okay... thanks for even looking at this thread, i know these aren't the most interesting reads. i've just gotten an replacement for my old 17" MBP CD, and returned it, because i no longer see the need for the 17" more than 15" (since 15" has FW800 and double layer SD). but that also means i am in need of computer(s)... i'm thinking about i'll get a MBP 15" as well as a mac pro, most likely stock config, probably with ATI X1900 and 2.66GHz as 3.0 doesn't make sense economically for me. im also thinking perhaps to get refurb unit as oppose to new one. since the MBP 15" is completely stock config, i might just get that refurbished(how much is refurb 15" anyway?). but the MP i want X1900, it doesn't make sense for me to get that refurbished anymore, right? i mean, i can hope i get free upgrades, but if i don't, i then won't save much money going that route since i have to then buy x1900 upgrade kit. another concern of mine is 15" MBP is experiencing grainy display problems, have anyone bought 15" MBP glossy and had no problem with the display? had anyone bought a MBP made after week 49? would refurb unit correct that problem since apple supposed to test and make sure its completely good before package it refurbished? (okay, i know no body ever knows and stuff) how likely, if at all, are MBP and or MP getting updated anytime soon? given even keynote didn't mention them? how are refurbished macs in general? i know they are getting new accessories, but what about the unit itself... i'm sure the component are gonna be just fine, but say if the unit originally have bad cosmetic condition, is refurbishing gonna ignore that? aka are there chances that the units i will get will have bad cosmetic condition and apple will say 'too bad for you!'? sorry about the long post, and i really thank those of you who took the time and read it. i hope to get some insight from you.