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Outlook on the Mac is a piece of trash. Apple Mail and iCal are aeons better IMHO.
Well you may be right, I was comparing my current work environment which is MS to my home environment which is Apple. I have never used outlook on a Mac because, as I stated, in my personal life I use iworks, pretty much exclusively, including mail/calendar.
 
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Not a good use of resources. The Office suite for Mac still lacks many features of the Windows version. Don't worry about the touch bar that can be used on only two models. Take care of the most important needs first.
 
When are they going to update Outlook to leverage features that have been available for years. Simple things like being able to delete/reply to a notification pop-up. Being able to right click the dock icon and creating a new message. I'm not very optimistic that they'll get touchbar done right when the basics have been ignored for so long.
 
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To date I would say the following for work,

Word is better than pages
Excel is better than numbers
Outlook is better than mail/calendar
Keynote is better than PowerPoint

For personal use it easier to use iWorks since I don't need the added ms bloat.

so far I still prefer Outlook over any other mail client, but I still hate the mac version of Outlook.
 
Being able to set-up all my frequently used Excel functions and shortcuts on the touch bar, which are otherwise 6 or more clicks away and buried in layers of ribbon menu, will be awesome.

You can establish shortcuts for that using any computer.

For such application (work), productivity is what matters.

Do you think the keynote demonstration showed a great product? It MIGHT be thanks to developers ingenuity but we never know.

Those personal 3D printers are here for many years and even today there us no "killer feature". Same for VR. Have you seen Facebook keynote showing Oculus? Pure Gimmick.
VR might thrive due to porn and maybe gaming. But we might wait many, many years till that "killer game"appears.


Even if you leave the top bar alone, Apple released very expensive laptops.
MacBook 12' from $1300 and those MBP from $1800 (if I'm correct).

Apple might continue to make billions with iPhones, iPads, services, etc but I don't think they're going to sell many MacBooks. The MacBook air was the best selling one. Today, that model is outdated and not having retina display...
 
Well you may be right, I was comparing my current work environment which is MS to my home environment which is Apple. I have never used outlook on a Mac because, as I stated, in my personal life I use iworks, pretty much exclusively, including mail/calendar.

It sounded in your original comment that you were comparing the MICROS~1 version of their Mac software to the Apple counterparts. I haven't used Windows productivity apps so couldn't comment on their relative merits compared to Mac versions other than to say Outlook on Windows can't be as bad as Outlook on Mac.
 
I seriously doubt anyone paying their own way in the real world can justify the new macbook pros ludicrous prices just to run MS Office.
 
Sorry bud, I don't do fanboy. I was just giving my two cents regarding Apple's inclusion of MS Office in it's presentation. It's a business decision, plain and simple.

I don't "do fanboy" either - bud. Stated it was my personal opinion, not the kool-aid talking.
 
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c) Press CTRL + C/V/B/I/U etc... without needing to look down from screen or locating and having to move the mouse - unless it is of course a more specific activity.
Unless you're like me and never passed typing class in 7th Grade....

35 years old and I still hunt, peck, and rely way too much on auto-correct, lol.
 
Being able to set-up all my frequently used Excel functions and shortcuts on the touch bar, which are otherwise 6 or more clicks away and buried in layers of ribbon menu, will be awesome.

You should have those frequently-used functions reduced to hot key combinations (either built into Excel or custom).
 
In Excel the F keys are incredibly useful:
F1: Help
F2: EDIT
F4: Fix cells
F5: Go to.

So, adding a button to start a formula (from what is seen in the picture) is useless.

The MacBook Pro is turning into the less Pro of all Macs.

Enjoy your emoji toolbar.

But can't you just choose to display the Fn keys instead?
 
So are we losing keyboard shortcuts? Cause I figured any seasoned user would know those already…
 
I have always think office should be a separate company. Right now MICROSOFT has a monopoly. But that is just imo.

And then this "office company" would have the monopoly on office applications instead? How would that be an improvement for anybody?

Besides -- Microsoft Office is so much more than just the collection of desktop applications. The real power lies in the server back-ends: Exchange, Sharepoint and the countless other enterprise-grade solutions that they have that most people use without even knowing it.
 
I'm really into the touch bar, but I think the best implementations will not replace keys. For example, I think most people know the keyboard shortcuts for bold, italic, and underline, so those don't need to be on the bar. On the other hand, it would be awesome if the touchbar remembered my most recently used controls. For example, if I'm switching the text color between black and red a lot in Word, the touch bar could show swatches for those colors. Basically, just make the touchbar the most recent and/or the most used controls.

I think this will give indie developers an advantage because they're most likely to try new ways to use the touch bar.
 
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Just having to look down (keyboard) and back to the screen is a step backwards.

I will never understand this complaint. It is such a modest workflow change and is so much smarter than a touch screen, which is annoying beyond belief to me for multiple reasons e.g. finger prints on my screen, making the much more cumbersome move from the keyboard to the screen then back down again. A Touch Bar is a demonstrably simpler, more efficient move as your hands are already on the keyboard.

And calling this a step backward is absurd. You've taken a static physical key set - which, from what I've read, you can still set the Touch Bar up to be if you like - and given it dynamic functionality. You don't have to like it, but conceptually it is a logical step forward not backwards. It is undeniably a richer experience.

The only question I have about this is the actual implementation from Apple. I am hoping they allow you to turn off or blunt certain functions (e.g. emojis, which I could care less about and I agree compromise the "Pro" image from a marketing standpoint). If Apple over-anticipates and pushes things on me, I won't care for that. But even then, theoretically one can just ignore it the same way you do the physical function keys now.

Overall, I think this is a smart move by Apple. It acknowledges the desire for the dynamic touch experience we are all now use to and enjoy, while maintaining respect for the real differences between using a touch device and a traditional computer.
 
This is one of the cleverest ideas to ever come out of Apple... really thinking outside the box.

I wonder how long it will be before the Touch Bar technology is available in stand-alone keyboards and available to work with any desktop Mac?
 
I will never understand this complaint. It is such a modest workflow change and is so much smarter than a touch screen, which is annoying beyond belief to me for multiple reasons e.g. finger prints on my screen, making the much more cumbersome move from the keyboard to the screen then back down again. A Touch Bar is a demonstrably simpler, more efficient move as your hands are already on the keyboard.

And calling this a step backward is absurd. You've taken a static physical key set - which, from what I've read, you can still set the Touch Bar up to be if you like - and given it dynamic functionality. You don't have to like it, but conceptually it is a logical step forward not backwards. It is undeniably a richer experience.

The only question I have about this is the actual implementation from Apple. I am hoping they allow you to turn off or blunt certain functions (e.g. emojis, which I could care less about and I agree compromise the "Pro" image from a marketing standpoint). If Apple over-anticipates and pushes things on me, I won't care for that. But even then, theoretically one can just ignore it the same way you do the physical function keys now.

Overall, I think this is a smart move by Apple. It acknowledges the desire for the dynamic touch experience we are all now use to and enjoy, while maintaining respect for the real differences between using a touch device and a traditional computer.

Let me show you something:
Having to move your eyes from one area to another, you end up losing what's between.
As an example, count the lines below only using your eyes:
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It doesn't have to be that close distance. Magicians employ that concept for slight of hand moves.


So if you have to constantly look down (and away from the screen) and then back to the screen, you "get lost" which is a usability problem.

So I continue to think that this top-bar is a gimmick. It's there as a marketing tool. Form over function. It's making the MBP more expensive and occupying space that could be used for battery (like its actually happening to the model without that top-bar).

Apple is expecting developers come out with a solution (killer app).

In a tablet or Smartphone, you're constantly looking at the screen.
 
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In Excel the F keys are incredibly useful:
F1: Help
F2: EDIT
F4: Fix cells
F5: Go to.

So, adding a button to start a formula (from what is seen in the picture) is useless.

The MacBook Pro is turning into the less Pro of all Macs.

Enjoy your emoji toolbar.

This argument does not make a lot of sense to me. You can summon function keys in the TouchBar.

If Microsoft's Mac division maps the actual commands for those tasks into the TouchBar, and the other commands still work for non-TouchBar Macs...what's it to you if you're not going to buy a new MacBook Pro?

I know the answer, but I thought I would still ask.
 
This argument does not make a lot of sense to me. You can summon function keys in the TouchBar.

If Microsoft's Mac division maps the actual commands for those tasks into the TouchBar, and the other commands still work for non-TouchBar Macs...what's it to you if you're not going to buy a new MacBook Pro?

I know the answer, but I thought I would still ask.

Being able to use those commands in Excel is a deal breaker for me, particularly at the price point these laptops have.

Removing the function keys, just to use emojis or putting text in bold is absurd.

Cheers,
 
Let me show you something:
Having to move your eyes from one area to another, you end up losing what's between.
As an example, count the lines below only using your eyes:
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It doesn't have to be that close distance. Magicians employ that concept for slight of hand moves.

So if you have to constantly look down (and away from the screen) and then back to the screen, you "get lost" which is a usability problem.

Let's be clear about what we are discussing here, which is not a touch bar in isolation. We are considering it as opposed to a touch enabled screen, which is the alternative Apple should supposedly have chosen. So even if I cede your point that there are aspects of a touch bar which may have usabilty issues, I think a touch enabled screen has greater obstacles to usablity: finger prints on the screen, which is an aesthetic blight, and a much more cumbersome move from keyboard to screen then back to keyboard. On a laptop it would be annoying; on a desktop, a complete pain.

So I continue to think that this top-bar is a gimmick. It's there as a marketing tool. Form over function. It's making the MBP more expensive and occupying space that could be used for battery (like its actually happening to the model without that top-bar).

While there are aspects of this I definitely find gimmicky (emojis for a "Pro" device?), I do not believe this is wholly a marketing ploy. I believe Apple has wisely chosen a hybrid approach which offers the pluses of a touch experience while respecting the meaningful differences between a laptop and a tablet. And as to the touch bar making the MBP more expensive, do you really believe a touch enabled screen would be less expensive? I think that's highly improbable. I can't say if a touch screen would impact battery life more than the physical loss of space the touch bar requires, but my guess is it would be impactful.

Apple is expecting developers come out with a solution (killer app).

Um, well, yeah. I don't understand how this is a bad expectation and I don't see how it would be any different with a touch screen.

In a tablet or Smartphone, you're constantly looking at the screen.

Right, and your entire interaction with those devices is on the screen. This is demonstrably not the case with a computer where the history of its erogonmic choices have been proven over time. Trying to force the two erogonomic workflows together is a mistake for general use (I'll admit there are industries where it would have its uses, but we are discussing the general market, not submarkets). And if you have any doubt about this argument, have a look at MS with their years long campaign to shoehorn touch into PCs. People are litterally not buying it. Yet they continue to try to push the two together and they lag the Apple in a massive way in terms of adoption. The desktop computer segment is lagging generally and touch screens on PC have not changed this.

In the end, neither of us know what will win out. This article pretty much addresses the current state of things:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/27/13443914/the-new-mac-vs-pc-war-is-all-about-touch

I think Apple's approach is better, obviously. Time will tell.
 
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A lot of useless commands.

I wonder if the normal F keys are present... you know, like F2 to search the formula and F9 to get the values?
F2 is the PC shortcut. On the Mac it is ctrl+u.

Terrible keyboard shortcuts on Office Mac are the #1 reason I use a PC for work. My company gave me the choice and I chose an HP EliteBook 820 (quite a piece of cr***y hardware, but lightweight) over a Macbook Pro.
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In Excel the F keys are incredibly useful:
F1: Help
F2: EDIT
F4: Fix cells
F5: Go to.

So, adding a button to start a formula (from what is seen in the picture) is useless.

The MacBook Pro is turning into the less Pro of all Macs.

Enjoy your emoji toolbar.
Your F keys shortcuts are PC-only, I'm afraid... not that it helps the case of the Mac... but Excel on a Mac is and has long been a terrible version compared to its PC equivalent. It's like MS want us to buy Windows PCs. Wait...
 
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Being able to use those commands in Excel is a deal breaker for me, particularly at the price point these laptops have.

Removing the function keys, just to use emojis or putting text in bold is absurd.

Cheers,

But if you run Excel for windows (as I do) on your Mac (aka, the version with the fn key functionality), the touch bar will display the function keys anyway! As someone who uses Excel every day, I could not live without F2 (edit cell) and F4 (absolute reference), but the touch bar will not affect this.
 
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