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Methodist University Hospital Confirms Steve Jobs Liver Transplant
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Exactly. Apple is not just about secrecy. It is about control.
They knew it would eventually get out.
So a story comes out over the weekend about the transplant and then Steve releases a press release on Monday saying Apple sold a million 3GS over the weekend. Tying what could be potentially stock-dropping news to a fantastic product roll-out is pure mastery.
No way this wasn't planned.
Face it. Steve Jobs. For all intent and purpose is a rock star. He was made that way by US. Yes. US. It is the Mac fanatic and sites like MR that has made him this way so get over it.
I'm glad his prognosis is excellent. Officially.
In fairness, it's Jobs' story to control. Anyway, glad it went well and welcome back.
I'm glad to hear he is okay, but I am disappointed with the way Jobs and Apple handled this situation. I would be willing to bet the SEC will be investigating Apple, because they have basically lied to investors about Jobs health. Normally a CEO's health is not the publics business (I don't care) but for Apple investors it is important, for some reason. Don't lie to your investors Apple.
Get Well Soon Steve!
Get Well Soon Steve!
I'm very happy he is ok and fine. I think he has done a great job changing the world with technology and has earned a place in the public mind of humanity.
However, the SEC (rightfully) is going to flip a poo over this:
However, the SEC (rightfully) is going to flip a poo over this:
Also, Steve Jobs is lucky enough that he can afford this in the first place. For normal Americans (with insurance), this would cause them to declare bankruptcy (since their POS insurance isn't going to cover it). Actually, health care costs are one of the top reasons Americans declare bankruptcy.The only advantage Jobs had with regards to his transplant was he didn't have to sell his home, car, etc to pay for his transplant. I have an aunt that's about to be placed on the liver transplant list, and her doctors have already warned her that the transplant itself will cost between $500,000-$1,000,000 and her post-transplant prescriptions will total $35,000 per year for the foreseeable future.
To top it off, she has insurance yet it's practically worthless. Surprisingly, most "normal people" insurance doesn't cover transplants.
Viva la universal healthcare
Actually, whoever leaked the information to the Wall Street Journal violated HIPAA. Considering how easy it is for hospitals to figure out who accessed a patient's confidential records, their ass is going to be fired.
This is a very interesting point that I hadn't thought of. What better day to have this break than the day he is back to work. Wouldn't want it to come to light in a few months and bring the 'dark clouds' back to the stock. The more I think about it, the more I suspect you are right.
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It is impossible for Mr. Jobs to buy his way in, the law and list do not work that way. Money does allow people to move around and put themselves into a position to be available at the right place. UNOS is truly patient blind. As to why, he had metastatic disease, which is common with VIPoma's. Remember what the articles stated- he has 38% chance to live five years. This bought him some quality time. He will use it well, I am sure.
It is impossible for Mr. Jobs to buy his way in, the law and list do not work that way. Money does allow people to move around and put themselves into a position to be available at the right place. UNOS is truly patient blind. As to why, he had metastatic disease, which is common with VIPoma's. Remember what the articles stated- he has 38% chance to live five years. This bought him some quality time. He will use it well, I am sure.
and???
Other than from the very personal point of view, I don't see what all the hype is about or big deal unless you worship SJ like he is the Sun God.
Seriously folks, TENS of thousands of people have liver transplants, major Cancer surgery, heart operation, <enter one of a thousand operations> a year.
Yes, I most definitely wish SJ a speedy and very successful recovery.
No, I am not going to lose sleep or worship lettuce heads praying 59 minutes every hour every day that SJ recovers.
CEOs all over the world deal with major surgery every now and then..especially CEOs over 50 years of age.
Again, I wish you well, SJ!
As for the rest of you...stop reading into this stuff like he is the Messiah.
Other than from the very personal point of view, I don't see what all the hype is about or big deal unless you worship SJ like he is the Sun God.
Seriously folks, TENS of thousands of people have liver transplants, major Cancer surgery, heart operation, <enter one of a thousand operations> a year.
Yes, I most definitely wish SJ a speedy and very successful recovery.
No, I am not going to lose sleep or worship lettuce heads praying 59 minutes every hour every day that SJ recovers.
CEOs all over the world deal with major surgery every now and then..especially CEOs over 50 years of age.
Again, I wish you well, SJ!
As for the rest of you...stop reading into this stuff like he is the Messiah.
It is a little amazing at how quick celebrities can get liver transplants vs. the average person (Phil Lesh, David Crosby). The UNOS system is supposed to be unbiased and for the most part it is. You can play the system a little bit by keeping a patient in the ICU when they don't really need to be there, but with their rating system for severity, a celebrity can't (theoretically) get preferred treatment. Maybe Steve has a less common blood type (like Rh negative), and therefore, would be higher up on that list. One thing is certain, he did not have a "hormone imbalance" - he had metastases to the liver. Probably that dicking around with herbs and stuff for 6 months allowed it to spread - lesson learned. He should do well as long as he stays on his meds and live a long life.
Good luck, Unca Steve! Glad you're back.
Cubert
Good luck, Unca Steve! Glad you're back.
Cubert
Actually, no. It's not lucky.
Paris Hilton being able to afford it ... she's lucky.
Starting out as an orphan with nothing but knowledge and an idea and then building a company that becomes a dominant player in consumer electronics ...
that's work.
The WSJ cannot violate HIPAA because it is not a covered entity. HIPAA only prevents certain medical providers, health care insurers, employer health plans, and the like) from revealing information regarding health status, payment of health care, and health care.
Now, the person that told the WSJ, depending on who they were, could have violated HIPAA, but the WSJ is bound by HIPAA.
Mickey Mantle got a new liver. I don't care if Jobs showed up at the hospital with $5m in cash in a suitcase and the still-warm corpse of a 20-year-old kid, nothing's ever going to top that one.
I don't think people are saying "who cares?" to Jobs, but to the fact that this is such a story in the media. IMHO, all this media attention on Steve's health is an invasion of privacy, and I feel sorry for him. Obviously, Steve doesn't want his health issues being discussed in the media, yet the media is constantly digging, trying to get a story. They don't care about his health, they just want to be the first to break the news. Leave the guy alone, it's nobody's damn business but his own.
ummm...Shake and Bake never let's facts get in the way of a good sounding conspiracy statement pulled out his nether regions.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, There has been a lot of speculation surrounding the closeness in time between when the iPhone3gS was announced and the announcement that Steve Jobs "got a new liver and is doing quite well, thank you."
It seems now that in addition to all the other amazing things the new iPhone 3gS is capable of doing, it also can raise a dying CEO off of his death bed. Let's see MicroSoft add that claim to it's Zune phone!
Where is the evidence that he took herbs, let alone evidence that allowed it spread? Even chemotherapy isn't magic.
If you're an Apple user (and using this forum, I would assume that would be so) you can damn well say he is the messiah. Apple would not be in the shape it's in if Jobs had not returned. So if you want to thank one person for literally bringing Apple back from the dead and giving you the iMac, iPod, iPhone, iTunes etc. Jobs is the man.
If you want to see what Apple was like before he came back, jump back in time to 97 and watch Gil Amelio burning it to the ground.
Without Jobs you would be using a beige box, carrying a CD player still and have a 0.5% market share.
Technically he wasn't the CEO at the time of the operation, Tim Cook was. Since Jobs was on a medical leave, Apple didn't have to disclose anything.
I don't see how you can say people are reading into this stuff like he is the Messiah.
Stop reading into this stuff like you are the Messiah.
You can't expect people to not be interested or concerned for the health and well-being of the CEO of a company they have an interest in, stock in, or just a general nerdy infatuation with its products.
Stop making this some kind of debate. This is America, its newsworthy when Paris Hilton doesn't wear underwear, get over it or do something about it, but posting on a Mac forum isn't going to accomplish either.
1, 3, & 5 Year Survival for Liver Transplant for NE Tumors
Rather than engaging in speculation, here's some survival numbers from a recent review article on this subject. The reference is also noted below:
Table. Liver transplantation results for neuroendocrine (NE) tumours.
(Source Hoti and Adams. Transplant Intl 2008; 21(12):11071117)
Author Yr (Number) 1yr 3yr 5yr Survival(%)
Alessiani 1995(14) 64 64 64
Routley 1995(11) 82 57 28
Le Treut 1997(31) 58 47 36
Lang 1997(12) 82 82 82
Olausson 2002(9) 89
Rosenau 2002(19) 89 80
Florman 2004(11) 73 36
ELTR Report (Other NE tumours)
2007 (120 ) 81 65 53
ELTR Report(Carcinoid) 2007(159) 88 52
Le Treut 2007(85) 68
Rather than engaging in speculation, here's some survival numbers from a recent review article on this subject. The reference is also noted below:
Table. Liver transplantation results for neuroendocrine (NE) tumours.
(Source Hoti and Adams. Transplant Intl 2008; 21(12):11071117)
Author Yr (Number) 1yr 3yr 5yr Survival(%)
Alessiani 1995(14) 64 64 64
Routley 1995(11) 82 57 28
Le Treut 1997(31) 58 47 36
Lang 1997(12) 82 82 82
Olausson 2002(9) 89
Rosenau 2002(19) 89 80
Florman 2004(11) 73 36
ELTR Report (Other NE tumours)
2007 (120 ) 81 65 53
ELTR Report(Carcinoid) 2007(159) 88 52
Le Treut 2007(85) 68
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