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zshane1125

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I noticed that the keyword backlight no longer changes with true tone. It's always the same color, very cool in tone, while the touchbar light is always warm in tone.

Anybody else bothered by this?
 
True Tone has never affected the keyboard backlight. It only affects the display and touchbar.
 
I noticed that the keyword backlight no longer changes with true tone. It's always the same color, very cool in tone, while the touchbar light is always warm in tone.
To my knowledge, apple only used one color of LEDs for their keyboard backlighting. I don't think it was possible for them to alter the color temperature of the LEDs and they were unaffected by true tone
 
The keyboard backlight on older 2012/2013 MBPs has turned a very slight yellow tint over the years, probably from dirt or other accumulation, but never could alter the color in stock builds.

Someone did gel their LED(s) and there were aftermarket RGB style replacement units being sold at one time, no clue if they ever were actually delivered to customers or vapor ware.
 
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I have the 2018 15" MBP, and the backlight matches the touchbar. All I am saying is the backlight on the 2019 16" MBP is very cool toned, does not match the touchbar anymore.
 
I have the 2018 15" MBP, and the backlight matches the touchbar. All I am saying is the backlight on the 2019 16" MBP is very cool toned, does not match the touchbar anymore.
Mine is the same, the keyboard backlight is not even close to the white point of the Touch Bar. It's bluish/purplish to be honest, doesn't look white at all. Anyone else seeing this?
 
There are a few things to consider here. First and foremost, Apple includes the Touch Bar as part of the True Tone settings, so if it's enabled, your Touch Bar will become warmer along with your screen (why Apple does this is beyond me, the Touch Bar should be inline with the keyboard backlighting, not the display). So, when your Touch Bar backlight becomes a bit warmer in tone, your keyboard will appear to be bluer by contrast. It's really not, it's just an illusion as it contrasts to the overly warm Touch Bar. When True Tone is turned off, you should see the same backlight temperature (or very close) to the keyboard backlight. Both should look like an even toned white.

Another thing to consider is the default display color profile on Apple's MacBooks out of the box. They always skew really green to my eyes (despite the claimed 'perfect factory calibration', which I've never experienced). I always take down green tones and up blue/reds to make a more desirable profile to my eyes, as I am very sensitive to green. So, if you leave the default color profile as is, your eyes will adapt, but it will make the keyboard backlight look bluer than it really is due to the contrast against the display, which skews green.

Since I always calibrate my displays to show less green, and more red/blue/magenta, the keyboard backlight looks like a normal white light in brighter room settings, but gives the illusion of looking a bit dull in a dark room due to the contrast of my vibrant and blue/red skewing display. So, it's all a matter of what you're used to and what the lighting temperatures of the display, touch bar, and keyboard backlight look in contrast to each other.

Personally, I've always found that the backlight on pretty much all the butterfly keyboards looked a bit too dim and slightly yellow skewing compared to the older 2015 and previous backlights. With variations between units, of course. Whereas the keyboard backlight on the 16" MacBook Pro is way brighter, whiter and more vibrant than the butterfly keyboards (and this comparison is impossible to capture through pictures and videos). And the entire key is lit, so there is no dulling of any characters on the shift, command, and option keys, and so on. Unfortunately, the keyboard backlight does bleed out from underneath the keys on the new scissor switch keyboards, not as clean as the butterfly keyboards due to the extra key travel. But, it's no where as bad as the 2015 and previous backlight keyboard bleed.
 
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Yes, I was trying to figure out why the Touch Bar on my new MBP16 looked so dim and yellowed. I didn't remember that from my 2017. I finally got another 15" and put it side by side with the 16" and sure enough, the color temperature of the new 16" keyboard LEDs is much different--much cooler and much brighter. While Phil prattled on about engineering a new solution for this model in one of his interviews, most of this new keyboard is obviously lifted from the older (pre-2016) keyboards. It's exacerbated by the light leakage around the keys. My compromise is to dim the keyboard and try to ignore it. I can't imagine they'll let this fly for long.
 
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