Microsoft Debuts New Copilot+ Windows PCs Designed Around AI

[NEPOBABY]

Really? 😏

Are you really asking if there are comprehensive cross platform benchmarks or taking the mick? Qualcomm and Microsoft use these benchmarks themselves but now that we are seeing results of Snapdragon losing badly to the M3 you’re going to pretend benchmarks don’t exist?

 

[NEPOBABY]

You're speaking for a minority and if you rely on computers to 'recall' for you then your brain will shrink even further.

****ing hell tech fanatics never fail to surprise or understand basic human biology.

The brain is like a muscle. If you don't use your brain you lose your brain.

What is file me no remember last week what is email what is command-F I do not know what I did in my life before Windows Recall was invented

 

[chmania]

tech fanatics never fail to surprise or understand basic human biology.

The brain is like a muscle. If you don't use your brain you lose your brain.

Weighing about 3 pounds in the average adult, the brain is about 60% fat. The remaining 40% is a combination of water, protein, carbohydrates and salts. The brain itself is a not a muscle. It contains blood vessels and nerves, including neurons and glial cells. - John Hopkins Medicine

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

Weighing about 3 pounds in the average adult, the brain is about 60% fat. The remaining 40% is a combination of water, protein, carbohydrates and salts. The brain itself is a not a muscle. It contains blood vessels and nerves, including neurons and glial cells. - John Hopkins Medicine

Read my post again. Don't waste people's time.

 

[chmania]

Read my post again. Don't waste people's time.

There's not a single muscle in anyone's brain. The fat in the brain diminishes with age. And, you stop remembering.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

There's not a single muscle in anyone's brain. The fat in the brain diminishes with age. And, you stop remembering.

You refuse to read the post properly.

I feel you are on this forum for malicious reasons only therefore I will ignore you from now. Continue to enjoy what you do.

 

[DeepIn2U]

This is a really bad response to someone who gave you a rational answer to how bad Recall is.

Thanks for completely miss quoting me and editing completely out of context.

My correct posting is here: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...i.2426961/page-17?post=33163567#post-33163567

While I mostly agreed with the first quote, I simply offered my experiences. Secretaries usually do not organize most users itinerary or manage and submitt corporate documents, however they will manage meeting rooms and relay inbound document submissions to corporate staff, emergency mail runs etc. Again from my experience form corporations I've worked at. While executive assistants do a whole lot more akin to that particular conversation in the first quote.

The second quote and response for which I posted and you misquoted was completely o7t if context and was for another person's rebuttal.

 

[chmania]

Apple bets that its giant user base will help it win in AI

At Apple Inc.’s developers conference next month, the company will unveil a different approach to artificial intelligence, focusing on tools that ordinary consumers can use in their daily lives. The idea is to appeal to a user’s practical side — and leave some of the more whiz-bang features to other companies.

Like I said before, Apple will have to come with something quite worthwhile in June, and most probably it will!

A big part of the effort is creating smart recaps. The technology will be able to provide users with summaries of their missed notifications and individual text messages, as well as of web pages, news articles, documents, notes and other forms of media.

 

[Abazigal]

Privacy implications aside (which are not minor, mind you), the whole "recall" feature is the one I think Apple needs to be worried about.

The modern internet and life have shown us that a larger than critical mass of folks only "kind of" cares about their privacy to the extent they'll accept a lesser solution to get it.

The MS Recall feature is the kind of thing literally any level of customer (all the way up and down the skill bar) could find to be a massive game changer and helpful feature to "find stuff" and "fix issues" and rediscover "that thing I was working on last year when we did the house renovation"...etc

tldr

Privacy aside, if a feature is THAT useful -- People will flock to it and no amount of "we protect your privacy!" marketing BS (which is what it partially is) will help save their sales.

Apple needs a feature like Recall ... done however they think it can be done while keeping their privacy ideals in place.

There's also the possibility at we are in the midst of a giant AI hype and it's only a matter a time before we start seeing more backlash to the seemingly indiscriminate theft of content and spreading of misinformation, and people start rejecting it altogether.

I am personally more than a little disappointed that Apple appears to have succumbed to the AI mania by mentioning "AI" every chance they get. However, my expectation is we will see less AI/ML in your face at WWDC than what we have seen from other companies, and it's probably for the better as well. I expect it to be more along the lines of crash / fall detection where they work more subtly in the background, rather than be more "in your face" like chatGPT.

 

[wbeasley]

There's also the possibility at we are in the midst of a giant AI hype and it's only a matter a time before we start seeing more backlash to the seemingly indiscriminate theft of content and spreading of misinformation, and people start rejecting it altogether.

I am personally more than a little disappointed that Apple appears to have succumbed to the AI mania by mentioning "AI" every chance they get. However, my expectation is we will see less AI/ML in your face at WWDC than what we have seen from other companies, and it's probably for the better as well. I expect it to be more along the lines of crash / fall detection where they work more subtly in the background, rather than be more "in your face" like chatGPT.

Yes Apple's take on AI may be vastly different to what others have done.
The fact they have long talked AI as an area of interest they believe will transform society and have implemented some AI already without really calling it AI. The examples you mention of crash detection and falls being perfect examples.

AI that takes the load off people and adds smarts you didnt know you needed.

Siri could do with a lot more smart. Context of what you are doing. Continued conversation threads where previous interactions can be added to without restating the whole request.

"What's the weather like in New York?"
"What's the temperature?"
"How long to get there?

Natural language. With Siri asking you questions too to clarify anything ambiguous.

 

[chmania]

Apple bets that its giant user base will help it win in AI

The big question is whether it really matters that Apple is playing catch-up here. The company has one advantage that few rivals can match: its massive base of users.

There will be hundreds of millions of Apple devices around the world that can support the AI features when they debut later this year. The owners of those devices will probably at least try out the new capabilities (the technology may be integrated tightly enough that people won’t even notice they’re using them). That could turn Apple into the biggest AI player overnight.

Apple can surely achieve most of it, if it won't obsolete older Macs with the new macOS 15, and the next.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

There's also the possibility at we are in the midst of a giant AI hype and it's only a matter a time before we start seeing more backlash to the seemingly indiscriminate theft of content and spreading of misinformation, and people start rejecting it altogether.

I am personally more than a little disappointed that Apple appears to have succumbed to the AI mania by mentioning "AI" every chance they get. However, my expectation is we will see less AI/ML in your face at WWDC than what we have seen from other companies, and it's probably for the better as well. I expect it to be more along the lines of crash / fall detection where they work more subtly in the background, rather than be more "in your face" like chatGPT.

Backlash has been there from the start.

Every AI bro channel on YouTube appears to be older men and many of them showing each other how to generate images of underage looking anime cat girls.

So young people have started calling their AI images ‘boomer art’ and other terms to describe the creepiness.

When you tell young people they will have no jobs and bots will do everything on behalf of rich people then they will attack you and no amount of spyware or living on a yacht will stop them.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

Now you can go from a hot Intel laptop to a hot Snapdragon laptop while having slower per core and GPU performance than an M3.

 

[chmania]

Now you can go from a hot Intel laptop to a hot Snapdragon laptop while having slower per core and GPU performance than an M3.

Not now, but on or after 18th June to test that.
Copilot+ laptops are available in our shops already for prepayment, but will be dispatched on 18th June. And, there's a limit on the amount one can book, for the private buyer.

Apple bets that its giant user base will help it win in AI
Its nice when there's hope.

 

[coolfactor]

Recall looks quality if it works

Recall is taking snapshots of everything being done on the PC. That's gonna end up with a few nasty divorces....

 

[coolfactor]

Yeah, I was just thinking that’s a pretty useful…. Just ask it to show you the website you visited a couple weeks ago… an eggs Benedict recipe…. And then boom! Pops up the page. That would be really nice.

Likewise, the ability to modify photos by targeting the background or foreground sounds amazing…

No way I’m going to switch from macOS to Windows… But it would be awesome if Apple added some cool features like this….

Recall is a giant graph database of snapshots as you use your computer. Basically it's recording and analyzing everything on the screen at any given moment.

Call me crazy, but that's a recipe for disaster if the system gets compromised.

Apple's TimeMachine did that 10 years ago. The only difference is that AI analysis will make for "smarter" searches.

 

[chmania]

Recall is a giant graph database of snapshots as you use your computer. Basically it's recording and analyzing everything on the screen at any given moment. Call me crazy, but that's a recipe for disaster if the system gets compromised.

In the upcoming WWDC, Apple will introduce Smart Recap...

A big part of the effort is creating smart recaps. The technology will be able to provide users with summaries of their missed notifications and individual text messages, as well as of web pages, news articles, documents, notes and other forms of media.

Apple bets that its giant user base will help it win in AI - Gurman

 

[NEPOBABY]

Recall is a giant graph database of snapshots as you use your computer. Basically it's recording and analyzing everything on the screen at any given moment.

Call me crazy, but that's a recipe for disaster if the system gets compromised.

Apple's TimeMachine did that 10 years ago. The only difference is that AI analysis will make for "smarter" searches.

It’s super bad and since Microsoft’s clients include intelligence agencies worldwide dumb dee dumb we know where this bad idea came from.

 

[chmania]

Apple To Launch New AI Features In iOS 18 And macOS 15: Advanced Siri, AI tools & More

Some of the new AI-powered capabilities expected in iOS 18 and macOS 15 include:

• Voice memo transcription
• AI photo retouching
• Faster, more reliable Spotlight searches
• Improved Safari web search
• Suggested replies for emails and texts
• More natural interactions with Siri using Apple’s own large language models
• Advanced Siri on Apple Watch
• AI tools for developers in Xcode
• On-the-fly creation of custom emoji based on user texts
• Smart recaps summarising missed notifications, messages, web pages, articles, and documents

So, Apple is not that far away from MS on AI inclusion to iOS and macOS...

Apple had already released an iPad with powerful AI capabilities.

 

[chmania]

↑
I hope the AI improved Safari web search would come as quickly as possible. Atm, I compensate the lack of that by using Opera's Aria. I like Safari's Favourites page much better than Opera's or Vivaldi's Speed-dial page, for its simplicity, beauty and responsiveness. I hope something like Aria, or better will arrive at Safari. 😊

 

[stinksroundhere]

What...

A...

Security...

Disaster...

Is Microsoft trying to help tech support scammers steal even more billions of dollars from victims?

Recall: Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible.

Photographic memory comes to Windows, and is the biggest security setback in a decade.

medium.com

 

[genexx]

this is the typical "i told you so" situation...

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

What...

A...

Security...

Disaster...

Is Microsoft trying to help tech support scammers steal even more billions of dollars from victims?

Recall: Stealing everything you’ve ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC is now possible.

Photographic memory comes to Windows, and is the biggest security setback in a decade.

medium.com

Just wait and see what Apple is going to anounce on the AI front in a couple of weeks. I don't hold my breath..
I am afraid we'll have to reconsider/re-define the whole concept of privacy and security in the near future (which was already on a slippery slope in the last decade or so). Microsoft is only a sign of the times of (unavoidable) things to come.. and other companies will follow.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

this is the typical "i told you so" situation...

It’s like everyone who was trying to defend Recall in this discussion has missed the last 50 years of computing horror stories, Pegasus, data brokers, scam callers and NSA back doors.

It was bad enough sign that Microsoft named it after a really bad company in Total Recall that screws people’s minds up.

 

[stinksroundhere]

Just wait and see what Apple is going to anounce on the AI front in a couple of weeks. I don't hold my breath..
I am afraid we'll have to reconsider/re-define the whole concept of privacy and security in the near future (which was already on a slippery slope in the last decade or so). Microsoft is only a sign of the times of (unavoidable) things to come.. and other companies will follow.

Apple will not be doing this Microsoft levels of terrible ideas because part of their brand and marketing is that they don't do Microsoft levels of terrible ideas. I'm willing to bet they make some sly digs at Recall at WWDC.