I wasn't meaning to call you out. Was just saying that even the government (who has SSN, etc) doesn't ask for or get that stuff. So, I wouldn't give it to a group of people who thus far, haven't shown they could be trusted with even my spam e-mail address.Even when at a retail store, I give them fake zip codes and phone numbers when they ask at check out.
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Thanks for the pdf. It shows exactly what I was saying. Merchants don't get any benefit from Apple pay. The transaction fee is the same. Apple just gets a part of that fee. I am saying that a mobile transaction fee is higher that of credit card swipe fee. Some people on here are claiming that merchants pay less. Geez.
I get that because its safer, Apple gets a cut. But why does a mobile payment qualify as "card present" also? That means banks are losing twice. Apple is getting a cut from merchants in that when they use Apple pay, they lose more money just using a credit card which has a "card present" fee.
I'm torn on this. I use cash for bricks and mortar stores with small purchases but CC for large purchases and online.
Credit card theft is incredibly wide spread in the US because I think people use them with such abandon. I'd never use one at a tiny store or for small purchases.
Also, you lose a sense of the value of money when you constantly use a credit card. Buying something in cash makes you feel the transaction exactly where you should - in your wallet/purse. That doesn't happen with a credit card. And that is why a lot of people are in credit card debt to the tune of 10s of thousands of dollars. It's crazy when I hear people tell me how much they owe on their credit card. No fiscal responsibility or understanding... just the way the CC companies like it.
I didn't see anything about SSN on that page. Just login and 4 digit password. Went over it twice, but just didn't see it. There were a few cases of asking for account and routing numbers though.
I didn't see anything about SSN on that page. Just login and 4 digit password. Went over it twice, but just didn't see it. There were a few cases of asking for account and routing numbers though.
I believe that chip reader is different then the NFC cause with the chip you slide the card into the front of the terminal compared to just tapping the NFC reader at the top.
I didn't see anything about SSN on that page. Just login and 4 digit password. Went over it twice, but just didn't see it. There were a few cases of asking for account and routing numbers though.
Thanks for the article. It makes more sense now why banks would back Apple. But I still have a suspicion that their speculation that Apple pay rates could be less than "card present" rates is false. They mentioned people moving from cash and checks to Apple pay as an incentive. That's ridiculous because these people are already using credit cards. No reason whatsover to give them better rates. Looks likes merchants are no better off or worst with Apple pay.
Under step 5
"Enter your personal information Note: Drivers license number and social security number are used to confirm your identity. This information is not stored in your phone."
Oh really, don't know how it is in the US, but in Canada this is explicitely when it is not allowed for your SIN (SSN in the US) to be be requested. It is STRAIGHT ON THEIR WEB SITE.
- Proving your identity (except for specific government programs)
- Completing a job application before you get the job
- Completing an application to rent a property
- Negotiating a lease with a landlord
- Completing credit card application
- Cashing a cheque
- Applying for a video club membership
- Completing some banking transactions (mortgage, line of credit, loan)
- Completing a medical questionnaire
- Renting a car
- Subscribing to long-distance or cellular telephone services
writing a will
- applying to a university or college.
Anyone who asks it in all of those cases can get into trouble, big fines, etc.
If the US allows any of these uses, well the US is a really dumb place to live...
Those that are allowed (very short list):
- Your employer
- Most financial dealings with the government, including taxes, pension plans, all kind of benefits programs, etc.
- Fnancial institutions from which you earn interest or income (for example, banks, credit unions, trust companies)
That's it. Pretty restricted hmmm...
Pay vs CurrentC is all a moot point until
pay allows more that 6 banks Debit/credit cards to work.
Even someone blind would probably have found it, so I'm guessing deliberately obtuse...
Thanks for the article. It makes more sense now why banks would back Apple. But I still have a suspicion that their speculation that Apple pay rates could be less than "card present" rates is false. They mentioned people moving from cash and checks to Apple pay as an incentive. That's ridiculous because these people are already using credit cards. No reason whatsover to give them better rates. Looks likes merchants are no better off or worst with Apple pay.
Got it. Thanks.
Interesting, there is no mention of entering DL#, or SSN, just that they don't store it on the phone.
Gee, thanks guys - storing in the cloud is much better than my phone.![]()
---------------VISA alone lists more than 440 banks and credit unions which support ApplePay right now.
http://usa.visa.com/clients-partner...on/apple-pay/financial-institutions/index.jsp
Look, ApplePay is big. I know it is because there was never a single local news story on NFC contactless payment, or any other electronic wallet system - until now.
Once things start showing up on local news, it's a big deal.
99% of the population doesn't geek out on technology blogs like us...
It took Apple to bring this into the mainstream.
Thanks for the article. It makes more sense now why banks would back Apple. But I still have a suspicion that their speculation that Apple pay rates could be less than "card present" rates is false. They mentioned people moving from cash and checks to Apple pay as an incentive. That's ridiculous because these people are already using credit cards. No reason whatsover to give them better rates. Looks likes merchants are no better off or worst with Apple pay.
if you walk into a chase bank in the u.s and want to open a checking account, you should bring the following items:
money
photo i.d. (driver's license/passport/miliatry i.d)
social security card (which they make a copy of)
recent utility bill with printed name&address or other documentation verifying current address
thumb print
credit check
signature
variety of security questions answers generally of private nature
if you walk into a chase bank in the u.s and want to open a checking account, you should bring the following items:
• money
• photo i.d. (driver's license/passport/miliatry i.d)
• social security card (which they make a copy of)
• recent utility bill with printed name&address or other documentation verifying current address
• thumb print
• credit check
• signature
• variety of security questions answers generally of private nature