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Micron's LPDDR4 RAM May Improve Battery Life in Apple's 2014 Products
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LPDDR4 is RAM. Android devices also use RAM. Samsung is actually an industry leader in RAM. They are already producing LPDDR4. They are probably not giving it to Apple though.
MiniSD is used in addition to NAND flash memory. Android devices use NAND flash memory (just like iDevices) and then some of them (Samsung in particular) allow the use of flash memory cards.
So, same power requirement, but with faster throughput.
Battery won't get smaller in this case, unless they throttle things. It just won't need to get bigger.
Isn't that just PR speak? They love to tell us how the new product is better by comparing it to the old one in relative terms. That doesn't mean 2x the speed is the recommended or optimal point for operation. You could presumably be faster and use less power by putting it somewhere in the middle.
Best? Maybe. Easiest? Certainly. Designing hardware and software to be more efficient is the elegant solution. Apple could increase the capacity of their iPhone batteries but there's something to be said for trying to do more with the same or less.
To use a car analogy, sometimes it's better to make a car more fuel efficient rather than just sticking in a larger gas tank.
Ah, thought it was a Flash memory.
Although the SD uses NAND, isn't the SD interface a bottleneck versus reading the built in NAND? What is the impact status in performance?
This sounds intelligent and since I have absolutely no way of DISPROVING any of this with my current brain, I'll just have to nod with a blank stare and pretend I understood.
My reaction to the that post as well
Thank you for simplifying
I guess my question really boils down to this: "I will get "x" more juice from my battery due to this switch."
For the user whose phone can last 12 hours before needing a charge:
1 minute?
1 hour?
1 day?
Thank you for simplifying
I guess my question really boils down to this: "I will get "x" more juice from my battery due to this switch."
For the user whose phone can last 12 hours before needing a charge:
1 minute?
1 hour?
1 day?
Minutes of savings. Sorry.
Will a thinner iPhone affect my camera?!?
Yes, but my one fear is that they'll make it more efficient and remove some of the battery and not let it last longer. My other fear is that they'll make it more efficient and thinner and it'll affect the camera. Just having more surface area to spread out the battery on an larger iPhone (and more a efficient display) could mess with the thickness and the camera too.
Gary
Yes, but my one fear is that they'll make it more efficient and remove some of the battery and not let it last longer. My other fear is that they'll make it more efficient and thinner and it'll affect the camera. Just having more surface area to spread out the battery on an larger iPhone (and more a efficient display) could mess with the thickness and the camera too.
Gary
Dammit Jenkins! Why didn't you just say this first?
The quote below caused me considerable head-achy type pain in my thought machine."Yes, it's a small part of the equation. Using the equation P = fCV, say you run at 2 GHz, each cell is about 10 pF capacitance (times 64 for a 64 bit interface), at 1.1V, you're around 1.32 W (that's a toggle on every data bit every cycle). This doesn't take into account static RAM power dissipation, but it's also worst case since data bit toggle rates won't be at 1 (ratio cycles the data bit toggles to total clock periods).
However, the key trade is faster RAM for a given power dissipation (or the same speed RAM for less power dissipation). Intense GPU demand also has intense RAM demands." - courtesy of chrmjenkins
Seriously though, great explanation both.
Really, improving that 1GB RAM should be a priority. Short term everything runs butter smooth, but on the long term (specially for tablets) it will be nasty. It should be "the next big thing" in hardware now that processors are getting desktop-like.
++ Surprised nobody pointed this out early.
Memory controllers are built into Intel CPUs, you can't just buy LPDDR4/DDR4 memories and put it in.
Broadwell's been delayed to '15 (unless Intel pulls a miracle), so there might be a chance Intel did this to enable support for DDR4 but if not, then we have to wait for Skylake in '16 for this LPDDR4/DDR4 support.
I doubt Apple will do this because the supply won't be enough in time to handle the millions of iOS devices that are going to be sold quickly.
I'd suspect LPDDR4 in A9 in '15 and Macs in '16 (unless Intel does a miracle again).
It's amazing how far they've come with things like MacBooks, though, which have amazing battery life now compared to just a few years ago.
iPads have pretty amazing battery life, too. If only iPhones could catch up. But I guess when you consider that iPhones are packing almost the same hardware (except the display) into a much smaller package, it's hardly surprising.
How about this crazy idea: how about we gain battery life because Apple takes a step back from its obsession on making everything thinner? How about I can buy a phone that is 9 mm thick instead of seven and has twice the battery life? How about that?
While this was originally the rumor, this is looking a lot less true than it did 6 months ago.
My thoughts exactly. This has always been an issue with the iPhone and it has been bothersome that they haven't just stuck in a bigger battery which would be great. They've improve the MBA, MBP, iPad Air and iPad mini.... it's time for the iPhone to get a major boost.
Official roadmaps, etc. confirm only Skylake, but not Broadwell, will see DDR4 support. It's not a rumor. Intel is limiting DDR4 support to enthusiast and server (socket 2011), where people are willing to cough up the $$$. The Mac Pro may be able to offer DDR4 support at the very end of the year, but no notebook processors, etc. will have built in support until next year at the earliest. Again, the DDR4 supply is simply not there, regardless. They won't have enough availability to put it in phones and tablets to the tune of 10's of millions of products per quarter....
I understand that. But my fear is IF Apple thinks they are at their sweet spot with the number of hours that the battery lasts, instead of letting it last longer (in your scenario) they'll remove some battery to make it thinner/lighter. Then IF they do that (both the hypotheticals) the thinner phone will impact the lens that make up the camera.
I'd rather they leave the battery to last longer (or even add some battery to make it thicker and give me an even better camera lens!).
Gary