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Speaking of Limewire, has anyone had any problems with that after installing Panther? Mine won't open
And on the McDonald's note, they sell hamburgers, they need to stay out of the music business.
Re: integrity
Yes, I agree with you.
I'm concerned about Apple "cheapening" themselves with a deal like this. They've always represented class and style, and being a bit off the beaten path to me. Joining with McDonalds (if it even happens) means they aren't as concerned about that, and are just doing what they can to go after average Joe Blow to buy their products. I don't care for this strategy, because it seems like the easy way out IMHO. I would think Apple could come up with more classy partnerships to continue to target the more discriminating customer. Take a look at the VW Beatle and iPod "Pods Unite" promotion they had a little while back as an example of what I mean.
But then again, "discriminating customer" does not describe a HUGE portion of America these days, sadly enough. In a society dominated by cheap Walmart goods, caffeine drinks from Starbucks, sugar water from Pepsi, Coca-Cola, etc. and fatburgers from McD's and the rest, what else can we expect Apple to do?
Yes, I agree with you.
I'm concerned about Apple "cheapening" themselves with a deal like this. They've always represented class and style, and being a bit off the beaten path to me. Joining with McDonalds (if it even happens) means they aren't as concerned about that, and are just doing what they can to go after average Joe Blow to buy their products. I don't care for this strategy, because it seems like the easy way out IMHO. I would think Apple could come up with more classy partnerships to continue to target the more discriminating customer. Take a look at the VW Beatle and iPod "Pods Unite" promotion they had a little while back as an example of what I mean.
But then again, "discriminating customer" does not describe a HUGE portion of America these days, sadly enough. In a society dominated by cheap Walmart goods, caffeine drinks from Starbucks, sugar water from Pepsi, Coca-Cola, etc. and fatburgers from McD's and the rest, what else can we expect Apple to do?
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Most of the time on these forums, you here people griping about how Apple could do 'this or that' better and that they don't market themselves well enough to the masses. It's ironic that you're complaining about exactly the opposite issue. Can't please them all I suppose.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Most of the time on these forums, you here people griping about how Apple could do 'this or that' better and that they don't market themselves well enough to the masses. It's ironic that you're complaining about exactly the opposite issue. Can't please them all I suppose.
I really don't find it that funny, actually. Little bits of news seem to have a lot more impact on Apple than on other companies. But only the bad news. When something good happens, Wall Street just seems to shrug its shoulders. But on the slightest twinge of bad news APPL drops two dollars and it takes weeks for it to climb back up to its old level.
Originally posted by srobert
Ahah! Funny
1) 10:23 AM New York Post announces a 1000000000 McDonalds iTMS give avay Apple stocks go up.
2) 1:58 PM McDonals make non-statement statement Apple stocks go down.
3) 2:30 PM Yahoo says that the deal was about to be annonced when it was leaked Apple stock start going up again.
Might be just a coincidence but funny anyway.
It might be more than just a coincidence. Note that the buying spree happened just before 2 in the afternoon when the Yahoo annoucement came out at 2:30... Do we have psychic stock brokers, or a little "prior warning"?
With a stock climb of about 20 cents in about 40 minutes before the annoucement that's some pretty steady buying going on before any reputible information.But this is just speculation on my part...
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Okay, I think you're a little off base here; little bits of news affect all companies. The reason that they don't affect them in the way you anticipate is probably because stock market insiders probably knew the news already. If you think we get news fast here on the MacRumors network, you haven't seen anything yet.
For the most part, people tossing around millions of dollars are trying to turn a quick buck from someone who watches the market like you do. They're hoping to take advantage of short-term traders.
However, investing should always be looked at in terms of short-term and long-term outlook. Apple's stock has nearly doubled in the past 6 months. Say what you will but this is nothing to sneeze at and certainly not affected by $2 swings (which rarely happen BTW, maybe once or twice every few months for Apple).
If you want to earn money in the stock market, pick good companies, buy them when the market is down and hang on to them for a few years. Trading over the short-term is a quick way to get your head handed to you. The average joe simply does not have access to the information of the million dollar players that affect stocks on a day-to-day basis.
yeah, limewire is currently broken under panther... something about java is different, and limewire is waiting on apple to solve it... someone said you can remove java out of panther, reinstall, then it works again... but i haven't tried it... some people report it works fine under panther, but MANY can't get it to work...
Maybe this has something to do with this:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031028151229265&query=java+panther
a wild guess. might be worth checking
Re: integrity
yanno.. apple and companies that are/have done bad things is nothing new... look at ibm
IBM lawsuit
<shock of all shocks> but seriously, apple dealing with odious companies wont affect negatively affect buying patterns.
yanno.. apple and companies that are/have done bad things is nothing new... look at ibm
IBM lawsuit
<shock of all shocks> but seriously, apple dealing with odious companies wont affect negatively affect buying patterns.
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im not complaining about apple marketing themselves too much here. im not sure where you got that idea. im just actively participating in whats called critical thinking even if its on a basic level. so again im not sure how you came to the conclusion about my post complaining about apple marketing itself too much... or for that matter complaining in general.
im not complaining about apple marketing themselves too much here. im not sure where you got that idea. im just actively participating in whats called critical thinking even if its on a basic level. so again im not sure how you came to the conclusion about my post complaining about apple marketing itself too much... or for that matter complaining in general.
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Clearly, I quoted the wrong post, my apologies krossfyter. My last statement was meant to repond to the integrity discussion on page one of this thread from the orginal poster and not to your response.
Clearly, I quoted the wrong post, my apologies krossfyter. My last statement was meant to repond to the integrity discussion on page one of this thread from the orginal poster and not to your response.
This size would probably be an International advertising campaign.
Simply silly numbers for the US alone...
Unless the RIAA was footing the bill.
Or it was another one of those win a billion iTunes downloads type things in your lifetime (on your computer), with Drew Carey and the Monkey once again doing the show.
My bet would be on the monkey (edit - making the announcement) ...
Simply silly numbers for the US alone...
Unless the RIAA was footing the bill.
Or it was another one of those win a billion iTunes downloads type things in your lifetime (on your computer), with Drew Carey and the Monkey once again doing the show.
My bet would be on the monkey (edit - making the announcement) ...
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Thumbs up all the way baby!!!
The Macdonald's rumor is so great I can hardly stand it.
Apple teaming with Macdonald's and Pepsi confirms them as players in the big leagues, helping them clear a major hurdle to potential switchers who are concerned that Apple will go out of business any day.
The average public perception is that if Apple, Pepsi and Macdonald's are doing joint promotions, then Apple is a major player who must be taken seriously.
This is what we all really want. It is a significant hedge against the marginalization of Apple, which was very very real in the mid to late 1990's.
These promotions will absolutely increase market share.
And the Macdonald's premiums salads really aren't that bad ......
The Macdonald's rumor is so great I can hardly stand it.
Apple teaming with Macdonald's and Pepsi confirms them as players in the big leagues, helping them clear a major hurdle to potential switchers who are concerned that Apple will go out of business any day.
The average public perception is that if Apple, Pepsi and Macdonald's are doing joint promotions, then Apple is a major player who must be taken seriously.
This is what we all really want. It is a significant hedge against the marginalization of Apple, which was very very real in the mid to late 1990's.
These promotions will absolutely increase market share.
And the Macdonald's premiums salads really aren't that bad ......
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ah okay makes sense now. apology accepted. you know i did think about you qouting the wrong person because ive done it before and others have also but i wasnt sure. carry on!
ah okay makes sense now. apology accepted. you know i did think about you qouting the wrong person because ive done it before and others have also but i wasnt sure. carry on!
Jobs arrogant or stoned yesterday?
During the conference I reckon he was probably trying very hard not to burst out laughing and belly wobbling in glee at the news he couldnt announce about iTunes and MacDough. No money in music downloads? haha, course not - unless you have a billion dollar advertising deal in the background to fuel sales of the machine that plays music downloads best.
During the conference I reckon he was probably trying very hard not to burst out laughing and belly wobbling in glee at the news he couldnt announce about iTunes and MacDough. No money in music downloads? haha, course not - unless you have a billion dollar advertising deal in the background to fuel sales of the machine that plays music downloads best.
Re: iTMS
What is sickening is hearing all this belly-aching from outside the US. Do you really believe Apple is holding back on offering you iTMS? The problem is record companies and different licensing issues in the 20 or so European countries. Now quit belly-aching!
And yes, we do believe we are the only country in the world.
What is sickening is hearing all this belly-aching from outside the US. Do you really believe Apple is holding back on offering you iTMS? The problem is record companies and different licensing issues in the 20 or so European countries. Now quit belly-aching!
And yes, we do believe we are the only country in the world.
Originally posted by MacFan26
Speaking of Limewire, has anyone had any problems with that after installing Panther? Mine won't open
And on the McDonald's note, they sell hamburgers, they need to stay out of the music business.
Yes, latest version wouldn't launch. I downgraded and it works fine. They have info on their FAQ page about Panther problems.
Re: Re: integrity
Do you really believe the Apple-VW promotion sold many iPods or VWs for that matter? It is exactly that type of promotion that Apple has used over the years that hasn't done s**t for their market share.
I don't drink Pepsi nor eat at McD but I am ecstatic over this level of promotion both as a long time Apple user and stockholder.
Seems no matter what Apple does, the bitching and moaning follows. Are you sure you are all Apple supporters or just frustrated people?
Do you really believe the Apple-VW promotion sold many iPods or VWs for that matter? It is exactly that type of promotion that Apple has used over the years that hasn't done s**t for their market share.
I don't drink Pepsi nor eat at McD but I am ecstatic over this level of promotion both as a long time Apple user and stockholder.
Seems no matter what Apple does, the bitching and moaning follows. Are you sure you are all Apple supporters or just frustrated people?
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Now THAT is the point. If we sit too haughtily on our high horses, our fall(s) will be that much more painful.
Because, wouldn't it be great if Apple could keep on the strictest of "ethical" paths, lose all market share and just go away? Thanks, Bill, we needed that!
Apple has to live in the real world... you know, the one, WE have all created. There is no place here for "standards" that are to Apple's detriment. Anyone critical of Pepsi, McDs etc needs to get a real grip and decide whether or not it is better for Apple to make inroads into the black hole of the Wintel universe... or just fail, but be OOOHHHHH! so "principled."
Time out on this silliness. Go pick on gun control or universal health care... something that has REAL social implications, not the pseudo-intellectual P/C-ers 'tilting at windmills' rubbish that seems to besot the gutless... ( ie those who like to pick battles without usable substance) -yeah, those who spend their idle time having a go at McDs and Pepsi!
Now THAT is the point. If we sit too haughtily on our high horses, our fall(s) will be that much more painful.
Because, wouldn't it be great if Apple could keep on the strictest of "ethical" paths, lose all market share and just go away? Thanks, Bill, we needed that!
Apple has to live in the real world... you know, the one, WE have all created. There is no place here for "standards" that are to Apple's detriment. Anyone critical of Pepsi, McDs etc needs to get a real grip and decide whether or not it is better for Apple to make inroads into the black hole of the Wintel universe... or just fail, but be OOOHHHHH! so "principled."
Time out on this silliness. Go pick on gun control or universal health care... something that has REAL social implications, not the pseudo-intellectual P/C-ers 'tilting at windmills' rubbish that seems to besot the gutless... ( ie those who like to pick battles without usable substance) -yeah, those who spend their idle time having a go at McDs and Pepsi!
Originally posted by MacFan26
Speaking of Limewire, has anyone had any problems with that after installing Panther? Mine won't open
And on the McDonald's note, they sell hamburgers, they need to stay out of the music business.
Clean install of Panther on my machine and limewire works fine for me.
My suggestion is the same as srobert's suggestion; look at this
Let's not forget that McDonalds (or Pepsi) is giving these away...>
Not Apple. Apple may be giving them a significant discount off the 99 cents per song, but Mc Donalds and Pepsi are paying for the downloads. Win-win for Apple. They get paid by the vendors, iTunes is sampled by people that never would have even thought of going to the Apple website and hopefully Apple will make some converts or sell a truck load of iPods.
Not Apple. Apple may be giving them a significant discount off the 99 cents per song, but Mc Donalds and Pepsi are paying for the downloads. Win-win for Apple. They get paid by the vendors, iTunes is sampled by people that never would have even thought of going to the Apple website and hopefully Apple will make some converts or sell a truck load of iPods.