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I have that same desk mat

Good desktop mat ;)

For Mac supported keyboard and layout. It's pretty easy to get around by using a custom keyboard that can be programmed.
Such as QMK support.

Massdrop's CTRL keyboard can also do that as well.

Or if people don't mind spend more money, those "Custom Keyboard" can easily support it as well, and just buy the keycapss to match it.
 
When you get your K2 I'd love to hear your thoughts on the build quality, lighting quality, and how the Gateron brown compares with Cherry MX brown.

It came last Friday so I haven't had a lot of typing time with it yet, but will be using it all week so I'll know by this Friday how I really like it. I know I like it enough to keep it, just deciding if it will be main or backup keyboard. All of my comparisons are based on the CODE keyboard.

The lighting is nice. While there are a number of effects offered, I only like a few as I want it lit all the time without too much changing. Many of the color modes are distracting to me. You can watch their video on the color modes and see it. The lighting is pretty even to me and doesn't disappoint.

For the switches, they are definitely different though I am not sure if they are worse or better. I find them quieter and I feel a bit more even resistance to them compared to the Cherry MX. At this point, I am not against buying a keyboard with either the Gateron or the Cherry MX.

I do like having the full MAC keys so like brightness, volume, mission control, etc. are all working in the function row. I'll update this after I've had more time typing on the keyboard. There is an adjustment for me as the switches are different and the keys feel a bit closer together than my CODE.

Update 1: I didn't think I'd update this that quickly, but as I've been working today, I'm changing my mind on the switches. I'm going to say the Gateron ones are more mushy and I don't like them. I'll be switching back to my CODE. I'm going to gbuy a Das 4 MAC and I'm going to make the K2 my travel keyboard due to it being small. The Das lacks backlight, but that seems common with mechanical keyboards and many mechanical keyboard forums are filled with comments of users not liking them so I'm bailing on that as a requirement.
 
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It came last Friday so I haven't had a lot of typing time with it yet, but will be using it all week so I'll know by this Friday how I really like it. I know I like it enough to keep it, just deciding if it will be main or backup keyboard. All of my comparisons are based on the CODE keyboard.

The lighting is nice. While there are a number of effects offered, I only like a few as I want it lit all the time without too much changing. Many of the color modes are distracting to me. You can watch their video on the color modes and see it. The lighting is pretty even to me and doesn't disappoint.

For the switches, they are definitely different though I am not sure if they are worse or better. I find them quieter and I feel a bit more even resistance to them compared to the Cherry MX. At this point, I am not against buying a keyboard with either the Gateron or the Cherry MX.

I do like having the full MAC keys so like brightness, volume, mission control, etc. are all working in the function row. I'll update this after I've had more time typing on the keyboard. There is an adjustment for me as the switches are different and the keys feel a bit closer together than my CODE.

Update 1: I didn't think I'd update this that quickly, but as I've been working today, I'm changing my mind on the switches. I'm going to say the Gateron ones are more mushy and I don't like them. I'll be switching back to my CODE. I'm going to gbuy a Das 4 MAC and I'm going to make the K2 my travel keyboard due to it being small. The Das lacks backlight, but that seems common with mechanical keyboards and many mechanical keyboard forums are filled with comments of users not liking them so I'm bailing on that as a requirement.
Thanks for the update - when I logged in this evening I was going to message you if you hadn't updated!

Good to know that the build quality and lighting seems up to snuff. Sorry to hear that the switches didn't get on with you. Based on your review, I'm thinking to go ahead and pre-order the Keychron K4. I'm not sure I like the way that they completely compacted a full-layout keyboard, but it could work to my advantage as my full-layout keyboard forced me to move my trackpad off the keyboard tray, whereas it fit just fine with the Apple "Magic Keyboard."

Now I'm just deliberating on the switch type. I already know I want blue-style switches, but Keychron made optical switches available on the K4. They're marketed as being special for gamers and I don't care about that, but my current keyboard is having a weird repeat issue on some keys that are infrequently used and I'm wondering - given that I live near an ocean - if this is a corrosion problem. Optical switches would be free of that issue. Additionally, I've read that the Gateron blues are louder than the Cherry MX blues, while the LK optical blue switches are perhaps a bit less noticeable. I don't mind Cherry MX blues but they're at the upper limit of what sound I'd find tolerable. The company says that the LK blue and Gateron blues feel about the same, but of course the only way to know for sure is to put some time in on the keys. The Gateron blues are the safest option, but I'm so tempted by the LK optical switches...

It's too bad these keyboard companies don't have policies like Zappos, where you can order multiple boards and then return the ones you don't feel fit or feel right for a full refund.

I've been using the Das 4 Professional for Mac for ~2 years now. When I bought it they were still using Greetech switches instead of Cherry MX. I like the keyboard; aside from this possible corrosion issue, it has served me well and I like the layout of everything. The ruler that they use as the "feet" to prop up the keyboard has also come in use about 1-2 times per year, surprisingly to me. It seemed silly at first but it's actually a pretty nice feature. I think you'll like the keyboard.
 
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I received my Keychron K4 today. For those who don't know, this is Keychron's third keyboard - the first was a low-profile mechanical switch keyboard, and the second was a "ten keyless" board (lacking the numpad), which received good reviews. The K4 has a full keypad layout, but it's a "96%" keyboard, meaning it occupies 96% of the footprint of a standard keyboard. They accomplished this by removing the gaps that usually exist between the standard keyboard, the arrow keys, and the number pad.

They offer this keyboard in plastic and aluminum chassis options, and I went with the aluminum chassis. They also offer it with many switch options: four mechanical switch options from Gateron, and two different optical switch options. I chose the blue optical switches (which are provided by LK optical, based on what I've read). Even though optical switches are current marketed toward gamers, I chose the optical switches over the Gateron blue switches for two reasons. I live near an ocean and one of my mechanical keyboards has started to repeat key presses on some keys; maybe it just needs a thorough cleaning, but I started worrying about corrosion, which shouldn't be an issue with the optical switches. The other reason is based on quality of life: I've read that the Gateron blues are similar to the Cherry MX Blues, but louder, whereas the LK Optical blue switches supposedly offer a more definitive key press feel than Cherry MX blues, but come at a softer volume. That would be win-win if true.

My initial impression is favorable, overall. I'll have to do a bunch of typing with it but the optical switches are interesting. They're not as loud as my Das Professional S with Cherry MX blues; maybe more similar to my Das Professional 4 with Greetech brown switches. (The pitch is similar to the Cherry MX blues but the volume is closer to the browns, if that makes sense). So the claim about the sound factor is probably true, although it's always hard to tell how much of the sound is due to the switches and how much is due to the chassis and keycaps.

Build quality is solid. The lighting options are nice. There is no software to change lighting - you get some patterns and a switch to toggle between them, and that's it. It's all I wanted, so I'm happy. Maybe it's because the keys are fairly close together and the chassis comes up high on the edges, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of light leak. Like Apple's keyboards there is an ability to adjust the brightness level, although it doesn't seem to have the degree of fine brightness control that Apple's do (based on my memory... but this isn't an issue to me).

That's all well and good, but the question is really how the keyboard feels in use. The switches feel good overall - I still rank the Cherry MX blues as being better, but these are about equal to the Cherry MX browns, which I think are better than the Greetech browns. Some of the keys (like the backspace key) feel slightly different, which is interesting, but for the keys that count (your letters and numbers, including the number pad numbers) the keys feel crisp and clicky. The Gateron blues probably feel closer to the Cherry MX blues.

The biggest thing to get adjusted to will be the keyboard layout. Twice while typing this I already accidentally hit the up arrows and backspace key, when I meant to press the del key (which is located very far from where it is on most full-length keyboards). The right shift key, which is the one that I tend to use the most, is also smaller than on the left - which is to say, it's about 3/4 the size of a usual shift key. The lack of any space between the arrow keys and the rest will also take some getting used to, as I'm fairly certain that I used to briefly rub my fingers over the gap to ensure that I was positioned over the arrow keys without looking at them.

Is the reduction in size worth it? I have a small keyboard tray that could accommodate both an Apple Magic Keyboard (version without any number pad) and an Apple Magic Trackpad, but that could only fit a full-sized keyboard without the trackpad. The 96% keyboard does allow me to place the trackpad back onto the tray, but both the trackpad and keyboard are slightly hanging off. It works, but it's not optimal. Still struggling with the slightly different key layout, I don't think it's worth it - but it's impressive that this can work at all and still be a full-sized layout, so I'll roll with it. I know that I'd need the tenkeyless keyboard to fit everything nicely. The fact that the K4 can also operate in Bluetooth mode is a boon that also makes its ability to fit into tighter spaces a bit nicer.

Long story short, I'll go through the learning curve with this keyboard layout and plan to put my Das Professional 4 up for sale, and use this one as my primary. However, if and when Keychron releases a similar keyboard but in a full-size layout (or if Das finally makes something like the 4Q in a Mac layout and with full Mac support) I might trade out keyboards once again. That is, assuming I haven't fully gotten used to the K4's keyboard layout at that time. However, the K4's placement of the "del" key at the far upper right of the keyboard is problematic and makes me realize just how heavily I used that key, and no amount of getting used to the key layout will change the fact that the key is now farther from the standard keys than it is on a standard, full-sized keyboard layout... and while the function key can be held to turn the backspace into the del key, unlike the Apple Magic Keyboard it's a smaller key located on the lower right side of the board. Key bindings can always be redone, but it raises the question of how far a person would want to go to get around a different key layout.

edit: A few days in and I find that I really like the feel of the keys. It's still a bit mushier than I expect compared with Cherry MX Blues, but once I get to typing then it feels crisp. I'm probably just adjusting to how much I need to press the keys down to get the press actuated; perhaps with even more time I won't have that first minute where it feels mushy.

Keychron provides a key cap puller with the keyboard, and they also recommend using Karabiner for remapping keys. I was still having a hard time getting on with the Del key being so far, away, so I swapped it with the num/clear key and remapped it. I'm still not using the Del key as much as I normally would, but it feels better to have it closer.

Still getting used to the right shift key being smaller, and still getting used to the 0 key on the numpad also being the same size as the other numbers. But at least I'm not hitting the up arrow key as often when I'm trying to hit the shift key on the right, and I don't have to look down at the arrow keys quite as often to make sure that I'm pressing the right one. I'd still favor a standard full-sized keyboard so that I don't need to relearn any keyboard layouts, but the muscle memory is developing.
 
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Hi Ledgem,

Can you tell me if your K4 has a solid white LED backlight mode? I'm interested in either the K1 or the K4 (because I need the numpad), but I don't really want the color. I'm find with it as a novelty, but I'd like solid white for actual use. The numpad K1 and the AL K4 both only come with color LEDs. Thanks!

I received my Keychron K4 today. For those who don't know, this is Keychron's third keyboard - the first was a low-profile mechanical switch keyboard, and the second was a "ten keyless" board (lacking the numpad), which received good reviews. The K4 has a full keypad layout, but it's a "96%" keyboard, meaning it occupies 96% of the footprint of a standard keyboard. They accomplished this by removing the gaps that usually exist between the standard keyboard, the arrow keys, and the number pad.

They offer this keyboard in plastic and aluminum chassis options, and I went with the aluminum chassis. They also offer it with many switch options: four mechanical switch options from Gateron, and two different optical switch options. I chose the blue optical switches (which are provided by LK optical, based on what I've read). Even though optical switches are current marketed toward gamers, I chose the optical switches over the Gateron blue switches for two reasons. I live near an ocean and one of my mechanical keyboards has started to repeat key presses on some keys; maybe it just needs a thorough cleaning, but I started worrying about corrosion, which shouldn't be an issue with the optical switches. The other reason is based on quality of life: I've read that the Gateron blues are similar to the Cherry MX Blues, but louder, whereas the LK Optical blue switches supposedly offer a more definitive key press feel than Cherry MX blues, but come at a softer volume. That would be win-win if true.

My initial impression is favorable, overall. I'll have to do a bunch of typing with it but the optical switches are interesting. They're not as loud as my Das Professional S with Cherry MX blues; maybe more similar to my Das Professional 4 with Greetech brown switches. (The pitch is similar to the Cherry MX blues but the volume is closer to the browns, if that makes sense). So the claim about the sound factor is probably true, although it's always hard to tell how much of the sound is due to the switches and how much is due to the chassis and keycaps.

Build quality is solid. The lighting options are nice. There is no software to change lighting - you get some patterns and a switch to toggle between them, and that's it. It's all I wanted, so I'm happy. Maybe it's because the keys are fairly close together and the chassis comes up high on the edges, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of light leak. Like Apple's keyboards there is an ability to adjust the brightness level, although it doesn't seem to have the degree of fine brightness control that Apple's do (based on my memory... but this isn't an issue to me).

That's all well and good, but the question is really how the keyboard feels in use. The switches feel good overall - I still rank the Cherry MX blues as being better, but these are about equal to the Cherry MX browns, which I think are better than the Greetech browns. Some of the keys (like the backspace key) feel slightly different, which is interesting, but for the keys that count (your letters and numbers, including the number pad numbers) the keys feel crisp and clicky. The Gateron blues probably feel closer to the Cherry MX blues.

The biggest thing to get adjusted to will be the keyboard layout. Twice while typing this I already accidentally hit the up arrows and backspace key, when I meant to press the del key (which is located very far from where it is on most full-length keyboards). The right shift key, which is the one that I tend to use the most, is also smaller than on the left - which is to say, it's about 3/4 the size of a usual shift key. The lack of any space between the arrow keys and the rest will also take some getting used to, as I'm fairly certain that I used to briefly rub my fingers over the gap to ensure that I was positioned over the arrow keys without looking at them.

Is the reduction in size worth it? I have a small keyboard tray that could accommodate both an Apple Magic Keyboard (version without any number pad) and an Apple Magic Trackpad, but that could only fit a full-sized keyboard without the trackpad. The 96% keyboard does allow me to place the trackpad back onto the tray, but both the trackpad and keyboard are slightly hanging off. It works, but it's not optimal. Still struggling with the slightly different key layout, I don't think it's worth it - but it's impressive that this can work at all and still be a full-sized layout, so I'll roll with it. I know that I'd need the tenkeyless keyboard to fit everything nicely. The fact that the K4 can also operate in Bluetooth mode is a boon that also makes its ability to fit into tighter spaces a bit nicer.

Long story short, I'll go through the learning curve with this keyboard layout and plan to put my Das Professional 4 up for sale, and use this one as my primary. However, if and when Keychron releases a similar keyboard but in a full-size layout (or if Das finally makes something like the 4Q in a Mac layout and with full Mac support) I might trade out keyboards once again. That is, assuming I haven't fully gotten used to the K4's keyboard layout at that time. However, the K4's placement of the "del" key at the far upper right of the keyboard is problematic and makes me realize just how heavily I used that key, and no amount of getting used to the key layout will change the fact that the key is now farther from the standard keys than it is on a standard, full-sized keyboard layout... and while the function key can be held to turn the backspace into the del key, unlike the Apple Magic Keyboard it's a smaller key located on the lower right side of the board. Key bindings can always be redone, but it raises the question of how far a person would want to go to get around a different key layout.

edit: A few days in and I find that I really like the feel of the keys. It's still a bit mushier than I expect compared with Cherry MX Blues, but once I get to typing then it feels crisp. I'm probably just adjusting to how much I need to press the keys down to get the press actuated; perhaps with even more time I won't have that first minute where it feels mushy.

Keychron provides a key cap puller with the keyboard, and they also recommend using Karabiner for remapping keys. I was still having a hard time getting on with the Del key being so far, away, so I swapped it with the num/clear key and remapped it. I'm still not using the Del key as much as I normally would, but it feels better to have it closer.

Still getting used to the right shift key being smaller, and still getting used to the 0 key on the numpad also being the same size as the other numbers. But at least I'm not hitting the up arrow key as often when I'm trying to hit the shift key on the right, and I don't have to look down at the arrow keys quite as often to make sure that I'm pressing the right one. I'd still favor a standard full-sized keyboard so that I don't need to relearn any keyboard layouts, but the muscle memory is developing.
 
Hi Ledgem,

Can you tell me if your K4 has a solid white LED backlight mode? I'm interested in either the K1 or the K4 (because I need the numpad), but I don't really want the color. I'm find with it as a novelty, but I'd like solid white for actual use. The numpad K1 and the AL K4 both only come with color LEDs. Thanks!
Interesting, I didn't realize that the aluminum version was RGB-only.

The answer to your question is yes: I cycled through the various colors and there is a solid white setting that doesn't fade or animate with key presses. However, looking at it in darkness, you can sort of see individual colors as you move your head or eyes. This is less of an issue with the animated and colored patterns. It's a slight nuisance, but it's not painful or disorienting. (By comparison, the Das 5Q, before a certain firmware update, had this really weird color shift from the LEDs that was visible from peripheral vision and that was actually uncomfortable... not sure if it had to do with the frequency that they were shining at).

If you do go with the K4, I'd say that it's a nice keyboard but I'd avoid the optical switches if you like Cherry MX Browns or Blues. Even though I went with the LK Optical Blue switch, I don't feel that I can type as quickly on the keyboard as on my boards with the Cherry MX Blue and Brown switches. The keys feel slightly mushier, but you quickly adapt to where the actuation point is and don't need to bottom out... but it feels as if the keys don't rebound as quickly compared with the Cherry MX switches. In practice I don't think I've had any issues with repeatedly tapping a key to generate key presses (such as typing "..."), but the Cherry switches seem to give your fingers a little boost when you're lifting back up. For me, at least, it makes me feel faster and less fatigued.

The K4 doesn't come with Cherry switches, of course, but with the Gateron-made versions. I've never used a Gateron switch, but at this point I sort of wish that I had ordered my K4 with the Gateron Blues instead. I'd rank the LK Optical Blue below Cherry MX Blue and Brown, but above Greetech Brown and "Gamma Zulu" (switches in the Das 5Q).

Still haven't gotten totally used to the keyboard layout... the lighting comes in handy to make sure I'm hitting the proper arrow key. Not making as many accidental key presses anymore, either, so I'm getting there. But it still feels like a relief to sometimes sit down back at a standard-layout keyboard. If Das (or another company) makes an RGB-lit keyboard with Cherry MX Blue (or maybe even Brown) switches and full Mac compatibility, I'd probably sell my K4 and change.
 
Am using HHKB, have a preference of it as they're sort of "smoother" than Cherry Browns.

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Just received the keychron k1 keyboard today. Version 3 with blue switches.

Kind of disappointed to be honest. It looks fantastic, and almost everything just works (I had trouble getting wired mode to work but that might have been user error).

Key layout and the reduced travel also makes it easier to transition from a MacBook pro keyboard.

But the switches are so mushy! And kind of loud (which I was expecting so that's fine). Really just was not expecting the mushiness. I'm looking for a crisp switch with light actuation force in a keyboard that is low profile and no number pad (but I need all the other keys cause it will be used for programming).

I NEED to stop buying keyboards so I am trying to see if I can get used to this one but most likely going back. Sigh...
 
Are those Gateron switches? I had the Gateron Brown in my K4 and ended up not caring for them. It could just be me, but I'm sticking with Cherry MX switches even though I've read much that says I shouldn't know a difference. Even if it's mental, it ends up affecting my typing.
 
The K1 uses Gateron switches, but they're "low profile" versions. I avoided that keyboard even though it has a layout I prefer over the K4, largely because I didn't trust how low-profile switches would feel. I think when I looked they were also stuck on Gateron yellow low-profile switches, with yellow supposedly being something between brown and red? It looks like now there are some more choices, but they're all low-profile variants.

As for me, I'm still adjusting to my K4 with the LK optical blue switches, but I recently reconnected my Windows-based G.Skill KM780 (my very first mechanical keyboard) and I find that I prefer the feel of the Cherry MX Browns to the LK Blues. The key presses just feel more solid, and it feels like there's this "bounce" when you're releasing a key that helps with fatigue. The LK Blues are louder and probably have a more defined (yet subtle) click for actuation, but they don't bounce back in the same way. (And I've also come to find that the spacebar sounds clunky, whereas the other keys sound clicky, so that's kind of jarring.) Much as I like the G.Skill, I also have a Das Professional S with Cherry MX Blue switches that represents my absolute favorite keyboard to type on, hands down. So, I'm with unashamedgeek in thinking that Cherry MX switches are really the way to go, even though all of these data and actuation curves indicate that there shouldn't be a huge difference between Cherry and many other manufacturers.

I'll stick with the Keychron K4 for now, partly because it doesn't feel terrible to type on and largely because I really like the lighting effect. But Das recently sent out a survey asking for what I'd want, so I told them: something like a 4Q (because I want that lighting) with Cherry MX Blue switches as an option and full Mac support and layout. If they end up making it, the Keychron will probably become relegated to a travel keyboard, or sold.
 
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As far as switches, I've used Cherry MX Browns, Logitech GL Clicky, and Cherry MX Red.

I'm sticking with Reds for now on. Just a smooth typing experience without all the noise of the Clicky that starts to get to me after a while. Second choice would definitely be Browns.
 
Keychron released a "tenkeyless" keyboard with a more standard layout, called the K8. I just couldn't get on with the squished layout of the K4, and have transitioned over. As far as I'm concerned, Keychron are really the best option for mechanical keyboards on the Mac.

There's also a new option that Keychron is including: hot-swappable switches! Basically, switches are now "plug and play." Instead of needing to de-solder and solder, you just use a little tool to pull the switches out, then line up the new switches and push them in. Not only does it theoretically extend the life of the keyboard (since you can easily replace a switch that has gone faulty, not that such things happen often), but it saves a lot of money if you're curious about mechanical switches. I bought my K8 with Gateron Brown switches (which I think I prefer to Cherry MX Brown, even though they're similar) and then wanted to try Gateron Clear switches (linear instead of tactile, and with a 30 g actuation force instead of 45 g for the Brown and 50 g for Blue switches). The cost was something like $18 (not including shipping), instead of the usual $100+ for an entirely new keyboard. And of course, with a hot-swappable board you can fully customize it; partly out of laziness I left many of the keys with the Gateron Brown switches and only swapped out the main letter and number keys with the Gateron Clears, but it makes sense that some people may want certain keys to require a heavier keypress or provide more feedback than others.

My love affair with the Cherry MX Blues came to an end; I realized that I was feeling finger-fatigue when typing at work. I think things were fine when I was generally awake enough to not bottom out the keys, but I've been sleep deprived over the past few months. I now have a replacement Windows keyboard (hot swappable, of course) with Kailh "box" Brown switches for the office. Even though Browns seem to be regarded as a starter switch for everyone (regardless of whether they're from Cherry, Gateron, or Kailh) they're still my favorites.

Hopefully my quest for keyboards is over now that I have hot-swap options, and hopefully the return to browns (and my dabbling into linear switches with the Gateron Clears) means I'm not going to be continuing to hunt for switches.
 
I'm also a Keychron aficianado. I have two K1 keyboards (one in the discontinued Gateron Yellow, one Gateron Red) and and my new K8 (also Gateron Red).

The latter might be the best keyboard I have used since an SGI keyboard (ALPS switches) from the mid-Nineties. The K8 is now my primary keyboard; amusingly I deliberately bought it for a Windows machine.

For sure the Gateron Red low-profile switches (in the K1) feel/sound a lot different than the regular Red switches in the K8 even if all of the stats are very close.
 
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For the past two weeks I have been using my first mechanical keyboard in 25 years, the Keychron K2 "Gateron Red" with RGB backlight. It's really a pleasure to try a real keyboard again and the Mac layout is definitely an added bonus. I normally use the steady red backlight on the caps when working in a darker environment, very pleasing for the eyes.
 
I'm ready to buy the K8 to add to my keyboard collection, but I'm torn if I should get their optical switch. I've never used those so I'm interested in how they compare. Anybody of tried those?
 
I have a Matias Tactile Pro (which uses Alps mechanical switches) and a Matias Quiet Pro. I got the Matias quiet version because as much as I love typing on the Tactile Pro, my wife did not share my enthusiasm. It is LOUD and my study is upstairs, so late night typing or gaming sessions are impossible.

I am not sure what the Quiet Pro uses, but it's ok. Certainly not as good as the Tactile for typing, but at least it has the wife approval factor.

I am quite intrigued by these Keychron offerings because I would dearly love to simplify the wires in front of me. Has anybody transitioned from Matias to Keychron and would like to offer any thoughts?
 
I'm ready to buy the K8 to add to my keyboard collection, but I'm torn if I should get their optical switch. I've never used those so I'm interested in how they compare. Anybody of tried those?
I used one of the LK Optical (Blue) switches on their K4; I believe the optical switches on the K8 are their own formula, so it'll be a bit different. I had one keyboard with switches suffer what I think were corrosion issues (living near the ocean), so the optical concept appealed to me. Ultimately, I didn't like the feel of them. They were clicky in sound, but the tactility left me wanting. I struggled with it for a few months, and ultimately when the K8 came out I deliberated for a bit and went back to regular mechanical switches. Hot-swappable boards make any individual switch issue a non-issue, as you can very easily replace the switch, and replacement switches are cheap.

I haven't sworn off of optical switches, but given that your options are really limited (even if the hot-swap options), and that I'd guess optical switches are more expensive, I don't regret going back to standard switches.

I have a Matias Tactile Pro (which uses Alps mechanical switches) and a Matias Quiet Pro. I got the Matias quiet version because as much as I love typing on the Tactile Pro, my wife did not share my enthusiasm. It is LOUD and my study is upstairs, so late night typing or gaming sessions are impossible.

I am not sure what the Quiet Pro uses, but it's ok. Certainly not as good as the Tactile for typing, but at least it has the wife approval factor.

I am quite intrigued by these Keychron offerings because I would dearly love to simplify the wires in front of me. Has anybody transitioned from Matias to Keychron and would like to offer any thoughts?
I can't comment directly, but I did want to remark on two options available to you. If you're not already aware of them, there are keyboard silencers available for cheap. They're small rubber O-rings that are fairly easy to install, just pop off the keycap, slide the O-ring over and down the stem, then pop the keycap back on, and you're done. They're surprisingly effective (I used them to dampen the sound on a Cherry MX Blue-bearing board), but I didn't end up keeping them on for more than a few weeks. They alter the feel of the keys because the O-ring prevents a full key depress. I guess I end up bottoming out when I type, because it began to feel like I was typing on something weird, as if my keys were getting stuck. Some people like it for that reason, because in theory it's less fatiguing to reduce your key travel. I just couldn't get into it.

Alternately, Keychron does offer a hot-swappable option so that you could change your switches, yourself, even beyond what they offer. This is an easy process, and replacement switches are pretty cheap - I replaced the Gateron Browns my board came with for Gateron Clears, and the switches cost me $18 (not including shipping). Way cheaper than a new keyboard! But the reason I bring it up is because there are special "silent" switches. I haven't used them, but from what I've read, they have an O-ring integrated somewhere within the switch. This reportedly also impacts the feel of the switch in some form, and I'm not sure how quiet they really are, but it sounds promising.

Lastly, on an unrelated note, I recently replaced my office keyboard with a Hexgears Impulse. It's also a hot-swappable keyboard, and has some insane RGB lighting, which is really amplified by "pudding"-style keycaps (black with glyphs on top, but the rest of the key is a semi-translucent white, which has a flan-like, "pudding cake" appearance that RGB lighting can color). I figured that these days I'm working in my office at my computer more than I used to, and times are stressful, so might as well brighten up my day, right? And I have to say, it is one of the most beautiful keyboards I have used. The depth of the colors of the lighting seems somehow deeper than the lighting on my Keychron, too. Their stuff is hard to find, but it makes me want to procure one of their other keyboards, the Gemini Dusk (or possibly Gemini Dawn, but black keyboards seem like they'd make colors appear more strongly), and try to Mac-ify it. In many ways, it makes me appreciate Keychron all the more, for offering native Mac functionality and keycaps right out of the box. Now, hopefully Keychron will offer optional pudding-style keycaps next, and maybe introduce some similar keyboards but with the side LED lighting, too - those options would probably make me upgrade.
 
Thanks for response. The keychron keyboards look super beefy from the side profile. Does that effect the typing experience in any way? Seems like the keys are quite high away from the desk, if you catch my meaning.
 
Thanks for response. The keychron keyboards look super beefy from the side profile. Does that effect the typing experience in any way? Seems like the keys are quite high away from the desk, if you catch my meaning.
It sort of does, but it doesn't impact me. I have my hands "floating" above the keyboard much of the time, resting my forearms on my hips (which is just due to the positioning of my desk - keyboard is on a low slide-out try that is around the level of my pelvis). If I try to rest my wrist on the slide-out tray the keys feel a bit too high to reach comfortably, and I can't reach the keys at the back. By comparison, on my keyboard at work (Hexgears Impulse, which has keys that sit much closer to the desk) I find that I rest my left wrist on the desk much of the time while typing. Not sure why I don't rest the right... but in that setup the keyboard is on a desk that is a bit higher up, without a slide-out tray (probably around the level of my umbilicus, or possibly the upper stomach).

I've read mixed things about this. Some have suggested just getting a higher wrist rest; others suggest that forcing your hands to be in a floating position is actually healthier and will lead to less repetitive stress injury from typing. All I can say is that, for my desk setup and typing style, it's a non-issue and still very comfortable - I have typed for hours on it and not felt fatigued or sore.
 
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Does anyone here use a clicky switch mech keyboard for Creative Cloud? By that, I mean 99% of use is for modifier keys and keyboard shortcut combinations, not for typing chunks of text.

I'm getting the itch for a clicky keyboard, but am worried whether it would be un/suitable (fatigue?) for the way Creative Cloud users work.

Thinking of Greetech Blue (which I loved when I briefly had a Das Keyboard 4), Cherry Blue if I had to.
 
A second 'me too' for the desk mat :)

And a resounding yes to hotswap switches. I went a bit mad for keyboards this year... I have a Drop Alt, Ergodox EZ and Preonic. I also now have a container full of different switches and keycaps.

What i have come to know is that i like Ortholinear keyboards (a lot), tactile ('brown') switches, and that I would be very unlikely to buy a keyboard that doesn't support QMK in future. I very much like high profile sculpted keys too (SA profile, if you are interested). I'm not a fan of expensive keycaps, people seem to spend crazy amounts, just to have pretty colours (each to their own though, the aesthetic doesn't really matter to me, but if it does to others, that is fair enough).

QMK: The ability to make the keys do exactly what you want them to do is pretty cool once you get used to it, some examples:
I can hold down j or f and they act as shift keys,
I double tap y to turn caps lock on/off - I had never liked caps lock before, but set like this it is quite nice
If I hold my spacebar down it acts like control for useful keys
I have a bunch of keys that send odd key combinations, Karabiner, autohotkey or autokey (mac, win, linux), trigger macros / events from these. My media keys control a sonos system rather than a media player on my computer is one example.
Some simple combinations output text I regularly use ('| grep -i' for example)
Then there is customising lighting, which can be quite useful
Just learning to do more with fewer keys, which is a mental strain as you get used to it - initially I found it to be tiring getting used to how my keyboards are configured, over-coming literally decades of muscle memory, but once familiar it becomes fairly clear how inefficient 'normal' keyboards and keyboard layouts are (the biggest key is normally the space bar, and it's really useful, but having it only do one thing is a massive waste of space).

Hotswap: beyond just liking that I can fairly easily try different types of switch, I like having different switches for different areas of my keyboard: my escape key is a fair heavier switch than the rest of the board, arrow cluster is a lot lighter, modifiers feel different to letters.
I had a fairly cheap hotswap non-qmk board previously, and the keys I don't like (caps lock, scroll lock, insert), had heavy clicky switches, I really knew if I hit one by accident!

Ortholinear keyboards are grid layout (or offset columns rather than offset rows), which again take a fair bit of time to get used to. Personally I find them a lot nicer to type on. I would definitely say that whilst I much prefer this type of keyboard, it is the one area of the three (hotswap, qmk, ortho), that I would not say is necessarily a universal positive. My partner just can't type on an ortho keyboard, no matter how much she practices, and she detests them.
I am still a faster typist on a 'normal' keyboard, but I am a 'better' typist on an ortho and it feels nicer as a layout, to me. I think it will be at least another six months before my typing speed matches, but I tend to have better habits on this layout and I think I will end up being both faster and better. (not that I am a slow enough typist that it is actually a problem anyway).

So yeah, hotswap switches and qmk, lovely things to have on a keyboard. I'd generally look for them in that order on a keyboard. Ortho, worth trying if you can either get a cheap one, or borrow one for six months, it is frustrating at first, and may not suit many (or even most) people. And trying different profiles of keycap to find a type that suits you. Aliexpress can make a lot of experimentation, well, not cheap, but not hugely expensive either.
 
I just found this thread. I'm a huge mechanical keyboard lover. I prefer Cherry MX Brown with silencer rings (2x) added. I currently use my Durgod Taurus K320 (Cherry Brown) with the Alt key remapped to the Command key (and Windows Key mapped to Option).

I initially tried a Corsair K70 with MX Speed but I found I couldn't accurately type my passwords in without messing up.

My wife has a Keychron K1 with the low profile switches. My wife found the bluetooth to be unreliable and it went to sleep way too often so she uses it connected to the MacBook with a USB C cable and that solved all her problems.

I am really looking for something a little more low profile because I like to use my Logitech K811. I spent the last 3-4 years typing on a K810. :p

I really want a keyboard without the arrow keys or home/end/etc. I also prefer low profile keys (like the Corsair K70).

Awesome thread - thanks!
 
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My wife has a Keychron K1 with the low profile switches. My wife found the bluetooth to be unreliable and it went to sleep way too often so she uses it connected to the MacBook with a USB C cable and that solved all her problems.
You can turn off the auto sleep function of the Keychron keyboards. See this quickstart guide. That may not help other Bluetooth connectivity issues, but the auto sleep issue can be corrected.
 
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I've been using the Durgod Hades for about a month now and I really like it. I was using a SteelSeries TKL 7 for a while and decided I wanted something with an even smaller profile. Tried the Keychron K2 but the keys had a weird sound that just got on my nerves so I returned it. The Hades though is damn near perfect for me. The double shot PBT keys feel great. I have had to get used to not having a dedicated End key. I'm a developer and I miss that more than I thought I would, but I've gotten used to using the FN + ' combo so not that much of a complaint.

Went with the Gateron Reds. I prefer Reds as I love the smoothness of keystroke. I also like Browns, but decided I'd rather not have the tactile bump. Reds and Browns are pretty much the only switches I would consider.

So....recommend Durgod Hades if you are looking for a 65% layout mechanical keyboard. A little pricey but the build quality is top notch.

https://www.amazon.com/Durgod-Hades-68-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B085622L12?ref_=ast_sto_dp
 
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