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sorry the cloud is never the best place for personal data, especially extremely important personal data
 
I wasn't meaning to call you out. Was just saying that even the government (who has SSN, etc) doesn't ask for or get that stuff. So, I wouldn't give it to a group of people who thus far, haven't shown they could be trusted with even my spam e-mail address. ;) Even when at a retail store, I give them fake zip codes and phone numbers when they ask at check out. :D

Hi,

I read it just as you intended. No worries. I do the fake phone number and zip too. Most cashiers don't mind. They must input something and move on.

Thanks for your post!
 
Thanks for the pdf. It shows exactly what I was saying. Merchants don't get any benefit from Apple pay. The transaction fee is the same. Apple just gets a part of that fee. I am saying that a mobile transaction fee is higher that of credit card swipe fee. Some people on here are claiming that merchants pay less. Geez.


The person who said merchants pay less was just as wrong as you saying they pay more. They pay the same for the same type of transaction. Card present at merchant terminals and card not present through a merchant app over the internet.
 
I get that because its safer, Apple gets a cut. But why does a mobile payment qualify as "card present" also? That means banks are losing twice. Apple is getting a cut from merchants in that when they use Apple pay, they lose more money just using a credit card which has a "card present" fee.

Again, you are ignorant of the facts. Go read some more -- people on this board have given you plenty of suggestions for good reading. If you don't want to educate yourself about the facts, that's certainly your choice.
 
I'm torn on this. I use cash for bricks and mortar stores with small purchases but CC for large purchases and online.

Credit card theft is incredibly wide spread in the US because I think people use them with such abandon. I'd never use one at a tiny store or for small purchases.

Also, you lose a sense of the value of money when you constantly use a credit card. Buying something in cash makes you feel the transaction exactly where you should - in your wallet/purse. That doesn't happen with a credit card. And that is why a lot of people are in credit card debt to the tune of 10s of thousands of dollars. It's crazy when I hear people tell me how much they owe on their credit card. No fiscal responsibility or understanding... just the way the CC companies like it.

IF you had a bank account which sends emails/sms/whatever if certain treshold are met, or certain transactions occurs, you'd know exactly how much you spend. You could also have a bank app linked to touch ID on your phone just to get those messages, they could show up in your notifications.

BTW, if you can ask for cashback everywhere, you lose the cash limits sales effect because you don't get to see your account balance. That's how I take my money out and believe me, it goes as fast that way as with a credit card or direct debit. It is knowing your balance that truly limits your spending.
 
I didn't see anything about SSN on that page. Just login and 4 digit password. Went over it twice, but just didn't see it. There were a few cases of asking for account and routing numbers though.

Under step 5

"Enter your personal information – Note: Driver’s license number and social security number are used to confirm your identity. This information is not stored in your phone."
 
Well.....highly confused on how to feel about this since I apparently have some stock in a part of this product/company (or company with connection to this product/company).
 
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I didn't see anything about SSN on that page. Just login and 4 digit password. Went over it twice, but just didn't see it. There were a few cases of asking for account and routing numbers though.

Even someone blind would probably have found it, so I'm guessing deliberately obtuse...
 
I believe that chip reader is different then the NFC cause with the chip you slide the card into the front of the terminal compared to just tapping the NFC reader at the top.

Yes they are completely different technology.

However just like your car, when you want power windows you also get power door locks. It is cheaper for the auto industry to give you both. And to go one step further, it is cheaper for the auto industry not to offer roll up windows at all.

The companies making chip readers are including NFC readers because it is cheaper to make one model than to make three different models.

The merchants configure what they want by software.
 
I didn't see anything about SSN on that page. Just login and 4 digit password. Went over it twice, but just didn't see it. There were a few cases of asking for account and routing numbers though.

Under step 5:
Enter your personal information – Note: Driver’s license number and social security number are used to confirm your identity. This information is not stored in your phone.
 
Thanks for the article. It makes more sense now why banks would back Apple. But I still have a suspicion that their speculation that Apple pay rates could be less than "card present" rates is false. They mentioned people moving from cash and checks to Apple pay as an incentive. That's ridiculous because these people are already using credit cards. No reason whatsover to give them better rates. Looks likes merchants are no better off or worst with Apple pay.
 
Under step 5

"Enter your personal information – Note: Driver’s license number and social security number are used to confirm your identity. This information is not stored in your phone."

Got it. Thanks.

Interesting, there is no mention of entering DL#, or SSN, just that they don't store it on the phone.

Gee, thanks guys - storing in the cloud is much better than my phone. :rolleyes:
 
Oh really, don't know how it is in the US, but in Canada this is explicitely when it is not allowed for your SIN (SSN in the US) to be be requested. It is STRAIGHT ON THEIR WEB SITE.

- Proving your identity (except for specific government programs)
- Completing a job application before you get the job
- Completing an application to rent a property
- Negotiating a lease with a landlord
- Completing credit card application
- Cashing a cheque
- Applying for a video club membership
- Completing some banking transactions (mortgage, line of credit, loan)
- Completing a medical questionnaire
- Renting a car
- Subscribing to long-distance or cellular telephone services
writing a will
- applying to a university or college.

Anyone who asks it in all of those cases can get into trouble, big fines, etc.

If the US allows any of these uses, well the US is a really dumb place to live...

Those that are allowed (very short list):

- Your employer
- Most financial dealings with the government, including taxes, pension plans, all kind of benefits programs, etc.
- Fnancial institutions from which you earn interest or income (for example, banks, credit unions, trust companies)

That's it. Pretty restricted hmmm...

if you walk into a chase bank in the u.s and want to open a checking account, you should bring the following items:

• money
• photo i.d. (driver's license/passport/miliatry i.d)
• social security card (which they make a copy of)
• recent utility bill with printed name&address or other documentation verifying current address
• thumb print
• credit check
• signature
• variety of security questions answers generally of private nature
 
:apple:Pay vs CurrentC is all a moot point until :apple:pay allows more that 6 banks Debit/credit cards to work.


VISA alone lists more than 440 banks and credit unions which support ApplePay right now.

http://usa.visa.com/clients-partner...on/apple-pay/financial-institutions/index.jsp

Look, ApplePay is big. I know it is because there was never a single local news story on NFC contactless payment, or any other electronic wallet system - until now.

Once things start showing up on local news, it's a big deal.

99% of the population doesn't geek out on technology blogs like us...

It took Apple to bring this into the mainstream.
 
Thanks for the article. It makes more sense now why banks would back Apple. But I still have a suspicion that their speculation that Apple pay rates could be less than "card present" rates is false. They mentioned people moving from cash and checks to Apple pay as an incentive. That's ridiculous because these people are already using credit cards. No reason whatsover to give them better rates. Looks likes merchants are no better off or worst with Apple pay.

That's the point. Apple pay is a supplement to the existing system. It's not a replacement for the existing system.
 
Got it. Thanks.

Interesting, there is no mention of entering DL#, or SSN, just that they don't store it on the phone.

Gee, thanks guys - storing in the cloud is much better than my phone. :rolleyes:

No problem, I had to ask too. It's just kid of skims though that part top.
 
I'm not sure which payment system is the best or most privacy impinging, but I think it ought to be my choice which I want to use. CVS won't be getting any of my prescriptions or toiletry purchases in the near future and I won't shop at MCX retailers until they lift their monopoly mobile payment fence. Not a big hardship really if you look at the list of members. :)
 
The largest corporations on earth playing little games with each other to see who can extract the most juice from the proles is now called "challenging the status quo." Ok. Lol.
 
VISA alone lists more than 440 banks and credit unions which support ApplePay right now.

http://usa.visa.com/clients-partner...on/apple-pay/financial-institutions/index.jsp

Look, ApplePay is big. I know it is because there was never a single local news story on NFC contactless payment, or any other electronic wallet system - until now.

Once things start showing up on local news, it's a big deal.

99% of the population doesn't geek out on technology blogs like us...

It took Apple to bring this into the mainstream.
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look who's backing it.. of course it's big ;)



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funny too @ everybody whining of giving personal info.. go to the chase site:
https://www.chase.com

..and try to click on a link.. you're required to enter your zip code prior to simply looking at the website :confused:
 
Thanks for the article. It makes more sense now why banks would back Apple. But I still have a suspicion that their speculation that Apple pay rates could be less than "card present" rates is false. They mentioned people moving from cash and checks to Apple pay as an incentive. That's ridiculous because these people are already using credit cards. No reason whatsover to give them better rates. Looks likes merchants are no better off or worst with Apple pay.


Finally you're starting to understand. Right now they aren't better or worse off. I really think there's a chance that if the in app payment by ApplePay thing works out well that maybe banks could offer internet merchants card present rates or maybe some intermediate tier. Can you imagine what would happen if the card companies told Amazon they could get card present rates if their customers shopped through the Amazon app and used TouchID to authorize purchases.....Amazon and every Internet company would be all over this!!!! I actually think the in app ApplePay could become more revolutionary than in store uses. But I want both to work out!
 
if you walk into a chase bank in the u.s and want to open a checking account, you should bring the following items:

• money
• photo i.d. (driver's license/passport/miliatry i.d)
• social security card (which they make a copy of)
• recent utility bill with printed name&address or other documentation verifying current address
• thumb print
• credit check
• signature
• variety of security questions answers generally of private nature

Unless you are here illegally then you go to BofA with nothing and they give you a bank account and a home mortgage. Lol. It's hilarious because it's true!!! They're proud of it!
 
if you walk into a chase bank in the u.s and want to open a checking account, you should bring the following items:

• money
• photo i.d. (driver's license/passport/miliatry i.d)
• social security card (which they make a copy of)
• recent utility bill with printed name&address or other documentation verifying current address
• thumb print
• credit check
• signature
• variety of security questions answers generally of private nature

You did read that banks were allowed to ask for SSN (Canadian equivalent)
 
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