Microsoft demo's Vista/Office on MBP

[thegreatluke]

No, it is a matter of getting what you paid for.

Except the same rarely happens for Mac hardware

Remember the iPod nano scratch problem? A whopping 0.15% were affected! Yet it was all over MR and the news sites like it was a major problem...

People like to whine.

 

[generik]

Remember the iPod nano scratch problem? A whopping 0.15% were affected! Yet it was all over MR and the news sites like it was a major problem...

People like to whine.

How did you derive your 0.15% figures?

You do realise it means less than 2 Nanos are affected for every 1000 Nanos right? Sorry but I don't quite buy it, the Nano was pretty fragile on release.

 

[thegreatluke]

How did you derive your 0.15% figures?

You do realise it means less than 2 Nanos are affected for every 1000 Nanos right? Sorry but I don't quite buy it, the Nano was pretty fragile on release.

I was wrong. The screen illegibility/heavy scratching problems affected 0.1% of iPod nano owners.

Wikipedia's pretty accurate.

PLEASE stop being so critical of Apple and everything else in the world.

 

[Senater Cache]

Not to be a fanboy, it's just I'm sure those companies have the same hardware problems too.

It's just none of their customers whine about it on websites.

Just remember that all of these problems are very rare and are affected by <1% of customers, it's just that Mac users have a forum to whine about their problems in, and people are more likely to note the negative than the positive.

You are right, not every appl eproduct is defective, maybe even only a small margin. BUT I am willing to bet that there are many many more PC forums out there than there are mac forums.

You see PCs do this nifty thing called overclocking, with overclocking at hand (and now being simplified by actual manufacs.) the overpricing of apple computers is at an alltime high.

Think about it, you have a core due and so do I. BUT I can slap that core due right into a desktop board put top end watercooling on it overclock it far beyond what your core duo could ever handle and probably still be at a price point lower than the stock apple.
This will be true for woodrest and conroe (MacPro presumably) as well.

touche

 

[BornAgainMac]

This is wonderful. Soon it'll be "Microsoft recommends genuine Apple hardware for Windows Vista"!!

Excellent. I love that.

 

[Senater Cache]

Excellent. I love that.

yeah genuine apple hardware being:
Intel chip
Intel or ATI NB / SB
Ati GPUs if not integrated
pioneer or w/e drives
hitachi or seagate HDDS
LG or Samsung TFTs
Samsung or w/e ram
realtek audio chips or even ATI
marvell etc. USB/ Firewire /Gbit
Asus mobo PCB
maybe apple actually makes the keyboard, trackpad and battery...doubt it.
...do realze that pre-intel macs were not apple either, but rather IBM (once the pinnacle of PC compatibility, IBM/PC)

ouch


PS: a side note of IBM:
IBM HDDs are incredibly ****** (had all of them fail)
IBM G5 = furnace, mediocre perf, terrible memory
IBM G4 = or was that motorolla? so so, but underpowered, never eclipsing any AMD or Intel of the era
Cell = so far a disatser and broken everywhere
I hate IBM and my G5

 

[generik]

You are right, not every appl eproduct is defective, maybe even only a small margin. BUT I am willing to bet that there are many many more PC forums out there than there are mac forums.

You see PCs do this nifty thing called overclocking, with overclocking at hand (and now being simplified by actual manufacs.) the overpricing of apple computers is at an alltime high.

Think about it, you have a core due and so do I. BUT I can slap that core due right into a desktop board put top end watercooling on it overclock it far beyond what your core duo could ever handle and probably still be at a price point lower than the stock apple.
This will be true for woodrest and conroe (MacPro presumably) as well.

While I am not one who'd (unlike some on this forum) cleanse my hands with holy water before handling Steve's turd and eating it, I certainly don't advocate overclocking.

Nor is it a good comparison. What'd be a valid comparison however would be comparing stock Apples with say, stock Dells. Overclocking is just way too unpredictable and (needless to say) voids your warranty too!

 

[sk3pt1c]

dudes, there's no use fighting
i'm sure each of us has had their own experiences with apple and pc computers.
i've been waiting for countless years to buy an apple computer and i got the last powerpc g4 powerbook and could not be happier
personal experience with windows has been that they are just crap and i just love osX
everyone is entitled to their own opinion,but we have to try to be objective as well
the fact is that on a mac things are much more relaxed, you dont have to save everything ten times a minute fearing a crash, the os is a lot nicer and just works fine and that's that
to me it's just not an argument at all that windows/pc people can "hack" the registry in windows and overclock the processors...
the fact that with a mac you dont have to do these things to make your os/system run smoothly proves a point...
and for an example,i have a friend who was working with digital video on his pc to make a dvd for our paintball team.his computer crashed and he lost his project right before he burnt it.
i on the other hand on this humble g4 did the same thing and probably with lost of gigabytes more (and going from final cut pro to dvd studio pro to compressor to motion to livetype all the time) and didnt worry at all
so that's that for me
the only fear i have is that with the windows-on-mac thingy things are going to deteriorate...
time will tell...

 

[Senater Cache]

LOL
ok....you dont make any point and your "my friend story is stupid"

I also have a friend who has a G4 Powerbook just like you. She loooves it. I mean she smilingly eats Steve jobs' kaka.
Her powerbook crashed for no reason at all. none. unlike some crap home video, she had 2 years of college graphic design work on there. Nedless to say, she failed 3 out of her 4 critical courses. AplleCare couldnt help her with her data and cut every plea for help into a short "send it in".
I tried helping her data, but I couldnt get a hold of a notebook HDD cradle.
She now dislikes apple very much, but her next pc will be a mac. ugh.
touche (LOL)

Your "my friend" post is a stupid as mine and prooves nothing.
so in conclusion, literally both PC and mac hardware fails, probably to a more or less equal percentage too.

Its novice mindset like yours (many apple people have this mindset) of " apple is god, it will never fail" that makes me get so frustrated.
You literally do not think you are in need of a backup unit. Why? because you are incapable of realising that apple computers consist of 80% now 99% PC-like hardware.
Her powerbook's HDD failed, as probably did your friend's. If not the case, then whatever failed in your friend's case, can and will fail in an apple.
Not like Apples QC is any good these days (thinks of MBP quirks and ipod crap)

 

[CanadaRAM]

Unless you buy your copy of windows from a place like Newegg.com which sells OEM copies of Windows.

Microsoft still makes easily 2 x as much selling packaged OEMs to NewEgg vs, selling bundle licenses to Dell in 100,000 volume pricing.

 

[Bern]

Keep to your delusions, I barely use my PC nowadays even. Anyway I fixed that comment for ya.



This comment shows exactly how deep your delusions run, need to see a psychiatrist?

Have you read the comments? There's really no need to be rude and misquote what I said, or are you just adding credence to my actual post by reacting in this way?

 

[generik]

Have you read the comments? There's really no need to be rude and misquote what I said, or are you just adding credence to my actual post by reacting in this way?

No, I am just being realistic, I fail to see how Macs can be using processors that the PC world would barely have heard of just because of Mac OS. If the initial MBP launch has proved anything, it only went to show how eager Apple is out to sell us bottom range processors at twice the price of the competition.

 

[aaron.lee2006]

Coolio congrats to Micro!