MBP Mouse: Razer Orochi vs Logitech Performance Mouse MX

Discussion in 'Mac Accessories' started by kha0s, May 15, 2010.

  1. kha0s macrumors member


    Nov 23, 2009
    It has been a week since I started to research a new gaming mouse for my MBP. After going through more reviews than I can remember, I boiled it up to the following 2: Razer Orochi and Logitech Performance Mouse MX.
    Orochi keeps my precious USB ports free (Bluetooth) has a coolest design and better DPI, although the "sleep in 2sec + jerking" issue seems to be really annoying when gaming. The Performance Mouse MX has zero lag/jerking issues, great ergonomics and works on glass! The downside is the USB port sacrifice required by the 2.4GHZ receptor.
    Before throwing the coin on this, I would like to know if anyone has MBP hands-on experience with these fellows. If so, your input would be greatly appreciated.

  2. vacuumtube macrumors newbie

    Feb 13, 2010
    I have the Orochi, just bought, as well as the Logitech Anywhere MX and the older MX1000. The 2 second sleep for the Orochi is really annoying. I didn't think I would be bothered by it, but I am. So much so, I will probably return it. I also have the Razer Mamba, which does not have the 2 sec sleep problem and is a great mouse, but it's USB antenna is cumbersome for portable use. I would vote against the Orochi until the sleep issue is fixed. Go with the MX if you want a tiny USB receiver. If you don't mind a large, corded receiver/charging station, the Mamba is phenomenal.
  3. kha0s thread starter macrumors member


    Nov 23, 2009
    Yeah, I also considered the Mamba but discarded it due to the portability issue. Maybe I'll get one for my iMac. Regarding the MBP, I'll sleep on it for a couple of days before taking the plunge. Thanks for the input.
  4. Abyssgh0st macrumors 68000


    Jan 12, 2009
    I've got both the Orochi and the Mamba. I love both, and the Orochi replaced my Magic Mouse. I really don't notice the sleeping issue, although I do notice the occasional jerking.
  5. kha0s thread starter macrumors member


    Nov 23, 2009
    I've swayed towards Razer Orochi. After 2 weeks of daily use (MacBook Pro with LEOPARD and "Boot Camp" WINXP), I have yet to find a flaw on this mouse. It delivered on all it's promises. Here's a breakdown of my thoughts on it:

    The sleek online pictures at Razer site don't make justice to this mouse. It looks much better in real-life! Couple it with the Razer Kabuto Mouse Mat and your desk will never look the same. The battery top lid is magnetically attached and the USB "Wired Mode" cable is long enough to comfortably circle around my MBP. In terms of ergonomics, Orochi feels great on my big hands. I've found it very comfortable to use with both "fingertip" and "palm" grips.

    Let me preface this by saying that "out of the box", with ZERO drivers installed, all 7 buttons worked flawlessly with WINXP. Under LEOPARD, only the "forward and backward" left side buttons didn't work. It's worth underlining that the "Sensitivity Stage" right side buttons worked on both OSs. This means that you can cycle through the 5 preset "Sensitivity Stages" without having to install a single driver! That said, in order to tap into Orochi's full potential, it's imperative to install the latest firmware and drivers. Start by getting the latest v1.06 firmware updater (22/02/2010) from Razer's site (notice you'll need to run this under Windows). Next download and install the latest PC (v1.02, 22/10/2009) and MAC (v2.00, 03/05/2010) drivers. Besides custom macro creation, these drivers also enable full customization of every single button on the Orochi. Starting at v2.00, the MAC driver acquired the same "full features support" one finds in it's PC counterpart. Nonetheless, for reasons I'll explain below, you should avoid using the "Razer Orochi" MAC "Preference Pane".

    Orochi's factory "buttons layout scheme" fitted my needs like a glove. I found no need to tinker with it, although the "Scroll Wheel button" could probably be put to better use. It's "Universal Scrolling" default assignment is uselessly redundant. It's not hard to envision several more productive assignments for it (copy/paste, open/close tab, etc). The only 2 settings I ended up by changing were "Polling Rate: 1000 Hz (default 500 Hz)" and "Lightning->Scroll Wheel: ON (default OFF)". I opted not to delve into the "Profiles" and "Macros" sections, even though I'll probably revisit them in a near future. The possibility of creating "per application profile" and "custom macros" are 2 of the most powerful features of this mouse. A shrewd implementation of both will rise your productivity to unprecedented heights.
    In order to take full advantage of Orochi's high-precision "4000DPI 3G Laser Sensor" one must disable mouse acceleration. This allows Orochi to handle all the gliding and pointing bits natively. Assuming the "Enable Acceleration" option on "Razer Orochi Configurator" is left unchecked, there's still the OS mouse acceleration layer to deal with. On the WINXP side, one simply needs to uncheck "Enhance pointer precision" to permanently disable mouse acceleration. Unfortunately things aren't as merry on LEOPARD's side. After hours of research, the solution was finally found in this "Armagetron Forums" thread. In order to roughly homogenize the tracking speed on both OSs, I also set the respective "speed knobs" to 50%. Here are the details for this:

    - Disable Acceleration: Control Panel->Mouse Properties->Pointer Options->Motion-> Enhance pointer precision: OFF
    - Tracking speed at 50%: Control Panel->Mouse Properties->Pointer Options->Motion->Select a pointer speed: 6th notch from "Slow" (11 total).

    - Disable Acceleration: Check out this "Armagetron Forums" thread.
    - Tracking speed at 50%: System Preferences->Keyboard & Mouse->Mouse->Tracking Speed: 5th notch from "Slow" (10 total).

    Due to the different "knob sensitivities" of WINXP and LEOPARD, you won't get the same pixel-exact tracking speed on both OSs. Despite that, the "knob at 50%" strategy will get you pretty close. In my personal experience I've found the mouse response to be indistinguishable across WINXP and LEOPARD.

    Once all configurations were in place, I immediately jumped to a series of thorough in-game testing with "Quake 3" and "Unreal Tournament 2004". Diligently compared "Wired" and "Wireless mode". The former had a noticeable precision advantage. Nonetheless, "Sensitivities Stages" were the clear show-stopper! Switching to the lowest "500 DPI stage" markedly increased my aim in sniper mode. Never before did I got so many "headshots" in a row! Orochi is a literal "killer mouse"! Conversely, the higher sensitivities allowed for lightning fast responses in the heat of "close proximity" battle. This mouse really gives you that extra edge every gamer is looking for.
    The "off the chart" smoothness, responsiveness and accuracy observed in-game was also noticeable during day-to-day usage. It suddenly became clear why some many designers/photographers go with Orochi.
    Many reviews complained about the "sleep in 2sec + jerking" issue. You'll only find it if you actively look for it. It's simply to small of a jerk to be noticed. It will disappear the moment you stop thinking about it. This holds true for gaming and day-to-day usage.

    I've unearthed an uncanny behavior when accessing LEOPARD's "Razer Orochi" preference pane. The mere act of opening it caused the tracking speed to decrease dramatically! In fact, even escalating all the way up to 4000 DPI, the mouse still moved like it was at 1500 DPI! Thankfully, as long as you have access to a WINXP machine, there's a pretty straightforward way to tackle this: simply make sure to always use WINXP driver to configure Orochi. Since the "Synapse On-Board memory" allows one to port settings across OSs, there's really no reason to access LEOPARD's driver at all!

    06 - LOOSE NOTES
    -> Configuration of the Razer Orochi can only be performed in "Wired Mode".
    -> Both WINXP and LEOPARD drivers are capable of writing to Orochi's "Synapse On-Board memory".
    -> The "Sensitivity Stages" work flawlessly on both WINXP and LEOPARD. It's worth to underline the OSD only appears in "Wired Mode".
    -> In "Wireless Mode (bluetooth)": Pooling rate drops to 125ms (125Hz), although you can still cycle through the different "Sensitivity Stages", the OSD will no longer appear.
    -> Clean the laser lens below the Razer Orochi once a month (use soft cloth or cotton swab).

    Razer Orochi is simply the best bluetooth "high-precision mouse" out there. If you're are a serious gamer/designer it's a must. Totally worth the price. 5 stars all the way!
  6. Snowbound macrumors regular

    May 19, 2008
    I, too, just got an orochi. I use it quite a bit in wired mode, but i love the flexibility to be able to switch over to bluetooth if I need to. The preference pane does act up and I've had some odd behavior when switching between profiles, but all in all, I like it a lot.
  7. lewis82 macrumors 68000


    Aug 26, 2009
    Totalitarian Republic of Northlandia
    What resolution do you have?

    You don't need a mouse that can cross almost 3 13" MacBook Pro displays in an inch, unless you have a dual or triple monitor setup.

    Anything over 3000 is pretty much overkill. It will eventually be useful when higher resolutions arrive (30" retina display) but in the meantime it is not.

    Edit: have you bought it? Too late, then. Anyways, I just meant that it was not the most important factor but rather marketing hype, as are megapixels in point-and-shoot cameras.
  8. kha0s thread starter macrumors member


    Nov 23, 2009
    I'm currently on 1000DPI. Note that it's the 1000Hz (ms) polling rate (not the DPI) that makes for the "off the chart" smoothness and responsiveness of this mouse. Couple that with the capability of changing DPI "on the fly" and you got yourself the ultimate widow-maker mouse.:)
  9. likeabo55 macrumors newbie

    Nov 8, 2011
    update with OsX Lion 10.8


    Can the mouse run without the Synapse drivers on OSX Lion 10.8?

    How about an update Kha0s? :) I'm considering buying the newly updated 2013 version

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