True, but I'd wait to see what actual consumers say. I've used Intuos and Cintiq products in the past and I've never used a digitizer device that came close to them, except maybe the Apple pen/pencil and that still fell short. The 2011 or 2012, I forget, Wacom Bamboo wrote and felt better to use than digitizer enabled Surfaces. And that was a cheap sub $100 product then.
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Microsoft Announces Surface Book i7, Desktop PC 'Surface Studio,' and Windows 10 Creators Update
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Again...I agree, $4,200 is alot of money to spend on AiO PC, but if you are a professional artist/designer -which this device is catering to-, then you would know the Surface Studio's price is a bargain when you look at the available alternatives.
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also, Yes! seeing the GTX 980M in this machine is a bit disappointing; however, I don't understand why Apple-fanboyz are complaining of the GTX 980m, you guys already used to getting last year specs!
Its really more of a designers than videographers or 3d/gaming. Surface studio with i7 will be an excellent photoshop or zbrush machine. Certainly Studio would be adequate for HD ediitng. I felt the lack of ssd is the biggest problem: at this price point--i would have preferred a 256 ssd to none at all.
I am see early reviews and it looks like the Studio pen performs like the surface 4 pen. Skepticism is warranted, this is a massive scale up of the ntrig grid
To me, the different pens present different issues. I like the cintique pens-- there are parallax issues--they don't bother me, really. I liked the surface 4 pen. I find the parallax and latency very acceptable (except ps) and I like the pressure curve. (Sorry youtubers, dragging a pen across a sheet of paper with no pressure does not result in a uniform thin line). Apple pen is a smidge better, but i don't like the tip (too hard). Not a Bamboo fan, and found all pre pencil ipad pens problematic.
The question in my mind is whether one is more productive with a giant drawing canvas or a
more manageable 13-16" digital tablet. The studio looks amazing, but does it feel amazing
or overwhelming
Apple has often come out with the better more innovative product later than other companies once they've refined the technology. Apple watch. Apple TV. iPad.
But now MS is the innovative company. It's launching a new category of products with this computer.
Good news is I won't be upgrading to this computer. Phew! It only has USB 3.0, so that won't work with my externals. I need 3.1. But when MS comes out with the next revision, and Apple is twiddling their thumbs, I'm gone! The only thing holding me here is iMessage and iPhotos. Just my two cents.
But now MS is the innovative company. It's launching a new category of products with this computer.
Good news is I won't be upgrading to this computer. Phew! It only has USB 3.0, so that won't work with my externals. I need 3.1. But when MS comes out with the next revision, and Apple is twiddling their thumbs, I'm gone! The only thing holding me here is iMessage and iPhotos. Just my two cents.
usb 3.1 backward compatible to usb 3.0, but whatever. enjoy your real world performance gain
of 3-6 seconds a gigabyte. There is more of a case for usb 3.1 if you are hubbing. But there is video out on the surface studio so less of a hubbing issue unless you want to drive 2 external monitors, a possible but not likely scenario. Usb 3.1 issues hugely overstated--imo
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Everybody is complaining about the Studio price: rightfully so, but unlike iMac, this thing will be sold at heavy discounts.
Based on what? Neither SP 4 or Surface Book have been heavily discounted. I believe MS has dropped the SP4 4gb 256gb i5 $100 after being on the market for a year.
I picked up a SP 4 i5 for $550 at Best Buy maybe 6 months ago. Retail price was $999. Deals like that are almost impossible with Apple products. That said the new Mac Book Pro was discounted on Amazon from $500-800 off briefly, but I'm guessing that was an error with orders being cancelled.
Ah I see what the problem is, my fault in not being clear. I was talking about the STYLES of applications in the first post. Metro being the finger friendly chunky buttons/single window and classic mouse friendly and multiple pop ups.
"you are happily in the Metro side and get booted out to the Classic side."
Sorry was slang booting in the case meaning kicked out from a metro designed part of windows to the classic.. such as
windows settings\power and sleep ( metro ) > click on additional power settings...
"kicks you out of metro style" to
Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Power Options ( classic )
There is a lot of this - it's just inconsistent. But Microsoft has never been one for quick change... the Font management had not changed from windows NT till 7 despite being next to useless with zero managment and incredibly slow if you had more than 25 fonts. note the font menu is still in Classic style
I don't consider metro ( sorry universal now ) apps. mail, calendar, maps, app store failing to open at all without an error message or log with no recovery method other than a new user account and copying across all you data a small gripe. This is a much discussed bug on forums.
Nor The start button / search stopping working for no reason.
I was excited about the MS Surface Studio (MSSS?) but once I started to dig into the specs, I think it's not for me. I like the interface innovation, but the I/O and the hybrid drive are just not pro level enough for me from an audio production standpoint. I look forward to follow up products in this format, however, and competition from Apple and other manufacturers.
Don't care how 'cool' the demo was. In the wild, Surfaces can be utter garbage devices:
http://www.surfaceforums.net/threads/freezing-black-screen-generally-a-pos.21653/
Microsoft just doesn't care about audio professionals. They still can't be bothered to fix the Windows audio subsystem to bring it to feature parity with macOS, much less the latency problems.
http://www.surfaceforums.net/threads/freezing-black-screen-generally-a-pos.21653/
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Microsoft just doesn't care about audio professionals. They still can't be bothered to fix the Windows audio subsystem to bring it to feature parity with macOS, much less the latency problems.
I'm actually really impressed with the hardware Microsoft is putting out these days. Sure they still have memory limitations, but they are making up for it with beautiful, interesting and innovative hardware.
I never thought I'd see the day when Microsoft were beating Apple at their own game. Honestly I think they are now, Apple are becoming dull and predictable by comparison. If it weren't for my need (and love) of macOS, I'd be seriously considering jumping ship.
I never thought I'd see the day when Microsoft were beating Apple at their own game. Honestly I think they are now, Apple are becoming dull and predictable by comparison. If it weren't for my need (and love) of macOS, I'd be seriously considering jumping ship.
Actually it's very widespread according to all the reviews during launch. Everyone was reporting BSOD, freezing, glitches. MS after 1 year still can't fix Paul Thurott's Surface Book.
Ah, right, the Skylake issue. Or are we talking about the graphics card thing that won't be on any Studio?
I'm not holding my breath that Studio will not have all the same freezing, BSOD issues of SP4/SB. It's Microsoft after all. They still do not know how to make a complete solution that 'just works'.
They don't? I have a Surface Pro 3 that doesn't BSoD, doesn't freeze, nd so forth. And the Skylake issues that plague Thurrott are ones that won't happen on a device that isn't put in a bag and doesn't rely on battery power.
So that it's a desktop is an excuse for Microsoft to not fix the battery and freezing issues of Surface Pro/Surface Book?
They've fixed the problems for a lot of people. I'm just saying the Studio won't have them.