Messages lost forever?

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  1. southern1986 macrumors newbie

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    Good Morning,

    I have a real quick question. I deleted a message thread on my phone about 10 months ago. My fear is that it is permanently deleted. Since then, my phone has backed up to iCloud several times. I have no iTunes backups when I go into iTunes and look under preferences and then devices. My latest iCloud backup was yesterday. On top of all of that, I switched phone carriers and have a brand new iPhone. Again, this was a while ago when these were deleted from my Apple ID. Are they stored somewhere else? Or gone forever? Thanks in advance.
     
  2. scaredpoet macrumors 604

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    Sorry to say that without a local backup with those messages, they might be gone forever.

    If you're signed in to iCloud on a mac or other device (iPad?), the messages MIGHT still be there.

    Otherwise, your only recourse would be to contact Apple and see if there's something they can do, but I doubt they'll be able to do much, specially now that privacy has been much more of a focus and Apple as a result has been a lot more hands-off about delving into people's data.
     
  3. southern1986 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    When you say signed into iCloud on a Mac, what do you mean? I can go to iCloud.com but where would they be stored there?
     
  4. stcasey macrumors newbie

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    Signed into iCloud, as in under the iCloud settings. On a Mac: Settings>iCloud. If you are signed in with the Same Apple ID (same email address as on the iPhone), then you can search 'Messages' and see if you get a hit on the message(s) that you are trying to find. Also, the OS on the Mac has to be a recent version that supports iCloud and iMessage would also need to be turned on in the Mac. Messages>Preferences>Accounts (once again, with the same Apple ID that is being used on the iPhone).
     
  5. southern1986 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    In this case, they were not iMessages. This particular thread was SMS. I have never seen an option for messages in iCloud on the MacBook.
     
  6. techspin macrumors 6502a

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    I'm afraid you're out of luck if you have no archived backups AND a new phone. If you're looking for timestamps for when the messages were sent, you may try contacting your previous carrier.
     
  7. southern1986 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    So you don't think there would be any files on the Mac or any previous iCloud back ups that contain the message thread?
     
  8. ZEEN0j macrumors 6502a

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    Try searching in spotlight if you know what you're looking for. I know people having issues with messages that have been deleted still being there. Might be worth a shot. Only other option since you don't have a local backup is if you use iMessage on a mac or ipad and also enabled sms. Then the messages will be on those devices even if you delete them from your iphone.
     
  9. southern1986 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I have never used iMessage on the Mac or iPad. I've never sent messages from any other device besides my phone, which I turned in for a newer iPhone with a different carrier.
     
  10. techspin macrumors 6502a

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    You can try data recovery software on your mac.
     
  11. southern1986 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    In your honest opinion, do you think that it would still be a long shot based on the information provided in previous posts?
     
  12. lagwagon Suspended

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    Highly doubtful you can get it back. You said it was 10 months ago. That's a long time to wait to try and get it back. Newer backups probably would have just overwritten it a long long time ago and forever gone.

    For the future, turn on the texting on your Mac in iMessage (since Yosemite and iOS 8 there is a thing called Continuity that allows normal texts and phone called to be made from your phone off the Mac or even iPad.) So that if you do ever delete a conversation on your phone you could still at least have it on your computer.
     
  13. southern1986 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Lagwagon, I was thinking the same thing. 10 months is awful long time ago. I know my older iPhone did at least 50 backups since then and now I'm operating on a new iPhone 6 with a different carrier. As mentioned, my iTunes account on my MacBook has absolutely no backups listed under devices. I have never texted from the MacBook or iPad in my life.
     
  14. techspin macrumors 6502a

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    Probably unlikely. If you're desperate you can try a service like DriveSavers, especially if you have your old phone.
     
  15. southern1986 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I don't have my old phone anymore. With a brand new phone wouldn't I have a completely clean hard drive? There wouldn't be anything to pull off the new hard drive right?
     

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