MBP 2015 or MBP 2016 nTB 15"

Macbook Pro 15" 2015 or 2016 nTB?

  • 2015 Macbook Pro 15" i7 2.2Ghz

    Votes: 4 66.7%
  • 2016 Macbook Pro 15" i7 2.2Ghz No touchbar

    Votes: 2 33.3%

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Conradiminja

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Hey all!

I'm currently in the process of preparing to move abroad for studies. The subject i'm going to study is business and finance. So no heavy programs such as CAD or modelling software will be used.

What i will be using the computer for is: Xcode programming (Hobby), webdesign, watching movies, browsing, some light gaming (Rarely, Only LoL and warthunder) and photo & video editing. When i start studying in two months i will ofcourse use it for that.

So far i've decided for the 15" model since the extra screen estate is gold for me. But when it comes to choosing models i'm having some REAL difficulty.

The two models i'm deciding between is:

2015 Macbook Pro 15"
I7 4770HQ 2.2Ghz, 16GB ram and 256GB storage
Price: 2115$ USD

2016 Macbook Pro 15" no touchbar
I7 Quad Core 2.2Ghz, 16GB Ram and 256GB storage
Price: 2200$ USD

I don't know the model of the 2016 processor since the apple store only says "2.2 GHz Quad core i7", Does anyone know the exact model?

What i value the most is battery life, build quality. I have used a relatives MBP 2016 15" with touchbar that was maxed out and i found the TB to me nothing that interested me so i don't see why i should pay a premium for something i wouldn't use.

The price difference is minimal so thats nothing to consider for me, but i'm going away for atleast 5 years and want something to last. I've read about some build quality problems with the 2016, such as keyboard giving up within a month of normal usage, logic boards getting fried from nothing. But the sample size of those problems is to small to see if its something major.

But at the same time i've heard that the MBP nTB has outstanding battery life often lasting up to 10-12 hours of light /medium work.

So which of these two models would fit my needs best?
 

tryrtryrtryrt

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2016 Macbook Pro 15" no touchbar
All MBP'16 15" have TouchBar. Only lowest 13" is available without it but it has also 15W CPU like the one in MBA. 13" with TouchBar has 28W like the '15 13". Quoting myself
MBA has 15Watt CPU.
MBP'15 and earlier model lines consisted of 13" having 28W CPU and 15" having 45W CPU.
MBP'16 model line got a little more complex: 13" without TouchBar has 15W CPU (like MBA but new generation), 13" with TB has 28W CPU, 15" has 45W CPU.
[doublepost=1492877035][/doublepost]That said I encourage you to tell exact configurations you're considering and full price they'd cost for you locally.
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But at the same time i've heard that the MBP nTB has outstanding battery life often lasting up to 10-12 hours of light /medium work.
********, 15" '16 is on par with '15 at most, frequently slightly lower than '15.
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I don't know the model of the 2016 processor since the apple store only says "2.2 GHz Quad core i7", Does anyone know the exact model?
13" non-TB http://ark.intel.com/compare/91156,91169
13" TB http://ark.intel.com/compare/91166,91164,91167
15" TB http://ark.intel.com/compare/88967,88970,88972
Also there is no 2.2 GHz in '16 line-up. You've clearly mixed this one with '15.
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2015 Macbook Pro 15"
I7 4770HQ 2.2Ghz, 16GB ram and 256GB storage
Price: 2115$ USD

2016 Macbook Pro 15" no touchbar
I7 Quad Core 2.2Ghz, 16GB Ram and 256GB storage
Price: 2200$ USD
Please provide exact configuration. Either you're being ripped off on '15, or been given a huge discount for '16, or one of them is refurbished, or you've mixed something up.

Also there is no 2.2 GHz in '16 line-up. You've clearly mixed this one with '15.
 
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Sanpete

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As @tryrtryrtryrt points out, you've mixed something up. You seem to be thinking a 13" 2016 is a 15". The cheapest 2016 15" is $2400 new, less refurbed, which is as good as new with the same warranty.

https://www.apple.com/shop/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_pro/15

The 2016 is better in numerous ways, and controversial in several ways, but only you would know how much they matter to you.

The new MBP 15" is clearly better than the 2015 model you're looking at in:

-- Screen
-- has a dGPU
-- SSD speed
-- External monitor support
-- Heat
-- Quietude
-- Speakers
-- Touch ID
-- Size/weight

It's also mostly better in regard to:

-- Battery life for light to moderate use (probably--the 2015 model you're looking at wasn't tested)

Mixed:

-- Touch bar (some love it, some hate it)
-- Ports (the new machine has by far the more powerful and flexible ports, but the 2015 has by far the more convenient ones for most people not yet living in the future)
-- Keyboard and trackpad (the new ones get mixed reviews compared to the old)

The one area in which the 2015 model has a clear, unmixed advantage is:

-- Replaceable/upgradable SSD (and if the motherboard fails, you won't need Apple's help to recover your data)
 

tryrtryrtryrt

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I'd move screen, SSD, external monitor support, speakers, touch ID to "Neutral" or "Check yourself" category rather than "better than 2015" as some people barely notice the difference and others do. So preferably check yourself.

I'd move "has a dGPU" to "Mixed" category rather than "better than 2015" due to battery life implications. Providing Iris Pro with and without dGPU like they did before '16 would've been more appreciated. But we have what we have - you cannot buy 15" '16 without dGPU sadly.

Battery life should also go to "Neutral" category. It's on par or slightly worse than '15 but this is achieved by more aggressive standby leading to lags sometimes.

Overall good summary.
As @tryrtryrtryrt points out, you've mixed something up. You seem to be thinking a 13" 2016 is a 15". The cheapest 2016 15" is $2400 new, less refurbed, which is as good as new with the same warranty.

https://www.apple.com/shop/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_pro/15

The 2016 is better in numerous ways, and controversial in several ways, but only you would know how much they matter to you.

The new MBP 15" is clearly better than the 2015 model you're looking at in:

-- Screen
-- has a dGPU
-- SSD speed
-- External monitor support
-- Heat
-- Quietude
-- Speakers
-- Touch ID
-- Size/weight

It's also mostly better in regard to:

-- Battery life for light to moderate use (probably--the 2015 model you're looking at wasn't tested)

Mixed:

-- Touch bar (some love it, some hate it)
-- Ports (the new machine has by far the more powerful and flexible ports, but the 2015 has by far the more convenient ones for most people not yet living in the future)
-- Keyboard and trackpad (the new ones get mixed reviews compared to the old)

The one area in which the 2015 model has a clear, unmixed advantage is:

-- Replaceable/upgradable SSD (and if the motherboard fails, you won't need Apple's help to recover your data)
 

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Just got a 15 with touch bar the "base" model, cannot be happier, got 2 USB adapter that I live attached to the computer and really see no issue (some people make it seems like it is a dongle galore).

10 buck got me 5 of these (with a bulk discount), the machine is lovely.

The keyboard is a little noisy , the touch bar is kinda useful (all the app I use make use of it. Affinity Designer / Photo 1Password for the Touch ID and of course all Apple's apps..Final cut and logic included), the battery is good (not great but good enough) and it is a joy, the sound...oh boy cannot describe how good it sounds!!

All in all it was a great purchase, and on Amazon it was 450 euros less than on Apple, could not say no!

Go for a. 2016 15 inches without doubts!
 

Sanpete

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I'd move screen, SSD, external monitor support, speakers, touch ID to "Neutral" or "Check yourself" category rather than "better than 2015" as some people barely notice the difference and others do. So preferably check yourself.
The 2016 screen has 50% more brightness and contrast. People with normal vision can easily appreciate the difference. The SSD is objectively faster; there's no downside to that. The speakers are objectively louder with greater dynamic range and fuller sound. Touch ID has no significant downside either and is clearly useful.

I'd move "has a dGPU" to "Mixed" category rather than "better than 2015" due to battery life implications. Providing Iris Pro with and without dGPU like they did before '16 would've been more appreciated. But we have what we have - you cannot buy 15" '16 without dGPU sadly.

Battery life should also go to "Neutral" category. It's on par or slightly worse than '15 but this is achieved by more aggressive standby leading to lags sometimes.
Objective tests show the 2016 15" gets clearly better battery life than the 2015 with dGPU for light to moderate use. The same tests weren't done for the 2015 without dGPU, but since the dGPU isn't normally involved in browsing with Safari or watching HD video, the results would likely be similar. If the dGPU is needed, that will lessen battery life, but then it will also out-perform the 2015, by a lot.
 
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The 2016 screen has 50% more brightness and contrast. People with normal vision can easily appreciate the difference. The SSD is objectively faster; there's no downside to that. The speakers are objectively louder with greater dynamic range and fuller sound. Touch ID has no significant downside either and is clearly useful.
It has been explained in nearby thread that this 50% more brightness can mostly be only experienced if you go under direct sunlight. In the regular situation - like at home in a room with regular light it's barely noticeable to some and noticeable to others. That is why I recommended moving this point to "Neutral" or "Check yourself". Everyone's needs are different. Notice, I haven't said to move it to "Minuses".

SSD indeed is objectively faster but this can barely be noticed in practice. Yes, there is no downside to this - I said the same - "Neutral" or "Check yourself", not "Minuses". But is the negligible difference worth paying premium? This is for everyone to decide themselves hence "Check yourself".

The speakers difference is barely noticeable to some and noticeable to others. See the same reasoning as for SSD.

TouchID is a clear addition, you're right. But again - not everyone needs it, hence "Neutral" or "Check yourself". See reasoning for SSD.
Objective tests show the 2016 15" gets clearly better battery life than the 2015 with dGPU for light to moderate use. The same tests weren't done for the 2015 without dGPU, but since the dGPU isn't normally involved in browsing with Safari or watching HD video, the results would likely be similar. If the dGPU is needed, that will lessen battery life, but then it will also out-perform the 2015, by a lot.
Please provide the source at last. You're repeating this for like 12th time - but you haven't provided the source even once.
 

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It has been explained in nearby thread that this 50% more brightness can mostly be only experienced if you go under direct sunlight. In the regular situation - like at home in a room with regular light it's barely noticeable to some and noticeable to others. That is why I recommended moving this point to "Neutral" or "Check yourself". Everyone's needs are different. Notice, I haven't said to move it to "Minuses".
If you mean the extra brightness is only noticeable when you actually need it, that may be true. And? You completely skip over the higher contrast, which is plain in any lighting.

SSD indeed is objectively faster but this can barely be noticed in practice. Yes, there is no downside to this - I said the same - "Neutral" or "Check yourself", not "Minuses". But is the negligible difference worth paying premium? This is for everyone to decide themselves hence "Check yourself".
I said nothing about whether it's worth paying extra for. My clear point remains that it's objectively faster, which is indeed better. Again, how much that advantage matters to someone may vary.

The speakers difference is barely noticeable to some and noticeable to others.
Everyone I've seen comment on the difference who has actually compared them side by side says it's a clear improvement.

TouchID is a clear addition, you're right. But again - not everyone needs it, hence "Neutral" or "Check yourself".
I've yet to come across anyone who didn't find Touch ID to be a good feature.
 

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If you mean the extra brightness is only noticeable when you actually need it, that may be true. And?
And thus this difference might be not worth paying for for some. Duh!
You completely skip over the higher contrast, which is plain in any lighting.
Some haven't noticed this thus "check yourself" recommendation.
I said nothing about whether it's worth paying extra for. My clear point remains that it's objectively faster, which is indeed better. Again, how much that advantage matters to someone may vary.
And I haven't said you're wrong, I've only said I'd rather put in a "check yourself" category due to negligible practical difference. Why are you taking every point like your life is threatened by it instead of reading literally what is written?
Everyone I've seen comment on the difference who has actually compared them side by side says it's a clear improvement.
Well, your quantifier "everyone" is false apriori because, at the very least, here I am, I've had both '15 and '16 and compared them side by side. And I'm not alone, there are similar claims.
However this does not say speakers are worse. This only says "check yourself" as initially recommended.
I've yet to come across anyone who didn't find Touch ID to be a good feature.
I haven't said it's bad. I said it might not be used.
And your perception is not the only perception clearly. See about "everyone" above.
 

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As others have pointed out, there is no non-touchbar 15" 2016 MBP. The model you are speaking about is identical to the entry-level 2015 model.
 

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And thus this difference might be not worth paying for for some. Duh!Some haven't noticed this thus "check yourself" recommendation.And I haven't said you're wrong, I've only said I'd rather put in a "check yourself" category due to negligible practical difference. Why are you taking every point like your life is threatened by it instead of reading literally what is written? Well, your quantifier "everyone" is false apriori because, at the very least, here I am, I've had both '15 and '16 and compared them side by side. And I'm not alone, there are similar claims.
However this does not say speakers are worse. This only says "check yourself" as initially recommended. I haven't said it's bad. I said it might not be used.
And your perception is not the only perception clearly. See about "everyone" above.
This is silly. Every objective increase in performance should go in the neutral category by your standard, since not everyone will need it. Again, that's not what the categories are about.

You are the only person I've come across who failed to hear the very plain difference between the speakers. A 50% increase in screen contrast is also very easy to see, given appropriate content.
 

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This is silly. Every objective increase in performance should go in the neutral category by your standard, since not everyone will need it.
Not at all. TB3, heat, quietness, size/weight should go to pluses.
Only if the difference is negligible it should go to "neutral" or if it is controversial (some see it, some don't, some think it's good, some think it's bad) - to "check yourself".
Again, that's not what the categories are about.
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You are the only person I've come across who failed to hear the very plain difference between the speakers. A 50% increase in screen contrast is also very easy to see, given appropriate content.
You have small circle of acquaintance then - I've come across a lot of such people.
 

LoopsOfFury

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The new MBP 15" is clearly better than the 2015 model you're looking at in:

-- Screen
-- has a dGPU
-- SSD speed
-- External monitor support
-- Heat
-- Quietude
-- Speakers
-- Touch ID
-- Size/weight

It's also mostly better in regard to:

-- Battery life for light to moderate use (probably--the 2015 model you're looking at wasn't tested)

Mixed:

-- Touch bar (some love it, some hate it)
-- Ports (the new machine has by far the more powerful and flexible ports, but the 2015 has by far the more convenient ones for most people not yet living in the future)
-- Keyboard and trackpad (the new ones get mixed reviews compared to the old)

The one area in which the 2015 model has a clear, unmixed advantage is:

-- Replaceable/upgradable SSD (and if the motherboard fails, you won't need Apple's help to recover your data)
As someone with both a 2015 and 2016 15" MBP, I pretty much agree with the above assessment. I have the top end GPU for both models, and the main differences I see are:

- Screen is better on the 2016
- Keyboard feels better on the 2016
- Battery life seems better on the 2016
- The 2016 is noticeably lighter / easier to handle
- Top-end gaming is viable on the 2016; not really on the 2015
- 2016 is WAY quieter
- Speakers are WAAAAY better on the 2016

- Wake from sleep is flaky with an external monitor for the 2016; haven't tried it with the 2015
- Trackpad is too big on the 2016 (palm rejection fails every once in a while)
- Touchbar / TouchID adds cost for something that just gets in the way more often than not
- Using adapters for 3 of the 4 ports on my 2016 is annoying
 
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Not at all. TB3, heat, quietness, size/weight should go to pluses.
Only if the difference is negligible it should go to "neutral" or if it is controversial (some see it, some don't, some think it's good, some think it's bad) - to "check yourself".
Again, the difference will be negligible to anyone who doesn't need it. That applies every bit as much to TB3, heat, quietness, and size/weight as the other clear improvements.

You have small circle of acquaintance then - I've come across a lot of such people.
Not at all small. I've read easily a hundred comments about this.