MBP 15'' late 2016 & liquid metal thermal paste tests

[SesameWasher]

No doubt on the 8th Gen. GPU'S Apple's pretty much out the game for those with higher needs. Many do appreciate the "balance" of portability & performance, equally for many the new MBP is overly compromised. Personally I would far prefer a more usable, capable notebook as being needlessly thinner has only resulted in ceasing to use the Mac professionally not needing or wanting the compromises the new design brings.

Q-6

Well they usually optimized their software (like Final Cut) to fit on MacBook Pro's graphic processors, ever since 2006. The solution turns out works fine. Although GPUs back then were not really generates much of the heat.

good things are the CPU, Storage and RAM were always arguably one of the best you can get from a laptop. Speakers are great too.

 

[Queen6]

Well they usually optimized their software (like Final Cut) to fit on MacBook Pro's graphic processors, ever since 2006. The solution turns out works fine. Although GPUs back then were not really generates much of the heat.

good things are the CPU, Storage and RAM were always arguably one of the best you can get from a laptop. Speakers are great too.

True, however the notebooks are not utilised in such a role. Similar to myself many of my colleagues have dropped Apple's MBP as the weapon of choice due to recent design changes and lack of progression in some areas. Apple's catering for a different audience now, with those that rely on their hardware for a living being far less tolerant.

On the positive is the launch of the new iMac Pro (although lacking scalability) and the upcoming Mac Pro, one can only hope that Apple will also address the shortcomings in their portable line and deliver a notebook focused on performance not solely a thinner chassis, equally I feel highly unlikely as the iMP & MP may just be tools to placate the tech press who have rightfully been very critical of late regarding Apple's professional line up, and actions.

Apple desperately wants the endorsement of the professional community, the "Halo effect" equally Apple must also deliver the right level of hardware and why we observe only a small percentage of on the platform. Similar to the iMP & MP a significantly more powerful MBP will not sell to the masses, it would however be welcomed by many professionals...

Q-6

 

[SesameWasher]

True, however the notebooks are not utilised in such a role. Similar to myself many of my colleagues have dropped Apple's MBP as the weapon of choice due to recent design changes and lack of progression in some areas. Apple's catering for a different audience now, with those that rely on their hardware for a living being far less tolerant.

On the positive is the launch of the new iMac Pro (although lacking scalability) and the upcoming Mac Pro, one can only hope that Apple will also address the shortcomings in their portable line and deliver a notebook focused on performance not solely a thinner chassis, equally I feel highly unlikely as the iMP & MP may just be tools to placate the tech press who have rightfully been very critical of late regarding Apple's professional line up, and actions.

Apple desperately wants the endorsement of the professional community, the "Halo effect" equally Apple must also deliver the right level of hardware and why we observe only a small percentage of on the platform. Similar to the iMP & MP a significantly more powerful MBP will not sell to the masses, it would however be welcomed by many professionals...

Q-6

And those "professionals" are? Were they happy with the MacBook Pro before 2016?

 

[Queen6]

And those "professionals" are? Were they happy with the MacBook Pro before 2016?

No as earlier models also brought issue, equally they were more usable and less compromised for the sake of the aesthetic. All portables are compromised by nature, although the balance has now tipped to far for some.

Engineer's, mostly in the energy industry, designers in various disciplines. Apple has decided to maintain the status quo for the sake of form over function in order to please the masses, with the desktop OS becoming less robust...

Q-6

 

[SesameWasher]

No as earlier models also brought issue, equally they were more usable and less compromised for the sake of the aesthetic. All portables are compromised by nature, although the balance has now tipped to far for some.

Engineer's, mostly in the energy industry, designers in various disciplines. Apple has decided to maintain the status quo for the sake of form over function in order to please the masses, with the desktop OS becoming less robust...

Q-6

Well, if you're admitting laptops "aren't satisfied" before, what's the point asking to "satisfied" for today.

You do understand that all laptops have to be "compromised" in order to fit, so they will never "as useful" as their desktop counterparts, might as well not care about them at all.

Especially with a laptop series that almost never use anything beyond mid-tier graphics (nor lower).

 

[Queen6]

Well, if you're admitting laptops "aren't satisfied" before, what's the point asking to "satisfied" for today.

You do understand that all laptops have to be "compromised" in order to fit, so they will never "as useful" as their desktop counterparts, might as well not care about them at all.

Especially with a laptop series that almost never use anything beyond mid-tier graphics (nor lower).

Exactly, equally being thinner as the primary design factor is not ideal path for optimised usability & performance, against higher computational demands. Apple made a conscious decision to disregard it's professional community to please the masses as opposed to a more balanced approach.

Ultimately Apple is reaping what it sowed with many aspects of the professional community. Many now not trusting Apple not to ignore product lines for year upon year at it's whim, or be capable of bringing adequate hardware & software to market. Ultimately it's in Apple's hands now to restore confidence as a serious provider of professional level hardware/software, not just the iGadget company regardless of it's wealth.

Notebooks are by definition portable, with many requiring both portability & performance, with the iMac Pro in the carry on being a tad problematic...

Q-6

 

[SesameWasher]

Exactly, equally being thinner as the primary design factor is not ideal path for optimised usability & performance, against higher computational demands. Apple made a conscious decision to disregard it's professional community to please the masses as opposed to a more balanced approach.

Ultimately Apple is reaping what it sowed with many aspects of the professional community. Many now not trusting Apple not to ignore product lines for year upon year at it's whim, or be capable of bringing adequate hardware & software to market. Ultimately it's in Apple's hands now to restore confidence as a serious provider of professional level hardware/software, not just the iGadget company regardless of it's wealth.

Notebooks are by definition portable, with many requiring both portability & performance, with the iMac Pro in the carry on being a tad problematic...

Q-6

Okay, I'm sure there are some misunderstanding between our threads. That being said, it's not an interesting one to have an argue too. How about waiting for op to respond?

 

[codrutp]

I am thinking to do the same and change the thermal paste that I already changed with Conductonaut, but I've come across this video:

So the question is if this is safe?

 

[SesameWasher]

I am thinking to do the same and change the thermal paste that I already changed with Conductonaut, but I've come across this video:

So the question is if this is safe?

As long as you don't let the liquid metal thing touch the aluminum chassis. Make sure don't make any mess after you're done either.

I think the safest way to do is remove the logic board outside the case, then tried to remove slowly using a Q-tip. Put some tape for cover if you still concerned.

Many custom desktop cases were made from aluminum. You just have to pay attention.

 

[Flyview]

As long as you don't let the liquid metal thing touch the aluminum chassis. Make sure don't make any mess after you're done either.

I think the safest way to do is remove the logic board outside the case, then tried to remove slowly using a Q-tip. Put some tape for cover if you still concerned.

Many custom desktop cases were made from aluminum. You just have to pay attention.

But at the end of the video he says it corroded his heatsink almost immediately and he had to order a new one. I'm also worried about doing this on a late 2013 15" MBP. Are we sure the heatsink is copper?

 

[ionantonak]

But at the end of the video he says it corroded his heatsink almost immediately and he had to order a new one. I'm also worried about doing this on a late 2013 15" MBP. Are we sure the heatsink is copper?

It is copper, or it is a metal alloy with high copper content. In any case, liquid metal will eat through copper but at a very slow rate, so you should be alright for the lifetime of the laptop.

Do not expect any crazy difference in temps given that most MacBooks are mainly heatsink limited. If you decide to do it be careful

 

[SesameWasher]

It is copper, or it is a metal alloy with high copper content. In any case, liquid metal will eat through copper but at a very slow rate, so you should be alright for the lifetime of the laptop.

Do not expect any crazy difference in temps given that most MacBooks are mainly heatsink limited. If you decide to do it be careful

Have you measured your voltage and amps?
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But at the end of the video he says it corroded his heatsink almost immediately and he had to order a new one. I'm also worried about doing this on a late 2013 15" MBP. Are we sure the heatsink is copper?

Yes it’s copper.

 

[ionantonak]

Have you measured your voltage and amps?
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Yes it’s copper.

Voltage across what exactly? And amps through what?

 

[SesameWasher]

Voltage across what exactly? And amps through what?

your CPU

 

[ionantonak]

your CPU

No I did not. But what is the point? To see if it is drawing less power? Even if it did, at the end of the day my POV was temps and fan speed/noise

 

[SesameWasher]

No I did not. But what is the point? To see if it is drawing less power? Even if it did, at the end of the day my POV was temps and fan speed/noise

Yeah my bad, shouldn’t ask you for this.

 

[Conza]

Well it looks like these modifications would be a great solution for someone with a nTB model considering we now know that it has 'the potential' for thermal issues if not used in the ideal way.

I think honestly that nTB model should be dropped and they max the economies of scale from producing more of the TB model, maybe they make a new nTB model that has the only difference of literally, the TB, and maybe having the processors stay less powerful (15W vs 28W).

the 15W processor with the 28W cooler, that would be something 'cool'.

 

[dryja123]

My only suggestion would be replacing the electrical tape with kapton tape. It holds stronger, it's thinner, and it's a lot more heat resistant. Electrical tape tends to get gummy over time and falls off what ever its stuck to.

 

[ressac]

I'm about to replace thermal paste on my mbp 15" 2016, but unfortunately I didn't find any guides, I was expecting to found something on ifixit but all they have published it's teardow, so I would be appreciated if someone can leave a link.