This could be a game changer! Being able to port over objective-c sounds legit for devs and users.
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Microsoft Announces Cross-Platform Add-Ins for Office Apps, Plans to Bring iOS Apps to Windows 10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oi1B9fjVs4
Video showing continuum for phones, again imo the best thing announced today.
Video showing continuum for phones, again imo the best thing announced today.
For this just to be a "recompile in Visual Studio" deal, they'd need to provide a complete suite of iOS APIs, libraries/frameworks and hardware abstraction.
I very much doubt they've done that; mostly because they haven't even done it for their OWN platforms yet. Hell, even .NET Core is mono-based currently, and porting that to Linux and OS X is a fraction of the work needed to provide substitute libraries (or translation) for the entire of iOS.
Yes, you can build a Windows 10 Universal application now, but it's not like you can just take an existing Windows 8.x app and recompile that and have it magically operate properly under Windows 10 as a universal app.
Can't imagine this being more than being able to re-use objective-C code that doesn't use the platform's native libraries etc.
I very much doubt they've done that; mostly because they haven't even done it for their OWN platforms yet. Hell, even .NET Core is mono-based currently, and porting that to Linux and OS X is a fraction of the work needed to provide substitute libraries (or translation) for the entire of iOS.
Yes, you can build a Windows 10 Universal application now, but it's not like you can just take an existing Windows 8.x app and recompile that and have it magically operate properly under Windows 10 as a universal app.
Can't imagine this being more than being able to re-use objective-C code that doesn't use the platform's native libraries etc.
How funny would it be to go back to the end of last century and promise that there'd come a point when Microsoft would make it possible to port Mac apps over to Windows?#paralleluniverse
The 90's were a cool time...
though, we did have Y2k to panic over. Imagine if today's social networking was able to get behind the Y2k scare.
it was bad enough as it was back then
Probably worth mentioning that .NET 2015 Core Preview for Mac OSX and Linux is available for download. This extends .NET development to those platforms. Pretty big deal in my opinion if not the biggest Apple related announcement if you are a developer, in conjunction with VS Code.
If they would only spend as much time fixing the winmail.dat problem...
Oh, that's right, it's not THEIR problem that they don't follow the standard that everyone else follows, and IS the standard...
Oh, that's right, it's not THEIR problem that they don't follow the standard that everyone else follows, and IS the standard...
Sorry, I meant how will Windows 10 users be able to purchase and download iOS apps. I was reading the article wrong. I thought Windows 10 was supposed to support running actually iOS apps from the App Store, but now I get it...
No problem, its likely going to be a common misunderstanding from today's announcement.
its a good option for developers of iOS app's. with almost zero effort or costs, they can now add another platform to their distribution.
While Windows Phone might be a very tiny market, Windows itself is gigantic. if Win10 will be universal to platforms, that opens up your App to billions of potential users.
Thats where the greater benefit of this lies, sure windows phone's install base is tiny in comparison to the other mobile os's but being able to have farmiliar apps on your pc or windows tablet should you have one is a win for microsoft in the short term and win for consumers who just want their apps available regardless of the device they are using. Then pairing this with the cotinuum for phones, its even greater.
This is not a good place to be. If Microsoft's grand plan is to essentially only support other companies' products, they will slowly descend into Enterprise only a la IBM. Obviously that's not a horrible business, but they won't stay their current size or relevance.
I like Windows 10 a lot. W8.1 works perfectly on my Windows-only 2012 mini while W10 is excellent in a Boot Camp partition on my 2012 MBP.
If Windows 10 had a Time Machine quality full backup (instead of the crappy File Backup) and if the looking-really-great-so-far Photos and Music apps get finished with the right capabilities I would give up Mac for most of what I do.
Oh, and there needs to be a CCC quality cloner. There maybe one already and I just haven't looked for it yet.
As for Microsoft's browser no thanks. Neither IE, the new beta nor Safari can hold a candle to Firefox. Photoshop, Office and Firefox, my cross-platform world is a great place to be.
I think that microsofts approach with this is like that of a parasite sitting in the host and slowly taking over it. (Don't know why i thought things up using that analogy but hey). It seems that software and the cloud will be where everything will be moved as soon as overall internet speeds and security increases. So pushing windows and all things Microsoft ultimately as a service where thus way they will have users and revenue regardless of platform or device is in the long run a good thing i suppose.
I don't think it will hurt Apples feelings much. They worked hard to innovate that strap on device that maybe 3% of Apple customers will buy.
They have more money than most of the world anyways.
MS is blurring the lines... I can't see
The thought of iOS on Windows turns me cold..
I guess the take away here is the word "quickly" meaning "not native code"
As a programmer, u would very well know only native code performs best.
Look at .NET.... u can use visual basic OR .NET, but u cannot mix...
This sounds more like converting Visual basic code to .NET "under the hood" and it will only cause more problems than it will solve.
The thought of iOS on Windows turns me cold..
I guess the take away here is the word "quickly" meaning "not native code"
As a programmer, u would very well know only native code performs best.
Look at .NET.... u can use visual basic OR .NET, but u cannot mix...
This sounds more like converting Visual basic code to .NET "under the hood" and it will only cause more problems than it will solve.
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You could buy a phone from virgin mobile or something and then pay for it every month with giftcards from the store if you really wanted to. I agree though, I avoid subscriptions for the above mentioned things. Maybe if my preference in music change every 15 minutes, then I would get spotify or something. However, I have a library of music that rarely changes since I have found my favorite artists and albums.
Yeah but its OK for apple to have 200 billion in the bank? I think MS is doing the right thing and trying to capture as many customers as people. Very smart and MS is on the road back to the top. After all MS is a software company.
Make your own! Unfortunately, many of the original websites containing a build log and additional info are no longer up so they only exist as a brief article on hackaday.
http://hackaday.com/2012/04/16/the-messagepad-a-thoroughly-hacked-macbook-turned-tablet/
http://hackaday.com/2010/10/01/mac-tablet-keeps-the-look-of-the-donor-macbook/#more-28771
I'm no Microsoft fan but honestly this new CEO is doing some good stuff and understanding that the CUSTOMER is important and not trying to bring down the opposing company and hurting the consumer as Steve Ballmer was doing. Overall everybody can win and choose the platform of their preference and not be forced.
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I think Apple is far ahead of MS in terms of innovation and product releases. MS is still far in the hole and playing catchup. They are definitely a step in the right direction however but they are no threat to Apple whatsoever.
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I think Apple is far ahead of MS in terms of innovation and product releases. MS is still far in the hole and playing catchup. They are definitely a step in the right direction however but they are no threat to Apple whatsoever.
You know what they say: being behind drives innovation, and Microsoft has certainly been behind for a while. All this stuff looks pretty awesome. I can't wait to be doing C# in OS X.
I really wish Apple would get their **** together and open source Swift already.
I really wish Apple would get their **** together and open source Swift already.
This is insane, I've been predicting this for years. Eventually everything will be replaced by the phone, even your desktop. Even tablets eventually when we get foldable screens. This is true innovation IMO.
Its always been hardware limited, and now we are getting to the point where they can take the first steps toward that vision.
Technically a next gen Intel atom + 4gb ram + 128gb storage should be more than enough to boot full on win32 desktop environment when you dock... basically scale down what the Surface Pro 3 is to a phone form factor.
Microsoft have the software ready, they just need the hardware to catch up.