Wow, no offense, but what I'm hearing is "Office 365 finally does what Microsoft software shoulda been doing all along."
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Microsoft Launches Office 365 Subscriptions Alongside Office 2013, But Macs Still Stuck on Office 2011
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Wow, no offense, but what I'm hearing is "Office 365 finally does what Microsoft software shoulda been doing all along."
I know that article, and I disagree with it for the same reasons I've mentioned. What that article actually says is that people are less forgiving to software that doesn't have a great first impression because software has become more competitive and people tend to be invested less in your app.
The software market becoming more competitive isn't a surprise - it's only natural when you've got a single digital storefront for nearly half a billion iOS users around the globe! First impressions have always been important - if your app isn't matching the expectations of users, you'll be ignored.
People put up with all kinds of crap interfaces in the PC days were software was $40, as the article harkens to. Today, people are less forgiving about that stuff because there's an enormous marketplace full of potentially better alternatives.
I've noticed the low price of this software prompt people in to buying apps, but even then most people I know primarily download free apps. They're still very cautious about paying cash money (even a dollar) for an app, and not one of them has ever just binned it casually saying "oh well, it was only a dollar. I won't even give it a chance."
If you think it's bad on iOS, don't try Android! I bought a Galaxy Nexus instead of an iPhone 4S because it was cheaper and so I figured it was better value.
I'm constantly browsing the Play store and I think the last thing I downloaded was in October. It's just full of junk. Worse junk than you get on iOS. Weed growing simulators and wallpapers of girls in bikinis. It's a teenager's version of the AppStore (even then, a teenager that hasn't discovered porn or actually smoking weed but just giggles at the idea of them).
This is the flaw in the logic.
How does a universe full of cheap crap on the AppStore make Apple's hardware "more differentiated" in any positive way? (as if their big problem is they are perceived too same-ish!).
In contrast, wouldn't an array of high-quality apps make Apple's hardware more differentiated in a positive way? Consider that Apple's hardware is the only hardware that can run these apps, due to them being written for iOS.
Apple doesn't care what the actual price of apps are; it has no specific policy to make all apps free (although I wouldn't put that kind of thing past Google) or some magic price it wants to batter all apps down to. So long as there is a marketplace that promotes and gives rise to high quality (and preferably exclusive, or at least exclusively high quality) apps on the iOS platform.
Also, Apple definitely know the value of having people pay for content. They've been struggling against cheaper or free alternatives since the 80s. They're not going to devalue app developers content. They can't devalue app developers content. Only the developers themselves can do that.
X2 here. Google Drive is the best. And second paragraph = Yep. Agreed 100%. Even though I'm a programmer, spent over a decade in the IT industry, I REALLY like having all my files available everywhere without having to sync, worry about hard drives, etc... I get a lot of flack from fellow programmers/IT people tho.
The best part for me was the last time I got a new computer. Since all my documents, photos and music are now cloud synced, All i did was install my favorite browser and 90% of what I use my computer for was already at my finger tips.
Would any of you care to expand on why XL/Mac is worse than XL/Win? Other than having the analysis tool-pack ripped out, that is.
I've compared XL2011 with XL2010, and it's far less frustrating when formatting graphs. My only concern is that the most feature-packed stats plug-in (Analyse-it) is Windows only. Which would mean running Windows on my Mac, and presumably leaving it open to rape'n'pillage by all the scumware out there. Or going back to the virus update rigmorale that I thought I'd left behind years ago
No, that's Office 2013.That's Office 2010 you're showing, not 2011.
Is there no preference to change the default save to local drive? I will not rely on internet connections during document creation/editing. That's just asking for trouble.
NO you are misinformed. That was PC, This was a late promotion, the deal for mac users meant if you buy Office 2011 it comes with a years subscription to Office 365.
Read my sig. There is no forthcoming Office for Mac version anytime remotely soon. Office 365 is the likely future of the mac product.
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Gee, no buggy bloatware for a while. I'm devastated.
I've got versions from 98, 01, 04 and 08 and I haven't seen anything meaningfully improve (Wow, more clip art!). I'd buy 11, but WHY? It still runs at the same leisurely pace it did decades ago no matter how much processing power or RAM you throw at it, and cut and paste one lousy cell and poof, it's like 1980.
It's a word processor, a spreadsheet and electronic ambien, and I'm pretty sure a thousand years from now they will blame the downfall of Western Civilization on it (if anybody misses Western Civilization at that point).
P.S. No, I won't subscribe.
I've got versions from 98, 01, 04 and 08 and I haven't seen anything meaningfully improve (Wow, more clip art!). I'd buy 11, but WHY? It still runs at the same leisurely pace it did decades ago no matter how much processing power or RAM you throw at it, and cut and paste one lousy cell and poof, it's like 1980.
It's a word processor, a spreadsheet and electronic ambien, and I'm pretty sure a thousand years from now they will blame the downfall of Western Civilization on it (if anybody misses Western Civilization at that point).
P.S. No, I won't subscribe.
so dull to discuss MS Office.
unless Outlook can send .gif's directly in the body without having to share from Word i'm not interested.
unless Outlook can send .gif's directly in the body without having to share from Word i'm not interested.
Because you can't do the things that you can do with a databases. I used to get paid a lot of money to figure out how to get people spreadsheets in to databases, so you could use them as data...
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Excel = spreadsheets. Database = data. Put your data it in a database in a database first, then export it out for your spreadsheet. Most of the time you are going to need to do something more with it then make a pretty report. Once it a pretty report, it can take hours to make it in to data when you realize you need to do something else with the data.
I disagree. Any android or iOS tablet is useless for word processing.
It's a nightmare to select, cut, paste, or exploit the features of any decent word processor.
You would need something like the microsoft surface pro, which is as much a laptop as it is a tablet.
I've been wondering this and since you develop on both maybe you can answer.
Why is it that 95% of the time when an app is available for iOS and for Android that the iOS one is of higher quality? Does it have to do with the APIs? If so why makes the iOS APIs better than the android ones?
Word is irritating to use, to say the least. Pages though. I use it mostly on term papers with a lot of graphs and other graphics. Pages is far better at this, both creating them in the document and correctly import them from elsewhere.
Office has so much bloat, **** i don't need.
The only thing i would like from office is Excel, as sometimes i find need for more advanced features, macros and pivot tables. Get this in Numbers and i'm golden.
But i can see that a lot of people need some of the features only office delivers, and i feel for them, having to use those programs on a daily basis.... I'd consider suicide.
Office has so much bloat, **** i don't need.
The only thing i would like from office is Excel, as sometimes i find need for more advanced features, macros and pivot tables. Get this in Numbers and i'm golden.
But i can see that a lot of people need some of the features only office delivers, and i feel for them, having to use those programs on a daily basis.... I'd consider suicide.
I thought the issue was that Apple would want their usual 30% cut, and that was why it was delayed. Or so says the rumor.
Bingo. Need animation. If you'd bothered reading my original post, you'd have understood that. If I wanted static slides, there are obviously a thousand ways to do that, as you so thoughtfully pointed out.
Why does exporting as PPT not work for you then? On the few occasions I've been forced to use animations it's always worked fine for me.
I can buy office home and student for $80 at most places, maybe even cheaper if i looked around. I have 2010 and while it looks different, there's nothing on it I couldn't do that Office 2003 couldn't do.
So why would I pay yearly for something? Seems like a big rip off!
Don't need support for 5 users. I'm all alone
So why would I pay yearly for something? Seems like a big rip off!
Don't need support for 5 users. I'm all alone
You could always just pay $9.99 for a full version from Microsoft directly if your email is within their list of edu's and businesses... It's worth a shot. Great for students
http://www.microsofthup.com/hupus/home.aspx?dialect_id=en-US&country_id=US
This is well and good (and I use it too) but it's not really a direct comparison. The reason you pay just $9.99 for the full version under the HUP (which stands for Home Use Program) is because your school or workplace is paying for your right to use the software. Technically should you stop being a student/employee of whatever institution you used to get the software, you'd have to give up using it.
You said it right there: on the few occasions. You don't use animation much, so you don't see how some Keynote animations and transitions work OK, some get translated into crappy PPT analogs, and some just get mangled or omitted, necessitating a whole lot of extra work. You're doing the kind of Keynotes that translate well into PPT and that's great for you — but don't assume that works for everyone, and you don't need to talk down to others, yeah? Cool.
Yeah, Apple totally dropped the ball with Numbers/Excel. That's the sole reason why I still use MS Excel on my mac!
Otherwise, Pages and Keynote have replaced Word and Powerpoint respectively.
Can you say Equation Editor?
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As I posted over at CNET, this is just M$$$oft's strategy at countering piracy. It's easy enough for the average consumer to pick up a pirated copy of a DVD somewhere (particularly here in Asia) but exponentially difficult for them to be able to 'pirate' online services (think Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 offline servers).
Microsoft is taking the first steps in seeing if people would be suckers to trust them with their online storage. If enough of a majority are indeed dumb enough, then MS will eventually move Office to the cloud entirely, FORCING people there.
Then they can really rake in the cash, bye bye pirated Office.
But then again, that's when the party starts and hackers start stealing people's data and documents.
So in the end everyone is happy -- hackers gain access to data potentially worth big bucks and MS rakes in the collective cash of the world (particularly Asia) from Office.
Oh wait... forgot about the consumers...
Then give us Mac users Access for goodness sakes. Filemaker Pro is nice and all, but it's not part of a suite.
It's a bit rich to hear complaints about a change that makes Microsoft more profit on Macrumors. Isn't the crux of the Android/iPhone debate that the Android sales advantage is moot because profits! Or that the 30% cut for the Appstore is fine, because, again.. profits! So I guess the appropriateness of profitability here depends on whether Apple or some other corporation is making them?
As for value for money, Office 365 is fine if you're a multiple or frequent upgrader and user more office products. If you have to use Office, 11 isn't working for you, and there isn't a non-subscription version available for Mac, just get the PC version and use it on your Mac or PC. Consider it the Microsoft version of the iOS walled garden.
As for why you might not want/need Office... I guess you indeed might not, but there are many ways that most of the Office apps are best in class. E.G. Revision management in Word or Pivots in Excel. Office is way more customizable, and the core applications have full macro languages. The programmatic control is really important for a lot of corporations, and is just more complete in MS Office. Everything that can be programmatically exposed is.
So, yeah, you might balk at paying $100 for Office. You probably don't use the truly advanced features of Office and can get by with something less capable like Numbers or Pages... and that's okay. I'm not a particular fan of subscription services either, but another purchase option is always welcome IMO
As for value for money, Office 365 is fine if you're a multiple or frequent upgrader and user more office products. If you have to use Office, 11 isn't working for you, and there isn't a non-subscription version available for Mac, just get the PC version and use it on your Mac or PC. Consider it the Microsoft version of the iOS walled garden.
As for why you might not want/need Office... I guess you indeed might not, but there are many ways that most of the Office apps are best in class. E.G. Revision management in Word or Pivots in Excel. Office is way more customizable, and the core applications have full macro languages. The programmatic control is really important for a lot of corporations, and is just more complete in MS Office. Everything that can be programmatically exposed is.
So, yeah, you might balk at paying $100 for Office. You probably don't use the truly advanced features of Office and can get by with something less capable like Numbers or Pages... and that's okay. I'm not a particular fan of subscription services either, but another purchase option is always welcome IMO
Does it crash faster now?
I know I'll end up buying it anyway, just to avoid subscribing to those crooks.