Microsoft Enlists Jerry Seinfeld in Ad War Against Apple

[(L)]

I guess you don't have any facts if you insult me just because I disagree with you.
The fact is that I had:
1. iMac G4 that for the most time wouldnt wake up
2. then I bought Powerbook G4 in which slot loading combo drive failed.
3. then I had MDD Powermac G4 Dual. The one that had crazy heating and fan noise issue. That Apple finally acknowledged after 6 month outrage by consumers;
4. then I had Powerbook 12 inch. It's battery has died in two days and I had to get a replacement.
5. then I had PowerMac G5 dual that would shut down all the time because someone at factory put too much grease b/w the processor and heat sink
6. then I have witnessed my colleagues sending back all of their first edition iMac for motherboard replacement;
7. now I have intel iMac 24 inch that crashes everytime I am trying to update my iTunes library.

These are facts. I am not masochistic, my girlfriend is a graphic artist. this is why i have to keep buying this stuff.
I have nicely working and more powerful PC for a fraction of Mac's price for myself.
So please, be reasonable and stop calling names when somebody expresses ones opinion.

I don't care at all for you and whomever's argument -- even though I would side with you if I didn't think this whole thing was juvenile. I just wanted to point out to you that except for #7, all your issues are hardware problems. As for #7, you might find a simple solution if the problem is something like a corrupt file you can delete and have replaced -- you might want to ask around about that on a Mac help site.

To conclude, you have extremely bad luck with Mac hardware, but I wonder if you don't have extremely bad luck with PC software, especially Windows. See, for me Windows doesn't get the job done, so I really couldn't care if the PC box worked or not -- just like if I were to hire an invincible assassin that unfortunately can't kill anyone. I'd rather have one that gets the job done or dies trying.

Lastly, I'm not sure about your not being a masochist. After all, you voluntarily chose to submit to a girlfriend who would put you in such an otherwise masochistic situation. Aren't you still a masochist, if you effectively wish it upon yourself?

In my case, I like to have a serv... I mean, "girlfriend" that pays me to torture her while I look for others that will pay more, withstand more pain, or both.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

These are facts. I am not masochistic, my girlfriend is a graphic artist. this is why i have to keep buying this stuff.

To be fair, your experience is phenomenally uncommon - do you honestly think that people would buying Apples at the current rate if Macs suffered an 80%+ failure rate? of course not. I've had 2 hardware failures with Macs in 15 years, and one of those was the Sony battery recall, which wasn't really Apples' fault.

The only new PC I've ever bought suffered a motherboard failure within 6 months of purchase, but that doesn't make me think PCs are universally junk.

 

[Trajectory]

I see.
Are you suggesting this site is only for people who hates Windows.
Is that all about.
It makes me think that this is why Apple ads hitting home runs with people like you.

All one has to do is look at your posting history so far to see that your comments are meant only to bash Apple products and prop up poor defenseless Microsoft.

 

[lodenmuse]

You know you love me, XO XO...

"Seinfeld" was probably Ballmer's favorite show

OMFG! You are probably right! This is how hip they are!

When they really should be getting the slu+$, stud$ and ho$ from Gossip Girl.

(Hmmm, guess I'm dated though too--I'd buy anything from John Stamos)

 

[whooleytoo]

To be fair, your experience is phenomenally uncommon - do you honestly think that people would buying Apples at the current rate if Macs suffered an 80%+ failure rate?

We've bought 3 MBPs in our office, and have had 4 battery failures and 5 power adaptor failures. What I wouldn't give for a mere 80% failure rate!

 

[mr.light]

We've bought 3 MBPs in our office, and have had 4 battery failures and 5 power adaptor failures. What I wouldn't give for a mere 80% failure rate!

I would say that you are exceedingly unlucky. We run almost 50 iMacs, iBooks, MacBooks and MacBook Pro's. In the past 5 years we have lost 1 hard drive and 3 batteries. Oh and 1 iBook that some one stepped on.

 

[Trajectory]

To be fair, your experience is phenomenally uncommon - do you honestly think that people would buying Apples at the current rate if Macs suffered an 80%+ failure rate? of course not.

It's likely that his story is pure fiction, a common tactic used by those trolling for attention.

 

[CaptainScarlet]

We've bought 3 MBPs in our office, and have had 4 battery failures and 5 power adaptor failures. What I wouldn't give for a mere 80% failure rate!

We have 34 MBP in deployment, 3 battery replacements.

We have 42 MP in deployment, 3 hard drive replacements.

We have 154 Dell's Desktops in deployment, 110 motherboard replacements.

We have 54 Dell and Toshiba Laptops in Deployment, 14 replacements.


Our Mac farm rocks...

 

[o9ski]

I don't care at all for you and whomever's argument -- even though I would side with you if I didn't think this whole thing was juvenile. I just wanted to point out to you that except for #7, all your issues are hardware problems. As for #7, you might find a simple solution if the problem is something like a corrupt file you can delete and have replaced -- you might want to ask around about that on a Mac help site.

To conclude, you have extremely bad luck with Mac hardware, but I wonder if you don't have extremely bad luck with PC software, especially Windows. See, for me Windows doesn't get the job done, so I really couldn't care if the PC box worked or not -- just like if I were to hire an invincible assassin that unfortunately can't kill anyone. I'd rather have one that gets the job done or dies trying.

Lastly, I'm not sure about your not being a masochist. After all, you voluntarily chose to submit to a girlfriend who would put you in such an otherwise masochistic situation. Aren't you still a masochist, if you effectively wish it upon yourself?

In my case, I like to have a serv... I mean, "girlfriend" that pays me to torture her while I look for others that will pay more, withstand more pain, or both.

I am pretty good with Macs and PCs (IMHO) and is capable of fixing some software issues by cleaning prefs and verifying permissions (or just simply running ONYX).
However, this just proves that macs DO have problems that mac bashes Windows for in their ads.
Let's just be reasonable.

In term of Vista. Have you tried running Leopard on PowerMac G3?
People who have problems with Vista try to run it either old or on $300 PC.
Vista runs very well on $1500+ machine.

About masochistic. I just love my girlfriend. In addition, I know how to deal with mac issues too.

 

[ohbrilliance]

An indicator of character, perhaps?

Macs are computers, PCs are computers. One is a helluva lot better than the other, but at the end of the day, they're still computers. It's not something philosphical or religious and nothing to get your knickers in a knot about when ten million big ones are on the line.

 

[lodenmuse]

An OS can't get no respect...

You're probably right, and there's probably more dead ones that would have refused, but I doubt any of the current crop would think twice.

OMG, This thread is the best thing in my day! I hear voices in my head:

Jackie Mason: "HI! I'm a MAC!"
Rodney Dangerfield: "And I'M A PC!"

Justin Long: "Hi... I'm a Mac."
ALF: "AND I'M A PC!"

 

[o9ski]

It's likely that his story is pure fiction, a common tactic used by those trolling for attention.

Well, I guess you could check my ebay history and see all macs I sold before moving to another one.
I am not saying that macs are bad. They are not flawless as you guys claim.
They have their problems, too.

 

[(L)]

If Apple stuff was so good thay could have talked about it's good sides, not bash PC. I know negative advertising works, but having both PC and iMsc I know that my iMac freezes all the time and fans spin like helicopter.

Prove me wrong with facts not by your pro-apple religious emotions.

I just... don't have as much emotion regarding my tools as you do, but I couldn't help commenting because this one was funny too.

Anyway, what I found funny was your comment that iMac fans spin like helicopter. I don't mean to make fun of your English skills. It's funny because:

(1) Helicopters don't typically spin. If one was spinning above your house, you should run away! A helicopter's blades do spin, of course, when it is off the ground.
(2) Anything that spins spins like anything else that spins. This is tautologically true by definition of "spin." Helicopter blades spin like fans, and fans spin like tops, and tops spin like revolving doors at high speed, so on. Did you expect the fan not to spin? Maybe you should get your PC fans checked, then.

So if the fan spins like a helicopter, or walks like a treadmill, or jumps like a trampoline, yes, you are right, your Mac is broken and Apple should have made better fans. But if your complaint is that the fan actually does spin, good! That's what's supposed to happen!

 

[whooleytoo]

Yeah, I've no doubt our failure rate is unusual, but it's funny all the machines having the same problems, even though they were from very different batches.

- bulging batteries (battery recalled)
- random shutdowns (before recall, and now again recently)
- Fraying & melting through cable near Magsafe connector
- Failure of wallsocket to power adaptor cable.

 

[Trajectory]

Well, I guess you could check my ebay history and see all macs I sold before moving to another one.

Sure, let's see it! Post the link.

 

[o9ski]

I would say that you are exceedingly unlucky. We run almost 50 iMacs, iBooks, MacBooks and MacBook Pro's. In the past 5 years we have lost 1 hard drive and 3 batteries. Oh and 1 iBook that some one stepped on.

I think you are very lucky. iMac were notorious for falures.
How about spots on displays on Powermacs? How about ecsessive heating in MacBook Pros.
Check discussion board about all that thermal paste problems and heating.
Are you supposed to be getting it for $2500 machine.
Maybe for $500.

Sure, let's see it! Post the link.

I need to sell my PowerMac G5 dual first. It's being auctioned as we speak.
Do not want ot get a bad rep. Mac fans are very sensitive.
Just bought iMac 24 inch for replacement.

I just... don't have as much emotion regarding my tools as you do, but I couldn't help commenting because this one was funny too.

Anyway, what I found funny was your comment that iMac fans spin like helicopter. I don't mean to make fun of your English skills. It's funny because:

(1) Helicopters don't typically spin. If one was spinning above your house, you should run away! A helicopter's blades do spin, of course, when it is off the ground.
(2) Anything that spins spins like anything else that spins. This is tautologically true by definition of "spin." Helicopter blades spin like fans, and fans spin like tops, and tops spin like revolving doors at high speed, so on. Did you expect the fan not to spin? Maybe you should get your PC fans checked, then.

So if the fan spins like a helicopter, or walks like a treadmill, or jumps like a trampoline, yes, you are right, your Mac is broken and Apple should have made better fans. But if your complaint is that the fan actually does spin, good! That's what's supposed to happen!

I am sorry. You are right. I learned English when I was 26.


That Power Mac G4 dual MDD was sold about 3 years ago. The issue was power supply fans. Apple was forced to recall.
Still I had to pay 29 for shipping. At the end it was still spinning and humming like things that spin and hum.

 

[Trajectory]

Just bought iMac 24 inch for replacement.

Why do you keep buying Macs if you hate them so much and claim they always break on you? Wouldn't you be happier with a Windows PC?

 

[corinhorn]

What I find funny:

Bill Gates who once said "Television is not real life—in real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs" is going to be on television with a comedian who's sitcom had the characters sitting around in a coffee shop. And the comedian is a Mac user.

 

[rumplestiltskin]

Seinfeld...great...as lame as Gates. This should be priceless YouTube fodder.

There's nothing that can help Microsoft. It's on deathwatch.

 

[(L)]

I am pretty good with Macs and PCs (IMHO) and is capable of fixing some software issues by cleaning prefs and verifying permissions (or just simply running ONYX).
However, this just proves that macs DO have problems that mac bashes Windows for in their ads.
Let's just be reasonable.

In term of Vista. Have you tried running Leopard on PowerMac G3?
People who have problems with Vista try to run it either old or on $300 PC.
Vista runs very well on $1500+ machine.

About masochistic. I just love my girlfriend. In addition, I know how to deal with mac issues too.

I uhhh... you might have me confused with some other guy. I have absolutely no interest in running Vista, which is worse than XP, and consequently, I don't need you to sell me on that idea. At least, I'm not drunk enough for it right now. But, as a matter of fact, both Mac OS X and Vista represent computing requiring more and more hardware (like RAM) rather than just making things really snappier. Fancy visuals are nice, but they should be limited by, rather than require more, hardware upgrades.

About your masochism -- love and masochism are not mutually exclusive. Most masochists do or bear things out of love. It is rare, but EXCITING! to find a person who just likes to suffer for the sake of suffering.

Well, I guess you could check my ebay history and see all macs I sold before moving to another one.
I am not saying that macs are bad. They are not flawless as you guys claim.
They have their problems, too.

Not everybody on MacRumors is a fanboy. Macs have tons of problems, but they do usually just work. Windows has more problems and is rude and obnoxious even when it does work. You might disagree on which is worse, depending on matters of taste and matters of not understanding what it means to be better. At any rate, I dare say I have higher standards than you, or any fanboy for that matter, because to me the question is which one is less of a failure against my standards.

Windows FAILS, Macs FAIL, Ballmer's an UNSIGHTLY FAILURE, Seinfeld FAILS, you FAIL, your girlfriend FAILS, masochism DOES OKAY, I FAIL, we ALL FAIL for the gold at the FAILIMPICS.

 

[deannnnn]

Jerry always had Apple computers in his apartment on Seinfeld

 

[NuMan]

How about all the people who are dropping Vista and going back to XP, how are they going to blame that on Apple's ad campaign?

I agree. So if they do come up with some great ads that create 5 million more Vista users, that will make 5 million more people cursing their computers and Vista every day, and remembering the two comics that convinced them to buy Vista. There is also the possibility that many of the 5 million new users might then switch to Macs.

I think the $10-300 million would be better spent fixing Vista.

 

[o9ski]

Why do you keep buying Macs if you hate them so much and claim they always break on you? Wouldn't you be happier with a Windows PC?

I did not say I hate them.
I said they also break. Am I wrong here?
And it is not right to compare $2500 ac to $300 PC.
Take Alienware (which design I don't like).

 

[skottichan]

I wasn't saying it was the greatest movie ever (I didn't see it) nor the most successful, I was just pointing out it wasn't the flop that some of the folks in this thread seem to be suggesting it was...

And it made well over $100 million domestically. Again, not a blockbuster, but certainly a success.

Yes, well over.

"As of July 6, 2008, it has grossed $126,631,277 domestically"

and it cost $150 million to make. Huge success.


Personally, I can't get worked up one way or the other over this ad campaign. So he is/was a Mac user doing a windows commercial, big deal. I buy what I like, not what some talking head tells me to, and after working for Microsoft for 6 years, and as a PC techgirl for 15, I rather enjoy my Intel iMac and my G4 iBook, I didn't need the Mac v PC commercials to tell me this.

I uhhh... you might have me confused with some other guy. I have absolutely no interest in running Vista, which is worse than XP, and consequently, I don't need you to sell me on that idea. At least, I'm not drunk enough for it right now. But, as a matter of fact, both Mac OS X and Vista represent computing requiring more and more hardware (like RAM) rather than just making things really snappier. Fancy visuals are nice, but they should be limited by, rather than require more, hardware upgrades.

About your masochism -- love and masochism are not mutually exclusive. Most masochists do or bear things out of love. It is rare, but EXCITING! to find a person who just likes to suffer for the sake of suffering.



Not everybody on MacRumors is a fanboy. Macs have tons of problems, but they do usually just work. Windows has more problems and is rude and obnoxious even when it does work. You might disagree on which is worse, depending on matters of taste and matters of not understanding what it means to be better. At any rate, I dare say I have higher standards than you, or any fanboy for that matter, because to me the question is which one is less of a failure against my standards.

Windows FAILS, Macs FAIL, Ballmer's an UNSIGHTLY FAILURE, Seinfeld FAILS, you FAIL, your girlfriend FAILS, masochism DOES OKAY, I FAIL, we ALL FAIL for the gold at the FAILIMPICS.

HAHAHA!!! I agree with every single word you've said.

 

[(L)]

I am sorry. You are right. I learned English when I was 26.


That Power Mac G4 dual MDD was sold about 3 years ago. The issue was power supply fans. Apple was forced to recall.
Still I had to pay 29 for shipping. At the end it was still spinning and humming like things that spin and hum.

Yeah, you know, Apple (and almost every other company) makes me ticked off when they make me pay for their problems. I've actually never had to pay Apple for injury (they replaced my battery for free once), but I know they sometimes choose to add insult to injury. Not with MobileMe, apparently, though.

{EDIT} By the way, spinning and humming are also normal symptoms of a working fan. I think you mean you can hear it loudly, but that's problematic since it means you can hear it well, which is good because to ventilate and to cool it needs to be that way. If a fan is running but you can't hear it, the fan's too small, the construction is too closed, and so on. I totally agree that it's bothersome, but I actually think Windows fans (esp on laptops) are louder and more obnoxious. What's more, that's good, since that means they're working better.