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I get it, but I don't get it

While everyone is having a party...it isn't like Ballmer is a supply chain expert that stalled innovation. Hmmm

I am in deep with Apple and I am worried about what is going on. It seems like the industry continues to move faster than Apple and iOS7 isn't going to pull Apple ahead.

I imagine this business is 1000% harder than what we think it is. One feature out of the blue would somewhat solve things. Adding a "one more thing" would drive Apple loyalists bonkers.
 
…..The guy was a total embarrassment.

He could be, sometimes….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

Ballmer consistently made the profits increase and MS is a much broader company than Apple (Server, Azure etc.)…..

That is a lot easier, if you have market dominance from the get-go.

Am I the only one thinking that he's being nudged out the door, pending finding a suitable replacement. Perhaps Microsoft's board finally just said, "this CEO needs to be replaced, if we're ever going to get out of this slump, and be a market leader with vision and a future, once again?"

Must have been a slow and agonizing decision by Gates and the board. Maybe that $900 Million Surface write-off was the last straw.
 
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About time. But I have to say why it takes 12 months to get him off.

Shouldn't they have new replacement before sacking him?

Oh well. Let's hope the new MS CEO do a better job 12 months later.

Hope it won't be too late by then....
 
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He was entertaining. I'll give him that. :D
 
funny to see that investors are happy to see Ballmer going, i wonder who's coming next, i hope the next CEO pays a bit extra attention to windows.
 
MS do make some great products, but they need to make a serious effort to streamline and reorganize themselves if they want to compete against Apple and Google on all fronts.

I spent the last 14 years as a Windows admin and what great products does Microsoft make? Sure wasn't Windows as OS/2 was a better OS (with botched marketing from IBM), NetWare was a better NOS, etc. Word took a long time to get better (Ami Pro was much better back in the day), etc.

Their products are overly complex, hard to manage and tend to suck you into their ecosystem with no way out.

It wasn't until I got involved in Linux (and OS X) that I realized how poor Microsoft's offerings were. And how cumbersome they are when they didn't need to be.

You could say Xbox is a great product but that's about it.

As for BallSack - good riddance. I just hope Microsoft can find someone to continue your record of running the company into the ground. Technology is past due for a changing of the guard.
 
funny to see that investors are happy to see Ballmer going, i wonder who's coming next, i hope the next CEO pays a bit extra attention to windows.

How about software in general? I'd like to see a Microsoft that makes great software again, like the early days of Office.

Software is the heart and origin of MicroSoft .... it's the one thing they know more about than anyone else. Start making great new software again, but make it available for all platforms.... Mac/Linux/iOS/Android not just Windows. Don't just make business programs. Start making games again, for all platforms. Make something that will give Google+ a run for its money. Retire Internet Explorer and create a new browser that people will actually prefer over Chrome or Safari.
 
He retires with a personal worth of over $15 billion. He's only 57. Nice long retirement ;)

I'm sure he's a smart guy and would have been successful on his own, though not that successful. He is one of the luckiest people around to have been associated with Bill Gates.

I wonder what was the straw that broke the camel's back though? He presided over so many failures, even in the past couple of years. I think the reorganization he planned was what sealed his fate.
 
Whoever comes next will have some big shoes to fill.

Everyone here who questions his competence knew very little about what Ballmer did.
 
The fact that Office exists on the Mac means nothing. They restrict the growth of Office because doing so provides a lock-in to Windows.

While I personally think there are lots of people who would like to get off Windows I've yet to see any evidence that "most people don't feel compelled to buy Windows ever again." Also, while I'd like to see their strangle-hold they have on users (thanks to assets such as Office), I think they're a long ways off from realising that. I think moves like making iWork for iCloud free to users (and perhaps iWork for OS X free) will absolutely be a step in that direction, but I think they've got awhile before that company is doomed (without changing anything about the direction they're headed).

As for Nintendo on iOS, Nintendo's assets like Mario are exactly like Office to Microsoft. While it would be great to get that on iOS, the moment it does spells potential doom for their hardware, and while that may sound like an easy change for a company, it's actually quite a huge change, one that many companies simply can't realise or survive. It's not merely a change of mind, but a complete change from top to bottom how a company operates. Not saying it won't happen -> Sega did it, so perhaps it will, I'd love to see it, but I don't own any Nintendo (consoles or handhelds) anymore but miss some of their titles.

Adapt or die, like I said MS has awhile before they will die (too much annuity revenue to be milked from existing assets without any changed), and I also don't think Office is as valuable an asset as you imply. Once iWork goes free, the value of Office immediately is reduced for 80-90% of Office purchases, because they simply don't need the extra functionality Office (with price tag) provides over free software available cross-platform. Office isn't without value, but it's future is not so bright and it's lock-in role to Windows is pretty much dissolving before our eyes.

Although I've met a few Windows fans, I believe most people don't choose to buy Windows.

Their purchase is based on PC hardware price; the hardware comes with Windows "for free". With the advent of tablets, phablets and smartphones, the (more popular, consumer) hardware doesn't come with Windows; it comes with iOS and Android. This can account for Microsoft's moves to unify their mobile and PC OSes, as well as for the decline in Windows "purchases".

Microsoft deluded themselves into thinking they had a superior product with Windows. They didn't. They forgot their smartest move was to not restrict the software to specific hardware (that is how they won the "Apple-Microsoft war"). Unfortunately, Google learned from "the war" and when the changing of the guard for popular computing device occured (with the advent of the iPhone and iPad), Google implemented Microsoft's old plan, to great success. Now Microsoft is trying to catch up, but I believe they never will.

If Google were to release a desktop version of Android (not that Chrome crap), and do the same moves they're doing in the mobile space, Windows would be relegated to the (slow-to-change and upgrade) Enterprise. People like what's familiar, and people are familiar with their smart phones. iOs and OSX are already integrated and continue to integrate (in a better way than Windows). Android is the one to watch, and it may become Windows'd death knell in the consumer space.
 
Although I've met a few Windows fans, I believe most people don't choose to buy Windows.

Their purchase is based on PC hardware price; the hardware comes with Windows "for free". With the advent of tablets, phablets and smartphones, the (more popular, consumer) hardware doesn't come with Windows; it comes with iOS and Android. This can account for Microsoft's moves to unify their mobile and PC OSes, as well as for the decline in Windows "purchases".

Microsoft deluded themselves into thinking they had a superior product with Windows. They didn't. They forgot their smartest move was to not restrict the software to specific hardware (that is how they won the "Apple-Microsoft war"). Unfortunately, Google learned from "the war" and when the changing of the guard for popular computing device occured (with the advent of the iPhone and iPad), Google implemented Microsoft's old plan, to great success. Now Microsoft is trying to catch up, but I believe they never will.

If Google were to release a desktop version of Android (not that Chrome crap), and do the same moves they're doing in the mobile space, Windows would be relegated to the (slow-to-change and upgrade) Enterprise. People like what's familiar, and people are familiar with their smart phones. iOs and OSX are already integrated and continue to integrate (in a better way than Windows). Android is the one to watch, and it may become Windows'd death knell in the consumer space.

Why do people keep throwing out the bad idea of Android on the desktop? I keep reading that, but nobody seems to get that it is a HORRIBLE idea.
 
Why do people keep throwing out the bad idea of Android on the desktop? I keep reading that, but nobody seems to get that it is a HORRIBLE idea.

Okay, why is it a horrible idea?

Enlighten us.

Android is Linux-based (from what i understand). Google could make a flavor of Linux optimized to interface with its Android devices, much the way Apple did in reverse. (iOS is OSX-based). Why is that so bad?
 
Okay, why is it a horrible idea?

Enlighten us.

Android is Linux-based (from what i understand). Google could make a flavor of Linux optimized to interface with its Android devices, much the way Apple did in reverse. (iOS is OSX-based). Why is that so bad?

Fine, I'll point out the flaw.

Let's look at Windows 8. What are people saying Windows 8's biggest flaw is? It's trying to shove mobile at the desktop, which is only partially true. A person could work their entire day with a mouse and keyboard rather well, but that is a topic for another day.

Android is all mobile all the time.

So we'd have to make an entirely new way of interacting with Android. Then we'd have to start remaking all of the applications on Android to work on a desktop paradigm. In the end, we'd basically have to remake Android to where it actually works with the desktop.

We'd have a product called Android that is nothing like Android.

It's why, to use your Apple analogy, Apple didn't put OS X on the iPhone. They took some parts of it, but overall it isn't the same.

Edit: Also, Android is more Java-based than anything /snark
 
That is a lot easier, if you have market dominance from the get-go.

Am I the only one thinking that he's being nudged out the door, pending finding a suitable replacement. Perhaps Microsoft's board finally just said, "this CEO needs to be replaced, if we're ever going to get out of this slump, and be a market leader with vision and a future, once again?"

Must have been a slow and agonizing decision by Gates and the board. Maybe that $900 Million Surface write-off was the last straw.

He is definitely being shown the door. Companies don't announce CEO retirements before having a successor identified unless the situation forces it. Normally investors hate the uncertainty. The personal dynamics in the boardroom must have been pretty strange, seeing as Steve's old buddy Bill is still the company's largest stockholder (I believe), and Ballmer is also a huge stockholder.
 
Fine, I'll point out the flaw.

Let's look at Windows 8. What are people saying Windows 8's biggest flaw is? It's trying to shove mobile at the desktop, which is only partially true. A person could work their entire day with a mouse and keyboard rather well, but that is a topic for another day.

Android is all mobile all the time.

So we'd have to make an entirely new way of interacting with Android. Then we'd have to start remaking all of the applications on Android to work on a desktop paradigm. In the end, we'd basically have to remake Android to where it actually works with the desktop.

We'd have a product called Android that is nothing like Android.

It's why, to use your Apple analogy, Apple didn't put OS X on the iPhone. They took some parts of it, but overall it isn't the same.

Edit: Also, Android is more Java-based than anything /snark

Okay, I knew you'd go the Windows 8 direction. Windows 8 doesn't suck because it attempts integration. It sucks because it attempts integration badly. And Windows (and their tactics) sucked as it is to begin with.:p

Now, when I referred to Android on the desktop, I was referring to a flavor of Linux that would maintain many design elements of Android, much like what Apple has done with the "iOSification" of OSX. It doesn't have to be called Android. It'd be a free desktop OS (well, what Linux already is) that has Google behind it, to control and implement the integration of the two OSes in a good way. Keep desktop control elements where necessary (keyboard and mouse), but implement many of the look, feel, and design elements from Android.

I'm not saying this would be better than the OSX/iOS combination (although, if done well, could be a SERIOUS threat). My point is, if Google did what I'm saying, and PC OEMs started shipping with a (free) Google flavor of Linux, I think Windows could die very quickly in the consumer space.

Microsoft needs to do what people have been mentioning to death here:
Platform-agnostic Office. Let go of hardware.
 
"Ballmer was named CEO in January 2000..."

Steve Jobs accomplished probably 500 times more in pretty much the same amount of time that Ballmer was CEO.

Ballmer blasting aside, this is Microsoft's chance to finally step in the right rhythm for once. It could be game changing if they hire the right person. But then again, Microsoft seems to always have some sort of cloud over their head...

iCloud?
 
The best thing for Microsoft would have been if they did just like the judge told them after the first monopoly trial: one company, operating system. Second company, software. Third company, hardware. Those three companies could have done very well. The Surface and the Xbox wouldn't be limited to MS software. You could buy Windows and not get Office, bot a competitors' suite. Microsoft is all about getting you to buy one thing if you buy another, including, at the time, over 90% of The computers in the world. Instead, Office would have real competitors, and MS updates wouldn't be about keeping an old monopoly together in the new tablet world that Jobs made.

You don't have to get Office... it doesn't even come with Windows. With the XBox, you are limited to whatever game publishers publish for the Xbox. With the PS 3 or 4 or whatever you are limited to whatever game publishers publish for that console. There is no monopoly here.
 
Whoever comes next will have some big shoes to fill.

Everyone here who questions his competence knew very little about what Ballmer did.

Bro the board ousted him themselves and the stock went up 8% that tells me plenty about his competence. He's screwed up on two oses, completely failed on the zune, RT, and some of his opinions that were made public were extremely short-sighted and just plain laughable. Face it, the only reason he even got the job was thanks to Bill Gates.
 
Okay, I knew you'd go the Windows 8 direction. Windows 8 doesn't suck because it attempts integration. It sucks because it attempts integration badly. And Windows (and their tactics) sucked as it is to begin with.:p

Now, when I referred to Android on the desktop, I was referring to a flavor of Linux that would maintain many design elements of Android, much like what Apple has done with the "iOSification" of OSX. It doesn't have to be called Android. It'd be a free desktop OS (well, what Linux already is) that has Google behind it, to control and implement the integration of the two OSes in a good way. Keep desktop control elements where necessary (keyboard and mouse), but implement many of the look, feel, and design elements from Android.

I'm not saying this would be better than the OSX/iOS combination (although, if done well, could be a SERIOUS threat). My point is, if Google did what I'm saying, and PC OEMs started shipping with a (free) Google flavor of Linux, I think Windows could die very quickly in the consumer space.

Microsoft needs to do what people have been mentioning to death here:
Platform-agnostic Office. Let go of hardware.

But the look and feel of Android is meant for mobile arena.

Bro the board ousted him themselves and the stock went up 8% that tells me plenty about his competence. He's screwed up on two oses, completely failed on the zune, RT, and some of his opinions that were made public were extremely short-sighted and just plain laughable. Face it, the only reason he even got the job was thanks to Bill Gates.

And the reality that you don't know anything about the stock market shines through brilliantly.
 
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