Using the stats window in Netflix (ctrl + shift + option + D), Edge is giving me 720p video. I'm using a skylake iMac, if that makes a difference.
Youtube works in 4k though.
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Microsoft Launches Beta Version of Microsoft Edge Browser for Windows and macOS
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Youtube works in 4k though.
Weird... The version I already have installed (78.0.244.0) is newer than the one on that link (77.0.235.9).
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My team maintains a 10,000+ users network. Everyone uses Edge, no crashes or odd issues.
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Then your IT Department sux.
My team maintains a 10,000+ users network. Everyone uses Edge, no crashes or odd issues.
Exactly, just one IT guy, small business, he's not that good.
Oh, how I wish Macs would be in use (Ubiquitous) by businesses instead of Windows, what an enormous savings would that be, saving on IT, environment, frustration, no stupid (Windows) notifications (Error 0X1ad34 or some other nonsense).
It all depends on the software needed and any dependency to a specific technology may make it difficult to make the switch.
Macs are becoming easier to manage on a network, and Edge is going to make Microsoft technology available to Mac Users. So the gap is closing, who knows if in the near future your wish comes true.
Edge (this new iteration of it) is a rebranded Chromium with some adjustments and additions. “Microsoft technology” is pushing it.
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You’re currently on the Canary channel, which has newer but less stable builds compared to Beta. That’s why.
Wait. Does this mean they are brining the IE11 engine over to Mac? I don't want to get unnecessarily excited, but this would be big for testing during web development. My guess is that it's something far more dull than that, but can anyone shed some light on this?
I've used Edge since Windows 10 and while it hasn't been 100% for everything I do at home and work, it has worked fine for most of the part. I do think it was a smart idea for Microsoft to adopt an open standard and I will continue to Edge once it has switched to Chromium. I refuse to ever use the big brother web browser. Firefox is my secondary. I use Safari on iOS devices, but I think it could use some work.
This is only an educated guess, but: no, it probably doesn't mean that — it's probably simply an embedded IE web view, making it effectively Windows-only.
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Yup. It's marked as a Windows-specific feature.
Unless they want to build either Wine or some VM into the Mac version of Edge (which may not be worth it, as IE-only sites aren't even that common, with an obvious downwards trend), it will likely stay that way.
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This is a different Edge... your work computer wouldn't have it.
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Anyone that wants a better version of Chrome, stripped of all Google garbage in ways Brave dreamt of accomplishing. Maybe Brave will shift over to Edge's version of things though, who knows.
Allow me to explain...
Firstly, have you ever developed a website? And by "developed a website"; I do not mean "fiddled with a bit of dreadful WordPress code", or written the occasional "CSS style", I mean; "built, from the ground up, a fully bespoke, professionally designed, and professionally engineered website"? Well I have been doing it for 17+ years, and as such, have earned my position as a senior engineer, technical consultant, and product strategist at arguably the most reputable and respected community of engineers on the planet.
Before you jump to the conclusion that I am an "Apple Fanatic" that hates Microsoft and can see no evil as far as Apple is concerned, this would be completely false. I use both My Macbook Pro, and my Windows desktop for development everyday and I love both - they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Not to mention, as much as I love Apple, they have made some decisions over recent years that I firmly believe would make Mr Jobs turn in his grave...
However... I did spend a very good portion of my career working at a company that specialises in .NET development, and works entirely off a Microsoft stack (for everything i.e. Azure, Skype, Windows etc...). In addition to this, I have also worked with numerous engineers that currently, and previously, work(ed) at Microsoft. Every single one of these engineers (excluding one naive idiot) has one key thing in common, they all firmly believe that the quality of engineering at Microsoft has gone significantly downhill over recent years. In fact, several of these engineers specifically left Microsoft because they were fed up of working with, and managing, incompetent colleagues.
I can even give a classic example to back this up... Last year, the heads of department for Skype decided to have a meeting to discuss why Skype was losing so many users and why their product was so buggy. They very stupidly decided to have this meeting using their own software... Lo and behold, it took over 45 minutes to get the meeting started because they couldn't get Skype for Business to work. This is probably why Microsoft have announced that they are dropping support for Skype for Business - if only they would drop Skype as well... Or, rebuild it from the ground up using professional designers and engineers...
Just to re-iterate, I am not a "Microsoft Hater"; there are various sectors within Microsoft that I have astronomical respect and gratitude for. For example, in my opinion, Microsoft Exchange is unquestionably the best email service on the planet, by a very long way!
As a generalised statement, Microsoft has two key problems a) most, if not all, of their designers have quite literally no understanding of user experience, and b) a large portion of their engineers should not be allowed to write code, ever again!
So... after all that, what is it that makes Microsoft Edge so rubbish? Well, personally, I would actually rephrase that to "What actually makes Microsoft Edge any good" but for the purposes of clarity, I will expand a little further...
You referred to the 'IE days' implying that Microsoft Edge is better than IE... Drawing a website by hand, then emailing a scan, on request would be "better than IE" so this is hardly an achievement... Internet Explorer was, without question, the most painful and depressing part of web development for the past 15+ years. Any web developer with any experience whatsoever will agree with this statement... Unless, of course, they are one of the people that built it...
I could probably write a book on this so instead, I will limit myself to one example per topic:
User Experience: Ever downloaded a file on Edge? I did the other day and it took me 10 seconds to realise that it had suceeded and there was some tiny notification at the bottom of my screen. 10 seconds to notice something in user experience terms is an absolute embarassment to the design industry!
Performance: I am yet to find a website that performs better in Edge than in Chrome/Firefox. Not to mention, have you noticed how long it takes to open Edge??? And that is with background processes intended to speed it up...
Development: Much like IE, Edge is still behind. They may have migrated to webkit but I can list at least ten modern CSS features that are available across all modern browsers, but are not present, or do not work correctly, in the current version of Edge. Despite being announced and confirmed years ago...
Bugs: Again, I can list several bugs in Edge. This would be forgiveable as bugs a simply just a part of development, however, there is one particular bug that was reported in 2015 (I think, it might have been 2016), it was acknowledged by Microsoft, and still, they are yet to fix it. In the meantime, I have to write browser specific code just to make something that works in every other browser flawlessly, work in Edge. This feels just like the old days of IE...
Pros: There is one thing I do like about Edge. I can't remember exactly what it was, but I was using the "Inspect Element" developer window the other day and I found something that was brilliant that neither Chrome nor Firefox offered. At the moment, this is the only positive thing I can say about Edge...
I appreciate you are probably an "Edge Lover", or more to the point, a "Chrome/Google Hater", but quite simply, these are hard facts.
By the way, and just to be clear, I am by no means a "Google Lover", in fact, I adamently despise Android. But, as an engineer, I use the tool that best caters to my needs at any given time, and ensures I can work as efficiently as possible. Like it or hate it, in my circumstances, this is Google Chrome. I am always open to having my mind changed, which is why I will frequently test out other browsers (aside from when I am testing my websites) to see if they are more suited than they were before. In addition, I will happily use Edge as my development browser in the future if they eventually develop a product that is superior to it's competitors, but today is not that day, evidenced by the stats on the following page:
https://gs.statcounter.com/
Bear in mind that a huge number of people that use Edge only use it because it's the default on Windows, and they are not even aware of what a browser is...
This is the setup that makes me happy, too.
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I really wanted to be able to use Brave more consistently. I appreciate their ethos.
Microsoft collects just as much user data as google, especially if you use Windows 10.
No sir. This Edge is Chrome-based. It uses the same rendering engine Chrome does. If you want to test your website on Trident (or Trident Lite, AKA EdgeHTML), you'll still need to be using Windows.
I'm running the Dev version at work (on Windows). Does anyone know how to "switch" to the beta? It installs side-by-side and the option to import your settings doesn't list Edge as one of the source browsers.
Users unfortunately only care what's best for them, so I don't see how this is an honest argument that Chrome is "worse." I hate what Google does with Chrome, I hate even more that they do it under the guise of furthering the open web standards, but the only reason I use Safari is it works better for me. It's getting even better now that Google is kneecapping adblockers.
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No, its Chrome in disguise on Mac, with whatever little slurpy surprises Google likes to bury in its software replaced by whatever little slurpy surprises Microsoft likes to bury in its software.
...but as a browser its nothing like the dumpster fire on the site of the wreck of a train carrying 1000 barrels of worms that is IE (spit). Which is nice. (NB: if you've only used the old Mac version of IE that was the standard before Safari you haven't lived the full horror...
Not sure everybody here has got the back story: MS Edge was Microsoft's new, proprietary fast, standards-compliant browser engine to replace Internet Explorer (spit). It failed - anybody not tied into IE (spit) by some ancient corporate website had already shifted to Chrome. So MS are now in the process of replacing Edge on Windows with a "new" Edge that is basically Chromium in a Microsoft skin. That's how MS have gone from announcement to beta in a few months and (because its now based on cross-platform Chromium code) why we've suddenly got a Mac version.
Are you sure that they need Edge rather than IE? Unfortunately, its not certain that the Mac version of new, chromium-based Edge will support IE-only (or original-Edge-only) sites. Note even sure about "new Edge" for Windows in that respect (I've tried that and it really does feel like a lightly re-skinned Chrome)
I suspect that there will be very, very few websites that work on Edge for Mac but don't work on Chrome or Chromium, so don't throw away that copy of Parallels just yet.
Actually - no - this new version of Edge marks the demise of Microsoft's proprietary, Windows-only EdgeHTML engine in favour of the open-source Chromium.
...and I'd rather have a root canal filling than a wisdom tooth extraction, but its a close-run thing. At least Google support an open-source version of their engine and Other Chromium-Based Browsers Are Available.
I think you have a case of #C21E56-tinted spectacles there. Soon after the web "took off" it was dancing to Netscape's (effectively proprietary) tune, then it was dancing to Microsoft's tune (in red-hot iron shoes) and the actual W3C standards were never ratified until long after they were irrelevant. The current situation is far from perfect, but the fact that Google is not only bothering to push stuff through W3C and is maintaining an open-source implementation is worlds better than the old way.
One of the problems with the W3C of old is that they seemed to subscribe to the totally impractical notion that you can write "pure" standards without simultaneously developing and testing a reference implementation. The result... well, have you ever tried to use CSS (especially its earlier incarnations)?
It will not.
Indeed, it will only stream in 720p.
Microsoft doesn't appear to be porting the DRM system it uses on Windows Edge (MS PlayReady) to the Mac, they're just licensing Google Widevine. And hence it gets exactly the same streams as Chrome.
Great response, however I am not and "Edge lover", and not talking about the Edge browser that ships with Windows 10 (Webkit based).
I'm talking about the new Chromium based version, which is what this article is all about.
I am a regular user fo Chrome on MacOS. I don't use Windows regularly anymore. Outside of a few proprietary apps hosted on a Windows Server or a Win10VM, everything I work on is running on an RHEL 7 server or my MacBook Pro.
I keep a copy of Windows 10 running in a VirtualBox VM to test app compatibility, but still use a Chrome browser there as well.
IE and Edge (Windows 10 version) just don't cut it.
Same applies to Safari. Not a fan of it either.
Having a Google free version of a Chrome browser is a good thing. Now we need to see what sneaky garbage MicroSoft put in and weigh the risks.