda neat to see it in person - doubt I'll be buying one as I am a Canon user.
Ha, I will just wait until the mania subsides -- until the thing gets into peoples' hands and pictures of dogs and birds litter the net, and said pictures get scrutinized for every last ounce of detail. When the results are in and these buyers find they have no remorse whatsoever, then my pocketbook will finally open.
Your first point is reasonable, but your second is not accurate. Adorama stated - before I'd placed my order - that my credit card wouldn't be charged until the camera shipped. The letter from them that I pasted here (starting this thread) also states this. I can verify that no charge has shown up on my credit card statement.
So I can cancel my order without penalty.
Then you're about 10 feet from the Tall's at U-Village. I'd head over that way and see if you can get on a local list. You will have to pay tax, but you get same day delivery
I'm disappointed because obviously I am excited about getting this new camera - but I pretty much expected this. The demand the D700 is obviously high, and demand for the D3 (which uses the same chip) is still pretty darn high. A few months ago, Thom Hogan said he didn't think Nikon would introduce this camera so soon - simply because he didn't think they had the fab facilities to produce enough copies of the full-frame sensor at whichever plant they're makng it.
But I'll eventually get one, so that's the main thing.
I was down at the local pro shop yesterday picking up a 105 micro VR lens, and the sales guy I work with said the response so far to the D700 has been underwhelming. They only have 3 preorders so far. On the other hand, the D300 is the best selling camera of any brand recently he said. He also said the D300 has pirated D3 sales compared to the ratio of D200/D2X sales.
I had a vendor charge me prior to shipping. I paid for Priority Mail shipping ( 2-3 days ) and it took them 11 days to get the item to me.
What the law involves it a time limit between charging a customer and shipping the product. As it was explained to me they have up to 30 days to deliver the product after the customer has been charged.
I went round and round with the Better Business Bureau in my town and where the vendor was located over the issue.
In my case what the vendor did was, claimed the item was " in stock " when it was not. Then they waited until they had a large enough order to save on their shipping costs with a supplier to order my parts.
Had they told me what was being done, I would have gone elsewhere as I needed that $20 part in 3 days. As it was, I had to go out and spend $250 for a complete new tool, in order to finish a job on time.
I ordered mine from adorama around 5:30pm (eastern) the day it went was announced. I'd been checking all day and I have to believe I ordered it within 3 hours of it being listed... I'm not sure how many people got in front of me but we'll see.
My email was a bit different:
First off, shipping via USPS is notoriously unreliable. If you need something to be somewhere UPS and Fedex will guarantee it.
Also, no vendor that I have ever heard of gets a discount when they ship more packages at a single time. There are discounts for volume, but those are calculated by monthly shipping. As far as I know, no one gets discounted USPS shipping.
OT, but often it will be cheaper to ship a single large package then several smaller packages... this may be what he's talking about.
A. Getting a single shipment can save money- especially from a distributor in a channel where you get shipping by freight carrier. For retail, most, but not all shipments come from a distributor so that economies of scale kick in for things like shipping. I don't think Nikon ships through distributors, but it's not an unheard of mechanism.
B. I'm pretty sure that USPS's "Smartpost" does discounts, but I don't recall for sure and it's been a couple of years since I had to look and it's sort of a hybrid USPS/FedEx service. USPS also discounts for volume for most, if not all of its business services.
ah I see. I had misread the statement and thought he was talking about the vendor's shipment to him, not the distributor's shipment to the vendor.
Either way you cut it, USPS is balls
Back on topic, I wouldn't worry about adorama, I have always been very satisfied, and I think that the fact that they had a representative make a post on this forum speaks volumes about their customer service.
I'm not concerned about Adorama at all, whether I get a camera right off the bat or end up in line. Whenever a camera like this comes out there's a lot of demand - so people will be disappointed. A lot of times the problem is more with people's unrealistic expectations.
My order history with them lists 10 separate orders over the last two years. I can't say I've had any significant problems with them. The one time an incorrect item was shipped, Adorama corrected it after one phone call.
They're not the only place I buy from, but they're on the short list.
I recieved another email from Adorama today:
I continue to wait.
I've received that letter as well - it's probably automated.
Use the time it would take for your D700 to get delivered to save for the money to buy a D3 instead.
Thing is, I don't want a D3. They are too big and heavy for my tastes. It's most certainly a better camera; but the improvements over the D700 aren't important to me (especially given the size/weight tradeoff).
Well, not such a long wait after all! I just received an email telling me my D700 has shipped...
This should be fun!